Shred the Bush-Cheney paper trail before the trial?

Look, I don't like to get political. This year has pissed me off because I can't even watch news stations anymore, every other story is about Obama or Hillary or McCain or Colbert or...

But even though I'm not political (heck I'm not even sure I'm registered to vote), I have to say that not capturing Bin Laden was one of the biggest goofs of the Bush administration.

I mean if the guy supposedly went after us and was behind the deaths of more than 3,500 of our citizens, and we were promised his capture, where the hell is he now?

Is this going to be another hostage incident? Bush leaves office, someone else comes in, Osama is captured the next day?

Bush has had lots of screw-ups. Nobody denies that except Bush. But leaving out Bin Laden after seven years and not going after the anthrax mailer have been two of his biggest mistakes.

/rant off

(that being said, would I watch the smuggled cell phone video of Bin Laden's hanging as I did Hussein's? Probably.)

Tabatha Static: Shred the Bush-Cheney paper trail before the trial?

Drown him with entitlements?

McCain gave the correct answer, Obama just happened to go on record with the correct answer first. Amazingly enough, election rules don't include a clause awarding points to the first person to buzz in. Non-story.

Now if either candidate says that they would investigate the current administration for criminal behavior up to and potentially including international war crimes, and would be willing to try any administration official in the Hague if applicable, that would be a story.

/Unfortunately, right now, it'd be filed in the fiction section.

Thread's done, guys. Party Boy pancaked it in the Boobies.

I mean "water board", not drown.

McCain promises some sort of tribunal for putting OBL on trial, but is having a difficult time talking about how he's going to find OBL in the first place. And wow, a tribunal! You're such a maverick, McCain! With great ideas! Here we were just going to put him on a plane to Tahiti!

And then go ahead, CNN, and give McCain ample space to backtrack on the fact that he more or less accused Obama of sedition the other day, without bothering to him out on his bullshiat.

Thank him for giving the republicans fodder to scare the average American to vote republican?

Sooooo, they have the same position on Bin Laden?

I wonder if they have the same position on kicking puppies, and assaulting old ladies?

/They're against it.

RQB1018: Sooooo, they have the same position on Bin Laden?

I wonder if they have the same position on kicking puppies, and assaulting old ladies?

/They're against it.

McCain was against these things in 2007, but now he says it's ambiguous. Actually, he's not sure what his position is, but he's sure it agrees with the President's position.

RQB1018: Sooooo, they have the same position on Bin Laden?

I wonder if they have the same position on kicking puppies, and assaulting old ladies?

/They're against it.

They also have the same position on the FISA Amendments Act. Three cheers for trampling the constitution!

/hip hip!
//hip hip!
///hip hip!

Andric: Thread's done, guys. Party Boy pancaked it in the Boobies.

that image he posted is seriously disturbing. pboy probably spent hours making it.

If the biggest mass murder in our nations history deserves a trial a la Nuremburg, why are Republicans so opposed to giving them to random nobodies in Gitmo?

I can't believe we've come to this. It's not "How will catch Bin Laden and why the fark haven't we caught him yet" its "what would you do if we did catch him"

Bin Laden is a manufactured boogie man anyway. I hope we get nuked and people start over, cause we FAIL

depmode98: If the biggest mass murder in our nations history deserves a trial a la Nuremburg, why are Republicans so opposed to giving them to random nobodies in Gitmo?

I would imagine it is cost related. Not that that has stopped them with anything else they've done since '03.

Fiction Fan:

Is this going to be another hostage incident? Bush leaves office, someone else comes in, Osama is captured the next day?


Unlikely. The hostages were released because of negotiations with the Carter administration -- Iran agreed to release the hostages, but not until after Carter left office. It was Carter's refusal to extradite the Shah that began the crisis, and waiting until Carter left office was a way for both sides to claim victory -- Iran for refusing to give the hostages to Carter, and the US for getting the hostages released.

For a similar thing to happen here, Bin Laden would need to be captured by someone who won't turn him over to Bush, but would turn him over to another leader.

depmode98: If the biggest mass murder in our nations history deserves a trial a la Nuremburg, why are Republicans so opposed to giving them to random nobodies in Gitmo?

They're only talking about Nuremburg because it would be an opportunity to parade him before the world and show everyone what a "good job" we're doing on the war on terror.

And again, it's real cute that McCain is talking about what we're going to do when we catch him, rather than discussing how we're going to catch him.

Cut his nuts out?

machoprogrammer:
I would imagine it is cost related. Not that that has stopped them with anything else they've done since '03.

It's that they know they will get a conviction. Nobody's going to vote to acquit Bin Laden.

On the other hand, random guys who may have been picked up solely on the testimony of witnesses living half a world away, yeah, that's a bit harder to sell to a jury. A few acquittals because of a total lack of evidence and the whole Gitmo program is in jeopardy.

That farker is dead. No one is going to "catch" him. This is all pointless bullshiat.

"Asked what he would do if al-Maliki insisted a withdrawal was needed, McCain said, "He won't ... I know him well."

Translation: "No matter what Maliki says, CENTCOM will be sure to translate it as 'I want America to stay here in Iraq for ten thousand years, I support President McCain in everything he does, and I love having American troops in Iraq forever."

Oh, and bin Laden is probably dead, and has been since 2002, when he was admitted to be dying of kidney failure. No one has seen him alive since then.

So what's the problem? If it's a good idea it's a good idea regardless of where it comes from. I'm a little surprised McCain would support it though since I know the GOP frowns upon the notion of internationalism and recognizing the rest of the world.

Gyrfalcon: "Asked what he would do if al-Maliki insisted a withdrawal was needed, McCain said, "He won't ... I know him well."

Translation: "No matter what Maliki says, CENTCOM will be sure to translate it as 'I want America to stay here in Iraq for ten thousand years, I support President McCain in everything he does, and I love having American troops in Iraq forever."

Oh, and bin Laden is probably dead, and has been since 2002, when he was admitted to be dying of kidney failure. No one has seen him alive since then.

Actual Translation: What a dumbass question and I'm not going to buy into your premise that the Iraqi PM would want a complete withdrawl of American troops any time in the next decade, in fact, it's never even come up in the negotiations. Next *real* question please.

In other words nobody is talking about a complete withdrawl of American troops, not even Maliki. As for McCain accusing Obama of sedition, I don't know if I'd go that far. He did point out the truth; Obama long with Senate and Congressional Democrats would rather win an election than win a war. It explains perfectly thier "Run away" strategy of the past two to four years. I'm not sure it's sedition but it is distasteful.

/Half day so I got some Civ'in to do, but figured I'd rile up the Obama Supporters first :P

CanisNoir


Actual Translation: What a dumbass question and I'm not going to buy into your premise that the Iraqi PM would want a complete withdrawl of American troops any time in the next decade, in fact, it's never even come up in the negotiations. Next *real* question please.

I do agree we will be there awhile. Gives you time to enlist and put up for your cause instead of letting others fight it.


In other words nobody is talking about a complete withdrawl of American troops, not even Maliki. As for McCain accusing Obama of sedition, I don't know if I'd go that far. He did point out the truth; Obama long with Senate and Congressional Democrats would rather win an election than win a war. It explains perfectly thier "Run away" strategy of the past two to four years. I'm not sure it's sedition but it is distasteful.

What explains your "Cheer on the war but don't participate" strategy?


/Half day so I got some Civ'in to do, but figured I'd rile up the Obama Supporters first :P

Cool. Send those soldiers into battle :)

Actually, we very likely will have Bin Laden in custody in what may be the grandest "October Surprise" imaginable. It will more than cement McCain's chances in this election.

CanisNoir: As for McCain accusing Obama of sedition, I don't know if I'd go that far. He did point out the truth; Obama long with Senate and Congressional Democrats would rather win an election than win a war. It explains perfectly thier "Run away" strategy of the past two to four years.

Yawn. Try again.

Just shoot him in the head and bury him in the desert without any media knowing about it.

Better that he just disappear than be paraded around in front of the tv cameras for the whole world to see.
That would only make him a martyr and light a fire under the asses of every jihadist in the world.

Bin Laden is dead. He hasn't been heard from in years. He is a convenient political tool Obama and McCain are both going to use. He is dead, and I think the Bush administration knows it. Better to keep him "Alive" as an uncatchable boogie man than to state "yeah, we got him" and make a martyr out of him. Eventually his legacy will die out, but in the meanwhile, current U.S. politics will use him as a campaign tool.

GoRedSoxGo: McCain promises some sort of tribunal for putting OBL on trial, but is having a difficult time talking about how he's going to find OBL in the first place. And wow, a tribunal! You're such a maverick, McCain! With great ideas! Here we were just going to put him on a plane to Tahiti!

And then go ahead, CNN, and give McCain ample space to backtrack on the fact that he more or less accused Obama of sedition the other day, without bothering to him out on his bullshiat.

It's become his new mantra. He repeated it today in a speech, and in a live interview with Blitzer on CNN. It's vile and disgusting . I guess the only thing left is to start accusing him of being a pigfarker.

"I have to say that not capturing Bin Laden was one of the biggest goofs of the Bush administration."

You seriously didn't expect the Bush administration to catch and prosecute a family friend, did you?

Tor_Eckman: I guess the only thing left is to start accusing him of being a pigfarker.

"Pigfarker... do you mind if I call you pigfarker?"
"No, only my friends can call me pigfarker."

/not even remotely obscure

funny, I'm not seeing any of our Fark Independant regulars here... Wonder why...

Raiden333: funny, I'm not seeing any of our Fark Independant regulars here... Wonder why...

Floor humping night at the YMCA?

Obama: Change McCain believes in.
So much so that he steals it and claims it as his own.
Then turns around and claims the guy he stole it from would have surrendered doing the same thing he's wanting to but if he does it it's Victory!!!

The ceasefire with the Madhi army is the biggest factor here,the paying off of tribal leaders and letting their militias rule the streets is another. the "surge" was only a part of a change in tactics that benefited from the fact that ethnic cleansing had taken place and that's the reasons things seem better.
it's more segregated than before.
but all this is tenuous.it could all ho to hell quickly.
So I'd be careful if I were McCain about declaring a success just yet.
That security agreement is still in the mix and Iraq doesn't want to give you those permanent bases you're wanting.
If they ask for us to leave and the UN charter runs out we'll have to leave. Or face the truth that this is an occupation. and Iraq's govt is not sovereign.
I really think it's a shame the media is probably going to let McCain get away with co-opting Obama's policies and then accusing Obama of being naive,reckless and willing to lose a war to win an election. that's scurrilous and not how McCain said he would run his campaign.

muck4doo: Bin Laden is dead. He hasn't been heard from in years. He is a convenient political tool Obama and McCain are both going to use. He is dead, and I think the Bush administration knows it. Better to keep him "Alive" as an uncatchable boogie man than to state "yeah, we got him" and make a martyr out of him. Eventually his legacy will die out, but in the meanwhile, current U.S. politics will use him as a campaign tool.

Zwahiri is still a good target though. I'd just as soon get him.
Of course the Bush junta ex-CIA cabal would lose a valuable asset.
/tinfoil

Occam's Chainsaw: Tor_Eckman: I guess the only thing left is to start accusing him of being a pigfarker.

"Pigfarker... do you mind if I call you pigfarker?"
"No, only my friends can call me pigfarker."

/not even remotely obscure

That skit has always made me laugh way more than it has a right to. Thanks for reminding me. :)

Tor_Eckman: Raiden333: funny, I'm not seeing any of our Fark Independant regulars here... Wonder why...

Floor humping night at the YMCA?

Naw, was steamrolling the world with Panzers while converting the losers to Judiasm. Just something Karmic about taking over the world as Jewish Germans. (Love Civ IV BTS)

Anyway, as I said, the truth is, that durring the 06 Congressional elections Harry Ried, Pelosi and a bunch others were courting the Hard Anti-War base and net-roots who wanted a withdrawl of troops; which anyone would equate with a loss in Iraq at that time. You even had one of the lesser knowns in Congress flat out state that they campaigned on withdrawl but never intended to do it.

So basically, they may not have ever intended on *losing the war* per se, but they certianly enjoyed lying to thier base about wanting to lose the war, in hopes of getting elected. Those are just the facts, so McCain is using a typical Political exageration (Obama would rather win an election and lose a war)but it's a valid attack.

Heck Obama still can't admit that he was wrong about the Surge, though I understand his desire to just twist in the wind on it; it's hard to admit you were wrong on a winning strategy in campaign season.

/Too darn tired to start another game :(
//Think I'll try Hindi Incans next :P

PascalsGhost: Cool. Send those soldiers into battle :)

I'm generally a "Builder" with enough Defenses to hold off the hordes once my Tech gets up. I usually only go to war for resources or if war is declared upon me first.

Strike for the Great Wall and let the Barbarians decimate your opponents :)

/Just sayin

canisnoir: winning strategy...

Ok, great, the escalation was mega-awesome super win.
So we can leave now, right?

I'm sure McCain will decide at what point we've won enough and can go home, right?

So, McCain wants the US to give up our sovereignty and listen to what the UN and the international courts want? Does he want to go crying to the security council every time something bad happens, too? Why not just hand over the keys to our missile silos to Russia and China... I bet his former captors would love that.

LOL...I love any speculation regarding the combination "republicans" and "actual victory/progress regarding a terrorist or military matter."

Can I dip my bread in your delicious oil and vinegar?

Since we quit looking for him years ago, I don't think this is an issue we need to spend much time on.

/duh
//the killer walks and we continue to sit on our hands and suck the Saudi cock

depmode98: If the biggest mass murder in our nations history deserves a trial a la Nuremburg, why are Republicans so opposed to giving them to random nobodies in Gitmo?

I'm pretty sure McVeigh was tried in Federal Court.

FTA: "Sen. John McCain on Friday said as president he would consider bringing Osama bin Laden to justice through a Nuremberg-like international trial."

Yeah, because to put him on trial in a U.S. court would bring to light enough evidence to get Bush (Jr. and Sr.), Cheney, Rumsfeld and all of their buddies the death penalty.

PascalsGhost: I can't believe we've come to this. It's not "How will catch Bin Laden and why the fark haven't we caught him yet" its "what would you do if we did catch him"

Bin Laden is a manufactured boogie man anyway. I hope we get nuked and people start over, cause we FAIL

Bin Laden is Emmanuel Goldstein. He's useful for whenever the administration needs to scare everyone - rather like a specialized version of the Two-Minutes Hate.

Notice how many terror alert color changes we've had since the 2004 election? Compare that to how many we had during that election season.


Toying With Terror Alerts? (2006) (new window)

/Blackwatch Plaid