It's Capitol Hill, numbnuts.

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Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

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Capital Radio!

abb3w: Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

holy shiat. THIS.

This will go about as far as the Republicans attempt to impeach Clinton. Someone needs to post some pictures of Mrs. Kucinich to make this thread worthwhile.

ASCII value of "o" is 111 and "a" is 97.

So, I'm going with...

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abb3w: Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

I have been listening to this on and off most of today and I just heard some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war--President Clinton that is...

you can't make this crap up

This is a terrible headline. -1

Schwing!

Go Bill Go!

abb3w: Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

Doesn't matter...it's not going anywhere...it's political grandstanding in an election year. Not saying he's guilty or innocent, just saying it's not going anywhere.

So we're calling him "Usama" now?

This is a joke right? Are you _lefties still sore about Clinton's impeachment? Gimmie a break!

This isn't the 1970s and this isn't watergate. There is no deepthroat and no plumbers. Just a bunch of nostalgic aging hippies trying to rewrite history again.

sassyfrancis: So we're calling him "Usama" now?

No. That was a typo. It's still "Obama".

Magorn: I have been listening to this on and off most of today and I just heard some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war--President Clinton that is...

There's a part of me that will actually miss having these neanderfarks in charge - the part that appreciates really absurd humor.

This will go about as far as the Republicans attempt to impeach Clinton. Someone needs to post some pictures of Mrs. Kucinich to make this thread worthwhile.

umm, the republicans DID impeach Clinton. he was acquitted though. i doubt Bush will be impeached before his term is up

Yes. Let's impeach Bush. Let's put Cheney behind the big desk officially. Nothing bad could come from that.

Approves:


I'm an amendment to be, yes an amendment to be
And I'm hoping they they ratify me!
There's a lot of flag-burners who have got too much freedom
I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat them
Cos there's limits to our liberty
'Least I hope and pray that there are
Cos those lib'ral freaks go too far

/hotlinky goodness

BMulligan: There's a part of me that will actually miss having these neanderfarks in charge - the part that appreciates really absurd humor.

I say we invest in a Truman Show type dome for them. In the middle of the night, they get drugged, and put into the dome without them realizing anything has changed. Then bend "reality" a bit to let them pretty much get all their true political goals and see what happens.

I'm not garbage, I'm an amendment to be, yes an amendment to be, and I'm looking for a funny looking midget-jockey with an enormous ears and a hot trophy wife to attention whore it up and someday ratify me.

/ I've checked and rechecked, and the meter to this works perfectly.
// If you think it doesn't you are wrong

Darconix: Actually, it wasn't made up at all (new window).

How do you dress yourself each morning without setting your whole house on fire.

Submitter could use a little meter.

/hint: "Sitting here on Captiol Hill" (or one of its variants) is the end of the chorus. A verse always comes after it.
//watched "Schoolhouse Rock" back when it aired on t.v. between Saturday morning cartoons.

It isn't going to happen, folks. This is a waste of legislative time.

First, they won't get the numbers they need to impeach.
Second, there isn't time enough. Bush is gone in six months. Why impeach him now? All you'll get is a couple of months of Cheney vetos.
Third, right before the impeachment, Bush will pardon everyone in his administration down to the guy who scrubs toilets. Once he is removed, Cheney will pardon him.

The only way there will be any prosecution of Bush is to wait until after he leaves office. Even then, I bet whoever is president will pardon him. Here is why:

McCain will pardon him the same way Ford pardoned Nixon; preserve GOP sentiment. It will buy him points from the 28 percent, and he needs that support.

Obama will do it because it will be a distraction from his administration. For all that he has promised, the more time his Congress spends time deliberating this matter, the less he will be able to get through while his ideas are fresh, new and possible. As an added bonus, he can make a speech about reconciliation and forgiveness that will be a watershed moment. Whether or not you like Barack, you must admit this is a man with capacity to make a damn good speech.

What should be happening now is:

1. Sensible Dems and Repubs should be putting together their alliances now. Either person in office will need a "gang of 14" to keep up the seeming of bipartisanship.
2. The time will come when party dinosaurs will be out in the cold. Folks like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, who have led an astonishly unpopular Congress will be isolated, just like the bozos that came before them. These folks should be looking to back out peaceably.

Everyone seems to forget that the law doesn't apply to Bush. You actually think the Democrats want to remove the 'above the law' status of the executive branch right when they're poised to take control of it. Of course not.

Maybe they'll fire SC justices too, so they can get control over all three branches.

Magorn: abb3w: Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

I have been listening to this on and off most of today and I just heard some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war--President Clinton that is...

you can't make this crap up

I am going categorically call you out for saying "some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war". No GOP congressman said the president lied and pushed to war.

gustakooka: Magorn: abb3w: Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

I have been listening to this on and off most of today and I just heard some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war--President Clinton that is...

you can't make this crap up

I am going categorically call you out for saying "some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war". No GOP congressman said the president lied and pushed to war.

Uh, Ron Paul?

bad_ed: This is a waste of legislative time.

it's no more a waste than the last impeachment. in fact, it's less a waste of time now - people actually died because of what Bush has done. Last time the worst thing that happened was a dress got stained and a couple of cigars got ruined.

Darconix: But there is ample evidence that the "Bush lied, people died" mantra completely ignores President Clinton's and Vice President Gore's statement affirming their belief in a weapons of mass destruction program.

I notice they didn't invade, though. Funny thing, that - it seems like such a small point, and yet it makes all the difference in the world.

Darconix: Magorn: I have been listening to this on and off most of today and I just heard some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war--President Clinton that is...

you can't make this crap up

Actually, it wasn't made up at all (new window).

the difference between those statements and President Bush's is that after Clinton's presidency, Saddamn let the UN weapons inspectors in, who looked and looked and could find nary a WMD, and Bush ignored that evidence and demanded Saddam declare all the WMD'S he had. And Saddam DID. And Bush metaphorically tore up that report and told Saddam he'd better come Clean or else, and that he'd better let NEW weapons inspectors in OR ELSE. So Saddam did, who promptly again found nothing. So an Bush then threatened Saddamn that if Saddam didn't- aww -screw it I'm just gonna try to kill you with a massive bomber raid....

Meanwhile Bush was feeding a staeady stream of intel to Congress-including the Democrats-on Saddam's WMDS but was conveniently ommitting all the CIA reports that cast doubt on the veracity of the intel.

So yeas a lot of people who didn't know better said some outlandish thing about Saddm's WMD's but they were mislead, I maintain deliberately, by Bush, who insisted on seeing the raw intel feed , and thus knew better

YixilTesiphon:
Uh, Ron Paul?

So, Ron Paul said "lets forgive" the President's "lying to push for war"? Do you have a link?

Darconix: But no, I guess it's the fault of some anonymous right-leaning troll on the Internet that they said that.

In the last few threads I've seen you in you have consistently posted the dumbest statements in the thread. It is not a right wing/left wing thing. It is not a "OMG troll" thing. You have no grasp of any of these topics.

For example, your link. Yeah, Clinton and Gore said they thought Saddam had WMD's based on intelligence reports. But they didn't INVADE THE COUNTRY. The didn't even make a big push for it. That's the inconvenient little fact you seem to be ignoring. Under them intelligence was continually gathered as they felt they had no real cause to go to war.

cmunic8r99: bad_ed: This is a waste of legislative time.

it's no more a waste than the last impeachment. in fact, it's less a waste of time now - people actually died because of what Bush has done. Last time the worst thing that happened was a dress got stained and a couple of cigars got ruined.


Plenty died when Clinton lied.

/doesn't make Bush excusable

gustakooka: YixilTesiphon:
Uh, Ron Paul?

So, Ron Paul said "lets forgive" the President's "lying to push for war"? Do you have a link?

No, I was responding to this: No GOP congressman said the president lied and pushed to war.

gustakooka: Magorn: abb3w: Lamar Smith (TX-R), FTA: "Nothing is going to come out of this hearing with regard to impeachment. ... That's because there is no evidence to support impeachment."

There's evidence he failed to comply with the legal obligations of the presidential records act, which would have provided material evidence for the investigation of many other offenses. I'd say "impeach 'em", if only to try and warn the corrupt that the only thing more dangerous than a paper trail is a missing paper trail.

I have been listening to this on and off most of today and I just heard some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war--President Clinton that is...

you can't make this crap up

I am going categorically call you out for saying "some idiot GOP Congressman say, apparently with a straight face, that is was time to forgive the president for lying about WMDS and pushing us into war". No GOP congressman said the president lied and pushed to war.

Yes he did. But you have to understand he was alleging that it was President Clinton that lied about Saddam having WMDS and Bush, if he was guilty of anything, was guilty only of being naive and too trusting.


After the hearing I'll check the transcript and tell you who was speaking

YixilTesiphon: Plenty died when Clinton lied.

that's not what he was impeached for, and you know it.

YixilTesiphon: Plenty died when Clinton lied.

/doesn't make Bush excusable

And I think Clinton's impeachment was retarded too. But look at the sheer amount of time it took to get to that point. For something as simple and trivial as the definition of the word "is". This is no obstruction charge - the book is getting thrown at Gee Dub. By the time they can get this through, he wont be in office anymore. The best thing that can be done to W is to keep any bit of governmental win from him. Keep him up as a lame duck. Anything anyone can do will have its best chance of success after he is out of office.

YixilTesiphon: gustakooka: YixilTesiphon:
Uh, Ron Paul?

So, Ron Paul said "lets forgive" the President's "lying to push for war"? Do you have a link?

No, I was responding to this: No GOP congressman said the president lied and pushed to war.

Maybe so, but I am saying that the commenter flat out lied by describing what he say today.

YixilTesiphon: cmunic8r99: bad_ed: This is a waste of legislative time.

it's no more a waste than the last impeachment. in fact, it's less a waste of time now - people actually died because of what Bush has done. Last time the worst thing that happened was a dress got stained and a couple of cigars got ruined.


Plenty died when Clinton lied.

/doesn't make Bush excusable

out Curiosity what did clinton Lie about during Waco? IIRC ATF was serving an arrest warrant on a domestic terrorist for stockpiling illegal weapons when said terrorist ordered his followers to open fire on the arresting officers killing 4 of them.

What happened after was the direct result of the terrorist and his followers refusing to comply witht he legal requirements to come out and surrender themselves

sassyfrancis: So we're calling him "Usama" now?

Check out the FBI's most wanted terrorists site.

I surely hope this goes through and gets lots and lots of press coverage this year.

I can think of no better way for the Democratic Party to commit suicide.

YixilTesiphon: Plenty died when Clinton lied.

Monica's BJ set the Waco compound on fire? THAT'S talent!

Impeach the man. He must be. Send him to jail. He is a criminal in every sense of the word.

And seeing someone trot out Waco... Ha! Nevermind the crazy Jesus guy who had guns and covered the compound in gasoline! It's pathetic.

Guysmiley: Monica's BJ set the Waco compound on fire? THAT'S talent!

Thanks. Now I want one.

bad_ed: Second, there isn't time enough. Bush is gone in six months. Why impeach him now? All you'll get is a couple of months of Cheney vetos.

Three words: Leg A Sea.

cmunic8r99: that's not what he was impeached for, and you know it.

Yes, I'm quite aware, but he's still a murderer.

Magorn: out Curiosity what did clinton Lie about during Waco? IIRC ATF was serving an arrest warrant on a domestic terrorist for stockpiling illegal weapons when said terrorist ordered his followers to open fire on the arresting officers killing 4 of them.

What happened after was the direct result of the terrorist and his followers refusing to comply witht he legal requirements to come out and surrender themselves

Apparently you're unaware that the cult members who escaped were determined to have committed justifiable homicide by killing the ATF members.

And calling a bunch of wackos who mainly kept to themselves "terrorists" is risible.