Testing. Testing.

Osama Bin Laden.

Catcher In the Rye
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Everyone says it was the Joos and Bush who brought down the towers... don't buy the hype. It was the Mexicans.

/They're takin' our inside jerbs!

If the NSA were a person, I'd pay to see him get assraped.

...that ought to get this thread off to a good start

madmann: Everyone says it was the Joos and Bush who brought down the towers... don't buy the hype. It was the Mexicans.

/They're takin' our inside jerbs!

That made me chuckle. Let's get INS involved in this too.

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Tr0mBoNe: madmann: Everyone says it was the Joos and Bush who brought down the towers... don't buy the hype. It was the Mexicans.

/They're takin' our inside jerbs!

That made me chuckle. Let's get INS involved in this too.

Down with the IRS!

Don't forget the Rothschilds!

Cool, now let's see a Salon article about how "al Qaeda" (the Base) was actually a computer database used to keep track of rebel "Freedom Fighters" who were capable of effectively organizing and leading armed resistance against the Soviet occupiers. The guys we funneled arms and training to.

HowlingFrog: Cool, now let's see a Salon article about how "al Qaeda" (the Base) was actually a computer database used to keep track of rebel "Freedom Fighters" who were capable of effectively organizing and leading armed resistance against the Soviet occupiers. The guys we funneled arms and training to.

Nope, Crab People.

Tr0mBoNe: HowlingFrog: Cool, now let's see a Salon article about how "al Qaeda" (the Base) was actually a computer database used to keep track of rebel "Freedom Fighters" who were capable of effectively organizing and leading armed resistance against the Soviet occupiers. The guys we funneled arms and training to.

Nope, Crab People.

The Crab People do not exist, and have never existed. Expect a visit from our offices shortly.

this is how the author of TFA got his information

Democracy Now, lul.

And as usual, these concerns are ridiculously overblown. The Constitution allows for Probable Cause. We more than have it. Our enemies are determined to set up terror cells in this country.

And what's more, there is nothing illegal about these operations. They will justify hundreds perhaps thousands of decisions that will prove crucial to this country's survival.

burndtdan: this is how the author of TFA got his information

He got the NOC list?

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Centro, CICAP, MIR, Belknap, Tac, rebels, BLU-97 A/B, 007, nowhere.ch,
bronze, Rubin, Arnett, BLU, SIGS, VHF, Recon, peapod, PA598D28, Spall, dort,
50MZ, 11Emc Choe, SATCOMA, UHF, The Hague, SHF, ASIO, SASP, WANK, Colonel,
domestic disruption, 5ESS, smuggle, Z-200, 15kg, DUVDEVAN, RFX, nitrate,
OIR, Pretoria, M-14, enigma, Bletchley Park, Clandestine, NSO, nkvd, argus,
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ie.org, cospo.osis.gov, Police, Dateline, Tyrell, KMI, 1ee, Pod, 9705
Samford Road, 20755-6000, sniper, PPS, ASIS, ASLET, TSCM, Security
Consulting, M-x spook, Z-150T, Steak Knife, High Security, Security
Evaluation, Electronic Surveillance, MI-17, ISR, NSAS, Counterterrorism,
real, spies, IWO, eavesdropping, debugging, CCSS, interception, COCOT,
NACSI, rhost, rhosts, ASO, SETA, Amherst, Broadside, Capricorn, NAVCM,
Gamma, Gorizont, Guppy, NSS, rita, ISSO, submiss, ASDIC, .tc, 2EME REP, FID,
7NL SBS, tekka, captain, 226, .45, nonac, .li, Tony Poe, MJ-12, JASON,
Society, Hmong, Majic, evil, zipgun, tax, bootleg, warez, TRV, ERV,
rednoise, mindwar, nailbomb, VLF, ULF, Paperclip, Chatter, MKULTRA, MKDELTA,
Bluebird, MKNAOMI, White Yankee, MKSEARCH, 355 ML, Adriatic, Goldman,
Ionosphere, Mole, Keyhole, NABS, Kilderkin, Artichoke, Badger, Emerson,
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B.D.M., Sphinx, Stephanie, Reflection, S ...

This

Remember kids: "The Whitehouse will burn to the ground!" is illegal to say unless you are quoting some British troops from 1812.

Tr0mBoNe: HowlingFrog: Cool, now let's see a Salon article about how "al Qaeda" (the Base) was actually a computer database used to keep track of rebel "Freedom Fighters" who were capable of effectively organizing and leading armed resistance against the Soviet occupiers. The guys we funneled arms and training to.

Nope, Crab Pod People.

Shhh!

SOMEONE GET IN THERE AND TYPE "LUCIUS FOX" QUICKLY

QUICKLY!

skookum: Our enemies are determined to set up terror cells in this country.

As well as detention centers. We should finally stop voting for these bastards.

Again, if you are not actually engaging in criminal activity, none of these intelligence-gathering mechanisms will affect you. But don't let me get in the way of your appeasing the enemy by exposing our vulnerabilities. Another attack is becoming more and more likely, and the timing of our elections is too much to ignore. There simply has to be a system like this that is able to process some of the more pressing and complex possibilities.

skookum: WHARRGARBL

WHARRGARBL

skookum: Again, if you are not actually engaging in criminal activity, none of these intelligence-gathering mechanisms will affect you. But don't let me get in the way of your appeasing the enemy by exposing our vulnerabilities. Another attack is becoming more and more likely, and the timing of our elections is too much to ignore. There simply has to be a system like this that is able to process some of the more pressing and complex possibilities.

What're you trying to say, skooks?

The reason why the Democratic controlled congress has done nothing about these abuses of power by the Republican controlled White House but roll over & look the other way is:

They want to have the power to spy on you too.

It's just better for them that Bush initiated this, so that they look like the good guys by comparison. So in a few years when Obama is embroiled in some sort of domestic spying scandal, his people can point back in time and say "but, but, but Bush!"

Remember kids, history shows that Republicans are the ones who open up new abuses, then Democrats come in, consolidate them and make them an accepted part of the system.

skookum: 2008-07-26 01:10:29 AM
skookum: 2008-07-26 01:27:29 AM

So, what, about 15 minutes is as long as you're willing to leave a troll out there before you start threadshiatting again trying to get bites? And you're breaking out all the greatest hits in this one. "Appeasing the enemy", "If you've got nothing to hide..."

I remember when trolls had patience.

And this is the new cute little trick the left here at Fark feel the need to employ: pretend their opponent is uttering garbled sounds instead of arguments they are unable to address.

I'm simply pointing out that You can no longer ignore these warnings as some "Republican White Noise Machine" anymore. McCain knows this, and will use any means to make the necessary strides in the War on Terror. This is why Obama has no chance of winning, not unless he drops his tinsel-town "socialist" stances and pledges to continue needed policy.

And yes, it is very likely our enemies will attack close to Election Day, and this is why this database most likely exists.

skookum: Another attack is becoming more and more likely, and the timing of our elections is too much to ignore.

What's Unca Dick gonna whip together for us this time? My bet's on a shipping container in a harbor.

skookum: Again, if you are not actually engaging in criminal activity, none of these intelligence-gathering mechanisms will affect you. But don't let me get in the way of your appeasing the enemy by exposing our vulnerabilities. Another attack is becoming more and more likely, and the timing of our elections is too much to ignore. There simply has to be a system like this that is able to process some of the more pressing and complex possibilities.

Actually no. Pretty much everything sent over fiber in the US (and most of the world) is at least scanned by the NSA. Most of it isn't recorded but most all of it is scanned for keywords.

So is this the Saturday night "hit the obvious, hollow troll with a stick until candy comes out" thread?

bberg: skookum: 2008-07-26 01:10:29 AM
skookum: 2008-07-26 01:27:29 AM

So, what, about 15 minutes is as long as you're willing to leave a troll out there before you start threadshiatting again trying to get bites? And you're breaking out all the greatest hits in this one. "Appeasing the enemy", "If you've got nothing to hide..."

I remember when trolls had patience.

He has patience. He's just got his own style. He spews bullshiat constantly, but doesn't hit critical mass until he's set up for it or the thread gets really slow.

Watch. The motherfarker will show up again, spouting more shiat. Somebody will reply. They will mock him, and he will take it seriously.

At least Bevets has a sense of dignity and humor sometimes. skookum has the sense of humor of Hitler in a temple, as well as the sociopathic tendencies. He will never lighten up. He will always troll, and Fark will suffer for it until his internet connection goes down.

Gah, Saturday morning. Thank you, third shift, for my complete divorce from time, date, and day.

skookum: "Republican White Noise Machine"

A sprinkler?

/WHARRGARBL

EmperorTippy: Most of it isn't recorded but most all of it is scanned for keywords.

The only thing that worries me about their spying is summed up in this quote from Brave New World:

"The greater a man's talents, the greater his power to lead astray. It is better that one should suffer than that many should be corrupted. Consider the matter dispassionately, Mr. Foster, and you will see that no offense is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior. Murder kills only the individual-and, after all, what is an individual?"

Eeeeek there's a terrorist in my soup!

IRONIC MINIMALIST: skookum has the sense of humor of Hitler in a temple, as well as the sociopathic tendencies.

skooks is one of the few Farkers on my favorites list.

/of course, that's just an attempt to get better treatment at the detention center

And I know I'm getting somewhere when the conversation is Godwinned. I love the irony that it's one of the serious more uptight posters who actually ends up comparing my style to Nazism.

The truth is that we tried it your way liberals for far too long, even when Republicans supposedly controlled both houses of Congress with a Republican President. Your shrill smug, politically-correct lack of tolerance always ends up surfacing, and short-circuits into absolute delicious Godwinning. It never fails. I wonder what the odds are if we allowed other Farkers to place bets?

But digression aside, you can gnash your teeth and cry "Nazi" all you like. This country is safe and potential terrorists are being weeded out despite your efforts to help them with your constant railing against current policy.

Occam's Chainsaw: So is this the Saturday night "hit the obvious, hollow troll with a stick until candy comes out" thread?

yeah sure why not

HowlingFrog: IRONIC MINIMALIST: skookum has the sense of humor of Hitler in a temple, as well as the sociopathic tendencies.

skooks is one of the few Farkers on my favorites list.

/of course, that's just an attempt to get better treatment at the detention center

Honestly, I wrote that last post in an attempt to get on that list. "All the cool kids are going to camp, Mom! I wanna go too!"

Occam's Chainsaw: So is this the Saturday night "hit the obvious, hollow troll with a stick until candy comes out" thread?

Don't bother. The candy that comes out has razor blades in it, and the troll likes being hit. It reminds it of home.

skookum: And I know I'm getting somewhere when the conversation is Godwinned.

You're getting mocked.

I love the irony that it's one of the serious more uptight posters who actually ends up comparing my style to Nazism.

"Serious uptight poster"? I'm taking that as a compliment.

The truth is that we tried it your way liberals for far too long, even when Republicans supposedly controlled both houses of Congress with a Republican President. Your shrill smug, politically-correct lack of tolerance always ends up surfacing, and short-circuits into absolute delicious Godwinning. It never fails. I wonder what the odds are if we allowed other Farkers to place bets?

Counting irony, 5:4. Only counting serious comparisons, 8:1. That's my guess.

But digression aside, you can gnash your teeth and cry "Nazi" all you like.

*gnashes teeth* NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI

This country is safe and potential terrorists are being weeded out despite your efforts to help them with your constant railing against current policy.

I bought the magic rock that keeps terrorists away! I'm helping as much as the Bush Administration has!

Can I go to the detention center yet? If your unsubstantiated claims come true, I'd rather be surrounded by my peers in that place than have everything but my mind free outside of it.

And it's obvious this thread has rapidly deteriorated with liberal-jaded cynicism.

Occam's Chainsaw: So is this the Saturday night "hit the obvious, hollow troll with a stick until candy comes out" thread?

There is nothing "hollow" or "obvious" about my posts. These are warnings, and judging from your rather smug calibre, are very much directed at you. You are precisely the kind of liberal that will be singled out and marginalized when the coming reforms sweep this country. But you actually still have a chance, but only if you solidly get on board with this current policy. Completely. And if you associate with anyone who spews the kind of liberal rhetoric found here, I urge you to shout them down, especially if they are anyone you care about. They'll thank you later. And this is coming soon, very soon.

IRONIC MINIMALIST:

You're feeding it. STOP.

skookum: Garbling of the Wharr variety...

Not that this is a huge indicator or anything, but I've just noticed a trend that any story about this administration doing something ridiculous/unconstitutional/moronic/etc that skookum jumps in on, is usually at least somewhat on the ball. Which isn't to say that the whole "detention centers for us evil liberals" thing is true, I'm just saying that he usually shows up to defend the crap that's more or less accurately described in the accompanying article.

/hey, I actually got on the "fark liberals to watch/report/whatever" list, how cute.
//WHARRGARBL

I've got the perfect keyword list here:

TERI SMITH TYLER, Plaintiff,

v.

JAMES CARTER, WILLIAM CLINTON, ROSS PEROT,
AMERICAN CYANAMID, IRON MOUNTAIN SECURITY CORPORATION, DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, IBM,
DAVID ROCKERFELLER, ROCKERFELLER FUND,
BCCI, NASA, Defendants.

92 Civ. 8658 (CSH)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

Filed November 5, 1993
Decided November 5, 1993

-----

Teri Smith Tyler, Pro Se.

MARY JO WHITE, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, 100 Church Street, New York, NY 10007.

Attorneys for Defendants President Clinton, Defense Intelligence Agency and National Aeronautics and Space Administration, William J. Hoffman, Esq., Assistant United States Attorney.

MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER

HAIGHT, District Judge:

This case is before the Court on a motion to dismiss by defendants President Clinton, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (the "Federal defendants"). Plaintiff has also filed an order to show cause why the World Trade Center Bombing Trial should not be enjoined. For the reasons set forth below, plaintiff's order to show cause is denied, and the Clerk of the Court is directed to dismiss the complaint.

BACKGROUND

Plaintiff Teri Smith Tyler, appearing pro se, filed a complaint in December 1992 alleging a bizarre conspiracy involving the defendants to enslave and oppress certain segments of our society. Plaintiff contends she is a cyborg, and that she received most of the information which forms the basis for her complaint, through "proteus", which I read to be some silent, telepathic form of communication. See complaint, at 1, and Affidavit accompanying November 1993 Order to Show Cause. She asserts that the defendants are involved in the "Iron Mountain Plan", which provides for the reinstitutionalization of slavery and "bloodsports" (which she identifies as death-hunting1 and witch-hunting), and the oppression of political dissidents, herself included. Plaintiff's complaint alleges a number of personal indignities visited upon her by defendants: "strafing of my dormitory room by planes and helicopters, the electronic bugging of my student rooms and apartments, deliberate noise harassment, blasting of loud rock music with lyrics designed for witch-hunts (music about social pariahs) . . . students following me around to prevent me from studying, whispering campaigns and social ostrification . . ." Complaint, at 1-2. Plaintiff also makes the following allegations against the defendants. Former President Jimmy Carter was the secret head of the Ku Klux Klan; Bill Clinton is the biological son of Jimmy Carter; President Clinton and Ross Perot have made fortunes in the death-hunting industry, and are responsible for the murder of at least 10 million black women in concentration camps, their bodies sold for meat and their skin turned into leather products. The defendants are also responsible for breeding farms, which turn out 2,000 black girls a year, who are then sold for recreational murder or as human pets. Additionally, the defendants utilize weather control and earthquake technology to threaten other countries that object to the Iron Mountain plan.

Plaintiff asks the Court to grant her the following relief:

1. $ 5.6 billion in compensatory and punitive damages;

2. A physical accounting of all black women born since 1940, including their present whereabouts, and for those who have died, an investigation into how they died;

3. The purchase of land in Africa for the emigration of abused black women;

4. The bringing to justice of those responsible for the American holocaust;

5. An investigation into the foster care system, and a physical accounting of all black children placed into foster care;

6. An end to slavery in the United States;

7. The end of the cyborg program run by NASA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, American Cyanimid and IBM;

8. An end to the organ-donor program.

While plaintiff was trying to effect proper service of the summons and complaint on the defendants, she made a number of appeals to the Court for interim relief in the form of Orders to Show Cause. On January 20, 1993, she asked the Court to enjoin the inauguration of President Clinton. The Court denied her request as moot. In August, 1993, she moved to enjoin the installation of Louis Freeh as Director of the FBI on the ground that Clinton appointed Freeh only so Freeh could cover up evidence of Clinton's wrongdoing. That motion was denied, as it lacked a sufficient evidentiary basis.

Presently before the Court is an Order to Show Cause why the Court should not enjoin the trial in the World Trade Center bombing case, now proceeding in this Court before Judge Duffy. Plaintiff alleges that President Clinton ordered the bombing of the World Trade Center in order to justify war with Iraq. In support of her application, plaintiff describes certain "proteus" communications she had with other individuals. Plaintiff alleges that the United States invaded Panama and arrested General Noriega because Noriega objected to United States soldiers raiding Indian tribes in Central America for child sex slaves to torture in American cocaine based thrill-killing rackets. Plaintiff contends she wrote to Noriega asking him to join in her lawsuit, but that United States soldiers holding Noriega beat him when he asked for his mail.

Plaintiff asserts that in 1988, Rajiv Ghandi spoke to her through "proteus" and informed her that he was being held prisoner and sexually abused by a man whom he had caught stealing from the funds generated by the Bhopal disaster settlement. According to plaintiff, Yasser Arafat tried to confirm Ghandi's tale of abuse on behalf of the plaintiff, to no avail.

Plaintiff additionally contends that Gulf War against Iraq was undertaken so that America could restock its sexual slavery camps, which had been depleted. According to plaintiff, 40,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by the United States, selected for their physical attractiveness, have been brought to this country where they were "being beaten, forced to run gauntlets and homosexually gang-raped by American soldiers." Plaintiff claims to have confronted Secretary of Defense Cheney with evidence of this allegation. Cheney, through "proteus", purportedly told the plaintiff, "Well, we were so sick and tired of killing black girls. We just had to put some variety back into our death-hunting industry. And they (Persians) are incredibly beautiful. The beauty of the face heightens the pleasure of the kill. I know of no higher pleasure than the gang-rape of exceedingly beautiful people."

Additionally, plaintiff alleges that the Serbian government, the "Nazi Bund", the Bank of Commerce and Credit International ("BCCI") are also involved in the conspiracy.

Attached to plaintiff's papers, and apparently offered to support her claim, are a number of exhibits. Most prominent among the exhibits is a book by Robert Ellis Smith entitled Privacy: How to Protect What's Left of It (1979), and a four page illustrated pamphlet advertising pornographic movies starring young men. Plaintiff has circled a number of photos of naked men who appear to be of Mediterranean or Latin American descent, which I interpret as her evidence that Iraqi and Central American men are enslaved in pornographic "rackets".

Plaintiff appears to have effected service on few of the named defendants. Although IBM and BCCI each made an appearance (and successfully moved to have the claims against them dismissed), plaintiff never filed proof of service against either defendant pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 4(g). Service was eventually made against the Federal Defendants, but it may have been effected more than 120 days after filing. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 4(j).

IBM's motion to dismiss the complaint against it was granted by Order dated September 29, 1993. That same order dismissed the claims against BCCI, to the extent they could be asserted against the Superintendent who was supervising the dissolution of BCCI. Currently pending before the Court is a motion to dismiss by the remaining defendants, and the Order to Show Cause to enjoin the World Trade Center bombing trial.

DISCUSSION

In Neitzke v. Williams, 490 U.S. 319, 104 L. Ed. 2d 338, 109 S. Ct. 1827(1989), a state prisoner commenced a federal action by filing a motion to proceed in forma pauperis and a complaint under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 charging prison officials with violating his constitutional rights. The in forma pauperis statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1915(d), authorizes courts to dismiss an in forma pauperis claim if, inter alia, the action is "frivolous." The district court dismissed the complaint sua sponte as frivolous under § 1915(d) on the ground that it failed to state a claim upon which relief could be granted under Rule 12(b)(6) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The Seventh Circuit reversed. The Supreme Court affirmed the court of appeals. It held that "a complaint filed in forma pauperis is not automatically frivolous within the meaning of § 1915(d) because it fails to state a claim." Id. at 331.

The Court in Neitzke contrasted the judicial screening process available under the in forma pauperis statute with cases where the plaintiff pays the filing fees. Section 1915(d) screening reflects, the Court stated, congressional recognition "that a litigant whose filing fees and court costs are assumed by the public, unlike a paying litigant, lacks an economic incentive to refrain from filing frivolous, malicious, or repetitive lawsuits." Id. at 324. A complaint filed by a fee-paying litigant subject to economic incentives can be dismissed under Rule 12(b)(6), but in such a case, the Court stated, Rule 12(b)(6) "does not countenance . . . dismissals based on a judge's disbelief of a complaint's factual allegations. District judges looking to dismiss claims on such grounds must look elsewhere for legal support." Id. at 327 (footnote omitted). But the Court left open the question whether a district judge could ever dismiss a complaint sua sponte under Rule 12(b)(6). Id. at 329 n.8 ("We have no occasion to pass judgment, however, on the permissible scope, if any, of sua sponte dismissals under Rule 12(b)(6).").

Among the factual claims subject to § 1915(d) dismissal as frivolous "are claims describing fantastic or delusional scenarios, claims with which federal district judges are all too familiar." Id. at 328. The claims of plaintiff at bar may be so characterized. The question is whether such claims asserted by a fee-paying plaintiff are subject to sua sponte dismissal by a district court under Rule 12(b)(6). I hold that they are.

A plaintiff asserting fantastic or delusional claims should not, by payment of a filing fee, obtain a license to consume limited judicial resources and put defendants to effort and expense. The policies arguing against sua sponte Rule 12(b)(6) dismissals do not apply in these circumstances. The author of claims as irrational as these cannot be regarded as subject to the economic incentive to refrain from frivolous actions imposed by filing fees and court costs upon rational paying litigants. Similarly, a sua sponte dismissal of a complaint such as this cannot reasonably be said to deprive such a plaintiff of the opportunity of "clarifying his factual allegations so as to conform with the requirements of a valid legal cause of action." Neitzke at 329-30. If this Court cannot order sua sponte dismissal of this complaint under Rule 12(b)(6), no district court can ever dismiss sua sponte any complaint under the Rule.2 I do not think that is the law.

The Clerk of the Court is directed to dismiss the complaint as to all defendants with prejudice and without costs. The Clerk is directed to refund to plaintiff her filing fee. Plaintiff's motion by Order to Show Cause to enjoin the World Trade Center bombing trial is denied.

It is SO ORDERED.

Dated: New York, New York

November 5, 1993

Charles S. Haight, Jr., United States District Judge

1 Death-hunting is described by plaintiff as follows: "In death-hunting, teams of pimps and harriers (women working for pimps) follow a black woman they want to force into sexual slavery and snuff rackets, try to wreck her employment prospects, isolate her socially, break her up with friends and family, often they try to force her onto welfare because it often circumscribes her choice of places to live. Sometimes members of a woman's family or her mate will be cooperative or part of death-hunting teams because participants get paid." Complaint, at 4.

2 Although the Federal defendants have moved to dismiss citing Rule 12(b)(6), I am dismissing this case sua sponte. Granting the Federal defendants' motion to dismiss would affect claims against only those defendants. Because I am acting sua sponte, the dismissal is effective as to all of the defendants.

bberg: IRONIC MINIMALIST:

You're feeding it. STOP.

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IRONIC MINIMALIST: bberg: IRONIC MINIMALIST:

You're feeding it. STOP.

Right. Right. I want on that damn list, but I got selfish trying to get there. I'll go somewhere else. Sorry about that.

All you've gotta do is ask him. Seriously, that's all I did. I asked if I could be on the list, and bam, next day I was on it. It's a pretty easy club to get into, really...