anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

Wow, someplace that finally gives Schenectady a run for its (drug) money.

Aimie Mokwa replaced the Neon with a 1999 Ford Escort that she purchased from the tow company for $1100, even though its book value was at least $3750. She rear-ended another car with the Escort in January 2003. Officers investigating the collision determined she had a blood alcohol level of 0.17, but they did not charge her with drunk driving. In December 2006, Aimie Mokwa bought a 2004 Chevy Malibu from the tow yard for $1500, despite the vehicle having a book value of at least $5850. Last October, she bought a 1999 Dodge Dakota for $850, even though the vehicle was worth at least $5025.

On Friday, the St. Louis Board of Police Commissioners released the report of a private law firm hired by the department to investigate the free car program. It concluded no laws were broken.


Every time someone tells me i'm verging on conspiracy territory when I talk about the joke our law enforcement folks have become stories like this crop up.

This woman blew .17 on a traffic stop and had a well documented history of wrecking cars. But she never saw the inside of a court room because her daddy is police chief. If I blew .17 I'd be in county lock up for a month AND pay thru the nose in fines, court fees and probably lose my license for a year AND my job.

shiat like this really pisses me off. If this happened in my community, I'd find out who those officers were and make sure that they lost their jobs AND did farking federal time for corruption.

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

Exactly. The car goes to jail, yet the driver is free to get another car and drive drunk.

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

What he said.

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

I know a good bit about the system that processes DUI offenses, and I am agreeing 100% with you.
From everything I've seen, it's all about making money for the city.

Weaver95: shiat like this really pisses me off. If this happened in my community, I'd find out who those officers were and make sure that they lost their jobs AND did farking federal time for corruption.

I agree with you 100%, but if you actually tried to do this, you'd likely wind up dead before any officer served so much as a day of federal time.

Dear God, there should've been a warning for that mugshot!

Weaver95: If this happened in my community, I'd find out who those officers were and make sure that they lost their jobs AND did farking federal time for corruption.

/GO GET 'EM TOUGH GUY.
//Intertoobs Tough Guy that is....

Weaver95: This woman blew .17 on a traffic stop and had a well documented history of wrecking cars. But she never saw the inside of a court room because her daddy is police chief. If I blew .17 I'd be in county lock up for a month AND pay thru the nose in fines, court fees and probably lose my license for a year AND my job.

I'm not saying that her treatment was right, but that wouldn't happen to me, and I'm nobody special. I might lose my job and have to pay some money (surprise surprise), but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't spend more than a day in jail.

I find that laws like this run contrary to the spirit of the law, if only the innocent til proven guilty part.

How these seizure laws get past the supreme court as constitutional is beyond me.

Innocent people lose their vehicles, their homes, their livelihoods. And by the time they're proven innocent, it's too late to get back any of those things.

The empire crumbling, the rats hold sway.

davynelson: How these seizure laws get past the supreme court as constitutional is beyond me.



Same as always.

Ahm drunk driving right now stho I am reeeeelly getting ar kick out of dese replies

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

The mere fact that they let the powerful get away with it doesn't mean that's not the purpose of DUI laws.


The scam is things like red light tickets and speeding tickets. Most of the former come from setting the yellow too short, most of the latter come from setting the limit too low.

If the officers and their relatives enjoyed the vehicles, they were offered the opportunity to purchase them at discounts of up to 75 percent. For example, Aimie Mokwa "rented" a one-year-old Dodge Neon that had been impounded in May 2001. In September 2002 when she flipped the Neon after crashing into two parked cars on perfectly dry pavement.

Not a sentence. That's some nice article writing, Lou.

Hey now! If the guys with the badges and guns want to do this sort of thing, that's their priority and there's nothing John Q. Public can or should do about it. I mean, the police are putting their lives on the line to pretect us from the worst evil in society, right. If you're bitiching about it here, it's only because you're jealous and couldn't pass the civil service test!

/ Couldn't keep a strait face.
// For every crooked cop, there's ten trying to be his buddy and get in on that action.

Sickening.

Her choice of cars is criminal.

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

Yes. I am.

Looks like somebody hit it.

Psssstt..... a secret....

....cops don't like the dui laws either.

....however everyone has a job to do mouths to feed etc etc. The real funny thing is ITG's seem to think cops are different then a typical office. You got the blow hard, the slut, the geeks, asskissers and most often a bunch of good guys and gals that do a great job, go unnoticed and rarely get into trouble....

/reality is boring.

CheddarPants: Weaver95: shiat like this really pisses me off. If this happened in my community, I'd find out who those officers were and make sure that they lost their jobs AND did farking federal time for corruption.

I agree with you 100%, but if you actually tried to do this, you'd likely wind up dead before any officer served so much as a day of federal time.

1. How exactly would he "make sure they lost their jobs and did federal time"? It's in the newspaper right now. It's public knowledge. If any feds care to take action on it, they will. This one guy getting mad on the internet isn't really going to matter.
2. Really, you think the cops would execute a random guy on the internet who was mad about a little personal favors for family? Get real.

Weaver95

anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

Nice logic there, chief. Some people who enforce DUI laws are corrupt, therefore all DUI laws are evil.

Whatever, I'd rather live with the fact that there are inevitably going to be some corrupt police officers who sieze cars and cut their own some slack, than to have drunk-driving assholes feeling free to ride around without any possibility of punishment.

/driving with 0.08? Take their car and throw their public-danger ass in jail.

Nevermind the DUI aspect, here's the real shenanigans:

"If the officers and their relatives enjoyed the vehicles, they were offered the opportunity to purchase them at discounts of up to 75 percent. [...] Aimie Mokwa replaced the Neon with a 1999 Ford Escort that she purchased from the tow company for $1100, even though its book value was at least $3750."

$2600 discount? A business isn't going to be throwing that kind of money out the door unless there's getting something far more concrete than a "reservoir of future good will."

Dollars to donuts (pardon the idiom :), there's something else going on here.

Cops are farking worthless. For every "good" cop in America there's nine scumbags.

aerojockey:

Whatever, I'd rather live with the fact that there are inevitably going to be some corrupt police officers who sieze cars and cut their own some slack, than to have drunk-driving assholes feeling free to ride around without any possibility of punishment.

You would have hated the 70s.

That's some fine police work there, Louis.

peewinkle
Ahm drunk driving right now stho I am reeeeelly getting ar kick out of dese replies

Thread over.
( but only if you make it home)

davynelson: How these seizure laws get past the supreme court as constitutional is beyond me.

Innocent people lose their vehicles, their homes, their livelihoods. And by the time they're proven innocent, it's too late to get back any of those things.

They have 30 days to get it (the car) back. If they can't be bothered to claim their car, etc., etc.

Had my car towed. Went through hoops for 3 hours on a work day to get it out and had to pay $160. But I have my car.

Last October, she bought a 1999 Dodge Dakota for $850, even though the vehicle was worth at least $5025.

The deals keep getting better!

*joins in the rage against the system*

Weaver95: On Friday, the St. Louis Board of Police Commissioners released the report of a private law firm hired by the department to investigate the free car program. It concluded no laws were broken.

That is obviously not true at all. There are laws on the books that prevent government employees from accepting gifts in excess of a certain (small) dollar amount. Also such gifts have to be reported as income. And I could argue the case that the law firm by giving patently false advice is participating in a conspiracy to cover up a crime.

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

No, because they are far too LENIENT in the US.

Meth is one hellova drug.

Weaver95: shiat like this really pisses me off. If this happened in my community, I'd find out who those officers were and make sure that they lost their jobs AND did farking federal time for corruption.

If the people of Missouri have a lick of sense, that very shiat you talk of should be hitting the fan any day now.

The media will probably have a field day with this (along with the opposing party this voting season), which of course, is going to have whomever is up for election this November demanding heads on platters. Let's hope so...

/corruption sucks
//not doing a damn thing about it after finding out sucks worse...

Everyone knows the KGB controls everything in this communist country. Oh wait...

I dated a police chief's daughter years ago and that chick was completely wild and out of control. Course it was cool to get pulled over and let go just because you were with "the police chief's daughter".

Didn't rtfa, but I did look at the picture.

/looks like it was her pimp's payday

/Youuuuu raaaaaaaaaaang?

yep, figured she was white

Allo Allo!

I have friends in St. Louis. They tell me that several people who had cars seized were acquitted, and are suing the city of St Louis after their cars were sold at auction for a song. I hope they bankrupt them!

davynelson: How these seizure laws get past the supreme court as constitutional is beyond me.

This has nothing to do with seizure laws. If a car is left at the impound lot for over 30 days, the impound lot takes ownership. That's pretty common, but usually they auction them off. Once the car belongs to them though, they can do whatever they want with it, even rent it to the drunk daughter of the chief.

What's really wrong here is that the cop that took the accident didn't have the balls to arrest the chief's drunk daughter.

Oh, and contrary to several posts here, there's not any profit in arresting drunk drivers. Sorry.

the cops must not have had their notepads
"I use mine all the time what have you done with yours?" "check it out"


\second hot fuzz ref today :-/

The last time I was at a bar and drove home, someone called the police when I left and I got stopped 2 blocks from my house.

All total, I spent about $13k, including time in half-way house, house arrest, and having to pay for everyday of probation; 5 years worth.

Here in my city the young punk son of the police chief,would steal shiat off impounded cars like stereos,rims,and sell them,got caught breaking the law all the time and get a free pass every single time,I hated that bastard,the chiefs daughter on the other hand was a fake check casher,got caught one time,threatened the employee "you dont know who your messing with",cops got there didnt arrest her,cops exact words were,"follow us back to the police station"......"so yeah fark the police"

I'd hit it like a baby seal.

\with a club

Where's cruisertwelve or whatever his name is. Hey cruiser...whatta got to say about this shiat? You doing this in your city?

tzzhc4: I dated a police chief's daughter years ago and that chick was completely wild and out of control. Course it was cool to get pulled over and let go just because you were with "the police chief's daughter".


Only thing better is Minister's daughter's, they're easy.

Weaver95: anyone out there still deluded enough to believe that DUI laws are there to 'stop teh drunks'?

DUI laws do, indeed, stop drunks. That's not the problem.

It's the impound laws that are the problem. Any time a local, state, or even the federal government can make money by seizing private property, it's a bad idea - especially with a looming recession. There's lots of incentive to seize private property, and little to no incentive to return it, even if the people involved are found innocent.

Combine this with the recent spate of eminent domain seizures, and you wonder if private citizens are allowed to "own" anything.

tzzhc4: I dated a police chief's daughter years ago and that chick was completely wild and out of control. Course it was cool to get pulled over and let go just because you were with "the police chief's daughter".

Yeah, but what happened after you two broke up?