You're missing a word there, subby.

/sick bird

Stoj: You're missing a word there, subby.

My job has been done for me.

There's a fine line between stupid and clever, subby.

What Latinos voting for Democrats? Who'd a thunk it! Sheesh. Of course Latinos are going to vote for whoever leaves the farking borders wide open and don't enforce the laws. The story should have the obvious tag instead of the amusing one.

sepuku2: Of course Latinos are going to vote for whoever leaves the farking borders wide open and don't enforce the laws.

So they're just flipping a coin between the two candidates, then?

I'm not sure the Republicans' actual basis for their hope Obama would not draw Latino votes was that they believed "Hispanics traditionally vote conservative," because that's certainly not the case outside of a few pockets of the country, such as Florida. I think their actual belief was that "Hispanics traditionally won't vote for a negrito," which is now proving not to be the case either. It's true that, for the most part, they did tend to support Hillary over the negrito, but that doesn't mean they'll go so far as to support McCain over him.

Cyberluddite: I'm not sure the Republicans' actual basis for their hope Obama would not draw Latino votes was that they believed "Hispanics traditionally vote conservative," because that's certainly not the case outside of a few pockets of the country, such as Florida. I think their actual belief was that "Hispanics traditionally won't vote for a negrito," which is now proving not to be the case either. It's true that, for the most part, they did tend to support Hillary over the negrito, but that doesn't mean they'll go so far as to support McCain over him.


What's a negrito?

Skail: What's a negrito?

Soft white corn shell, black beans, rice, pico de gallo and spicy shredded pork.

sepuku2: Sheesh. Of course Latinos are going to vote for whoever leaves the farking borders wide open and don't enforce the laws.

That there comment is border line retarded (HA!). Maybe they're voting for Obama because McCain is a horrible choice?

ElChango: Maybe they're voting for Obama because McCain is a horrible choice?

While this is absolutely possible and probable, they have historically been single-issue voters and/or conservative "family values" voters.

ElChango: That there comment is border line retarded (HA!). Maybe they're voting for Obama because McCain is a horrible choice?

Their voting for Obama because they are, for the most part Democrats asshat.

the republicans need to hope cuba sends a bunch of people over and they get citizenship quick as political refugees

But McCain, at least at one point, supported Bush's plan which was pretty moderate. I don't know where the Senator is now on immigration. But I don't think we can rely on the traditional view of Latino voting. Obama's uniqueness as a candidate screws with the traditional model.

kronicfeld: Soft white corn shell, black beans, rice, pico de gallo and spicy shredded pork.

I'll have that with a Negro Modelo please

Stoj: ElChango: Maybe they're voting for Obama because McCain is a horrible choice?

While this is absolutely possible and probable, they have historically been single-issue voters and/or conservative "family values" voters.

I don't see the same pattern. While "hispanics" is a very broad group, there are three vague generalizations: Dominican and Puerto Ricans, who tend towards democratic candidates.

My take is this has to do with many of them being union members who have perhaps 2 or 3 generations of family in the US.

Second would be cuban immigrants (and their children) who tend to vote more republican. I suspect this has to do with traditional republican issues of free markets and very limited government, specifically contrasted with 1960s-era cuba - a memory and a reality both slowly fading.

Third, you have mexican/central american and some south american populations. These groups are all over the map, politics-wise. They are much more likely to be swing voters and less likely to be party-line voters in a given election or even long-term adherents to either party.

Common among this group is an entrepreneurial streak, which would historically been a plus for republicans, but that has been fading ever since the "contract with america" crowd fragmented into the CEO and megachurch subgroups.

McCain was left with limited choices after dismissing the Robertsonites as uneducated consumers, and had to side with the b-list preachers, who actually talk about biblical teachings rather than just waving the flag and making vaguely anti-gay statements wrapped up in the cheerful imagery of football, pickup trucks, guns, and gated communities where non-whites are seen only when pushing a lawnmower on someone else's lawn. Everyone loves church, until you get down to the specifics. Ask someone from Belfast.

I think you'd have a much more difficult time identifying any single issue that gets Latino/Hispanic voters to line up for one party. Partial-birth abortion? Gay rights? High-capacity ammo magazines? Stem-cell research? Bible-compliant science curriculum?

sepuku2: Their voting for Obama because they are, for the most part Democrats asshat.

Wharblgarbl!

sepuku2: Their voting for Obama because they are, for the most part Democrats asshat.

That's pretty much it right there.

kronicfeld: Skail: What's a negrito?

Soft white corn shell, black beans, rice, pico de gallo and spicy shredded pork.

Damn, that sounds good

This thread is making me hungry for pupusas.

The Icelander: This thread is making me hungry for pupusas.

I'm craving Bæjarins Beztu Pylsur

Stoj: You're missing a word there, subby.

Ditto.

So much for the "b-b-but Hillary has a better chance of winning because she does better with latinos!" talking point.

Yeah except, you know, McCain was all for the amnesty program.

bastid

sepuku2: Their voting for Obama because they are, for the most part Democrats asshat.

Nah, they should be Republicans. Look at the government of Mexico, it doesn't do much, like Republicans want. They are self-reliant, pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of people. They are pro-life, anti-gay, and all around social conservatives.

They are Republicans at heart, and the right used them as a wedge in a racist gambit to stay in power.

It will be generations before they vote the way they probably should.

No quiero el Hussein. Estoy HARTO de Hussein.

/mexican redneck

Stoj: ElChango: Maybe they're voting for Obama because McCain is a horrible choice?

While this is absolutely possible and probable, they have historically been single-issue voters and/or conservative "family values" voters.

This exactly. They also tend to be heavily Catholic.

sepuku2: What Latinos voting for Democrats? Who'd a thunk it! Sheesh. Of course Latinos are going to vote for whoever leaves the farking borders wide open and don't enforce the laws. The story should have the obvious tag instead of the amusing one.

Here's a hint: When you cast an entire racial demographic as a bunch of lawless wetbacks who are stealin r jorbs then they probably won't vote for you.

bulok: Yeah except, you know, McCain was all for the amnesty program.

bastid

Knowing McCain, the key word here is "was".

Stoj: You're missing a word there, subby.

Tancredo?

bartink: sepuku2: Their voting for Obama because they are, for the most part Democrats asshat.

Nah, they should be Republicans. Look at the government of Mexico, it doesn't do much, like Republicans want. They are self-reliant, pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of people. They are pro-life, anti-gay, and all around social conservatives.

They are Republicans at heart, and the right used them as a wedge in a racist gambit to stay in power.

It will be generations before they vote the way they probably should.

Quoting TFA: "While the hard-line rhetoric of some Republican conservatives has alienated many Latinos, the issue of immigration appears to have receded a bit as a voting issue. While 75 percent of Hispanics say immigration is "extremely" or "very" important to them, it lags behind education, Latino's top concern at 93 percent, and pocketbook issues such as the rising cost of living (92 percent), jobs (91 percent) and health care (90 percent)."

Their top concern is Education. Republican do not care about education, at least in the sense of improving it for all people. They also care about Health Care, again something Republican rail against. I'm not sure they're natural Republicans.

Diogenes: But McCain, at least at one point, supported Bush's plan which was pretty moderate. I don't know where the Senator is now on immigration.

He has said he would not now vote for the bill that he was the sponsor of less than a year ago.

Republicans, sure Obama would never get the Hispanic vote because Hispanics traditionally vote conservative, are finding out what years of anti-immigranthispanic rhetoric can do

There's your missing word. Don't bother with your feeble sputtering "I'm against ALL illegals, even the Swedish!" denials -- it all comes down to that.

Open up the goddam borders and let 'em in -- might dilute some of the stagnating asswipery dragging this country down into a trailorpark septic well.

It might have something to do with the increasingly hostile tone that a lot of pundits and GOP hardliners have taken over the last few years.

Obama, doesn't have that track record. The GOP has been hoping for years that the support of the Cubans in Florida will automatically transfer to the rest of the Latino community around the country--but when you play states like Texas, Arizona, and California against their fastest growing immigrant communities, it sort of fails miserably.

It's less about who they "should" vote for, as opposed to who has been working round the clock to scare white folks about them...

Fart_Machine: Here's a hint: When you cast an entire racial demographic as a bunch of lawless wetbacks who are stealin r jorbs then they probably won't vote for you.

The sad part is republicans won't get it.

Abner Doon: bulok: Yeah except, you know, McCain was all for the amnesty program.

bastid

Knowing McCain, the key word here is "was".

I laughed out loud.

We (Republicans) have nominated a pro-amnesty candidate. So, that fails to get the latino vote and also pisses off the conservative base. Brilliant move.

I think free/sorta free healthcare have something to do with it.

Lol, anti-illegal immigrant voters have no where to go this election. I mean, Obama is a democrat and pretty much follows the party line on the issues, and McCain is one of the most pro immigration republicans there is. Sure, McCain may be making a pitch for the "'Dey took ur jerbs!" crowd, but after his "Americans will not pick lettuce for $50 an hour" gaffe, I highly doubt his pitch will be that successful.

dopirt: "While the hard-line rhetoric of some Republican conservatives has alienated many Latinos, the issue of immigration appears to have receded a bit as a voting issue. While 75 percent of Hispanics say immigration is "extremely" or "very" important to them, it lags behind education, Latino's top concern at 93 percent, and pocketbook issues such as the rising cost of living (92 percent), jobs (91 percent) and health care (90 percent)."

If you polled blacks, I bet the biggest issue would not be civil rights. Yet that is the issue that has them continuing to vote against the Republicans 9:1. My guess is that you would get similar polling for gays, who I think will eventually vote Republican, once they aren't scapegoated.

When you demonize a group, they have long memories.

Open up the goddam borders and let 'em in -- might dilute some of the stagnating asswipery dragging this country down into a trailorpark septic well.

I second this

drjekel_mrhyde: I think free/sorta free healthcare have something to do with it.

Right. Traditionally Republican Hispanic americans, like for instance the rabidly anti-Castro Floridians, suddenly got a craving for handouts.

Dick.

bigstoopidbruce: We (Republicans) have nominated a pro-amnesty candidate. So, that fails to get the latino vote and also pisses off the conservative base. Brilliant move.

This just in: legal immigrants (who can vote) don't like illegal immigrants (who can't) any more than anyone else. Amnesty isn't going to do anybody any favors politically.

might dilute some of the stagnating asswipery dragging this country down into a trailorpark septic well

We must know different Mexicans. Or different trailer parks.

Hispanics generally vote Democrat. That's not news. In fact, the only Hispanic group that habitually votes Republican is the Cuban American community, largely based in Miami and New Jersey. That mainly stems back to JFK and the Bay of Pigs.

The Bush administration in 2000 made the biggest inroads with the Hispanic community, getting something like 40% of the vote. That was the peak, and its declined every since.

That said, I'm compelled to say that Hispanic support for a presidential candidate is probably still up in the air.

McCain and Bush both supported the failed immigration legislation that was popular with hispanics, as well as Democrats in congress, but most Republicans considered amnesty.

And while Hispanics generally vote Democrat, they were bigger supporters of Hillary Clinton's campaign. There's also the uncomfortable subject of race relations.

All in all, I'd say it's too early and too complicated to determine who they'll back more.

Jim_Callahan: This just in: legal immigrants (who can vote) don't like illegal immigrants (who can't) any more than anyone else.

Totally not true. Many of them have family, often living with them, that remain illegal. This is a myth put forward by the right.

Subby, this is not a race thing til assholes like you say it is. Thanks for injecting a little more divisiveness, and stay classy.

bartink: dopirt: "While the hard-line rhetoric of some Republican conservatives has alienated many Latinos, the issue of immigration appears to have receded a bit as a voting issue. While 75 percent of Hispanics say immigration is "extremely" or "very" important to them, it lags behind education, Latino's top concern at 93 percent, and pocketbook issues such as the rising cost of living (92 percent), jobs (91 percent) and health care (90 percent)."

If you polled blacks, I bet the biggest issue would not be civil rights. Yet that is the issue that has them continuing to vote against the Republicans 9:1. My guess is that you would get similar polling for gays, who I think will eventually vote Republican, once they aren't scapegoated.

When you demonize a group, they have long memories.

Why the hell would gays vote for social conservatives? I understand that people aren't necessarily rational or smart, but goddamn that would be boneheaded.

The question is- Which state can Hispanics flip for either candidate?

In other words, do they even matter in a non-lawn maintenance context.

bartink:
When you demonize a group, they have long memories.

Yup, Hispanics in California still spit at the name of Pete Wilson for his 1994 campaign.

danlpoon: might dilute some of the stagnating asswipery dragging this country down into a trailorpark septic well

We must know different Mexicans. Or different trailer parks.

dude you're from Florida...armpit of the country...your state sucks worse than anything that has ever sucked before.

Florida sucks, therefore...

...well you can complete this thought right? Or did you not make it to 3rd grade or as Floridians call it, high school.