Nuh uh! Because.....what was I saying dude?

What were we talkin bout?

What were we just talking about?

Awesome. Now when you have sex with your Vegan girlfriend, 15 minutes later she'll totally forget about it. Then she'll agree to do it again like it was the first time that day!

Something about boning toejam?

The majority of scientists, and many of the doctors that i know partake in the green. So these guys were probably just sad they didn't get invited to the party.

skinink: Awesome. Now when you have sex with your Vegan girlfriend, 15 minutes later she'll totally forget about it. Then she'll agree to do it again like it was the first time that day!

Maybe she will also forget that she doesn't swallow.

The Angry Hand of God: skinink: Awesome. Now when you have sex with your Vegan girlfriend, 15 minutes later she'll totally forget about it. Then she'll agree to do it again like it was the first time that day!

Maybe she will also forget that she doesn't swallow.

nope she's vegan, no animal products.

I sent a similar article to my ex, she wrote back that it was all lies paid for by the meat industry. Just for sh*ts and grins I think I'll send her this one too.

the dangers of relying on correlation.

or...

Will the Data Deluge Makes the Scientific Method Obsolete?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/anderson08/anderson08_index.html (new window)

Farking Zardwarks: The majority of scientists, and many of the doctors that i know partake in the green. So these guys were probably just sad they didn't get invited to the party.

Science is not for people who enjoy reality then.

Puff puff give. Don't be a Johnny Two Tokes.

Pass the soy! There's more than a few memories that I would like erased.

However, other factors can't be excluded. In Indonesia, formaldehyde, a highly reactive cancer-causing agent that is sometimes used to preserve foods like tofu, may be partially responsible for the increased risk of memory loss.

The study also found somehow fermented tofu was linked to improved memory.


Ok, just to make sure...

Formaldehyde bad.
Alcohol good.

Gotcha. I was already thinking along those line anyway, but this article confirms it.

shiat.

Wait, what?

The study also found somehow fermented tofu was linked to improved memory.




I just threw up in my mouth a little at the thought of rotten fermented tofu.

mikaloyd: Farking Zardwarks: The majority of scientists, and many of the doctors that i know partake in the green. So these guys were probably just sad they didn't get invited to the party.

Science is not for people who enjoy reality then.

No, science is for people who know what hurts you and what doesn't, and can think for themselves.
And if anyone thinks weed is an 'escape from reality', then they're the deluded one. Alcohol is the same thing, if not worse.

Farking Zardwarks: And if anyone thinks weed is an 'escape from reality', then they're the deluded one.

You have obviously never smoked good stuff.

soy/hippie/weed

Who cares?

/at least about hippies

I predict that farkers will carefully weigh and evaluate the evidence using credible scientific sources, and we will all come away with a richer understanding of the issue.

Or not.

From the abstract (new window):

Background/Aims: Cell culture studies suggest that phytoestrogens, abundant in soy products such as tempe and tofu, could protect against cognitive decline. Paradoxically, the Honolulu Asia Aging Study reported an increased risk for cognitive impairment and other dementia markers with high tofu (soybean curd) intake. Methods: A cross-sectional study was carried out in 2 rural sites (Borobudur and Sumedang) and 1 urban site (Jakarta) among mainly Javanese and Sundanese elderly (n = 719, 52-98 years of age). Memory was measured using a word learning test sensitive to dementia and soy consumption was assessed using Food Frequency Questionnaire items. Results: High tofu consumption was associated with worse memory ... while high tempe consumption (a fermented whole soybean product) was independently related to better memory ... particularly in participants over 68 years of age. Fruit consumption also had an independent positive association. The analyses were controlled for age, sex, education, site and intake of other foods. Conclusion: The results for tofu consumption as a risk factor for low memory function may tie in with the Honolulu Asia Aging Study data. It is unclear whether these negative associations could be attributed to potential toxins or to its phytoestrogen levels. Estrogen (through which receptors phytoestrogens can exert effects) was found to increase dementia risk in women over 65 years of age. Tempe contains high levels of phytoestrogens, but (due to fermentation) also exhibits high folate levels which may exert protective effects. Future studies should validate these findings and investigate potential mechanisms.

So if you are anti-soy, use the increased dementia wording and hit your opponents over the head with it. If you are pro-soy, use the statement about improved memory from tempe consumption, and hit your opponents over the head with it. Repeat as needed.

Farking Zardwarks: The majority of scientists, and many of the doctors that i know partake in the green. So these guys were probably just sad they didn't get invited to the party.

"Scientist" is a pretty broad term. And it seems to stand in many people's minds as "guy who knows everything and never shows bad judgement." My brother was a 4.0 student who was always way ahead of his class. All it did for him was lead him into ridiculous arrogance, so that he automatically assumed that every weird thing that flitted through his mind must be correct because he thought of it. Smart people make the same dumb decisions everyone else does, they just think their ideas are always born out of intelligence.

As for soy: I thought the proving ground for soy was the culture of Japan. Didn't read the article. Are Japanese folks suffering memory loss?

Short term memory is overrated.

I just threw up in my mouth a little at the thought of rotten fermented tofu.

Now imagine that vomit flavor only much stronger, and thats natto. I had this in a sushi restaurant once. My friend saw my face and knew he didn't want any. Then I called him a coward, and he ate it, the fool.

It wouldn't be so bad if the flavor didn't last for 10 minutes. And the smell, oh god.

Squidgilum: Are Japanese folks suffering memory loss?

They don't remember.

Squidgilum:
"Scientist" is a pretty broad term. And it seems to stand in many people's minds as "guy who knows everything and never shows bad judgement." My brother was a 4.0 student who was always way ahead of his class. All it did for him was lead him into ridiculous arrogance, so that he automatically assumed that every weird thing that flitted through his mind must be correct because he thought of it. Smart people make the same dumb decisions everyone else does, they just think their ideas are always born out of intelligence.


hmmm. ok, I'll narrow my definitions:
scientist: one who does novel research for a career.
doctor: one who uses medicine to cure ailments in people.

So, the people I work with are scientists, and doctors, and I guess we just have the self-control to not overdo it, because we all seem to be doing pretty ok.

your brother is one example, and it sounds like he was ayoung man full of piss-and-vinegar. His arrogance and bad decisions are par for the course at that age.

the real hippies ate meat.

newager not= hippy

Archie Godwin:
This just HAS to be true because only doctors and scientists would call it "partaking in the green"

haha, ok. 'smoke'.

/i don't do it too often
//not up with the lingo
///lawn, off.

Once again, the same study reported in a different venue gets the green(light).

Less hippy lettuce mods, your long term memory is pretty rotten too...

Archie Godwin: Actually my buddy in high school used to call it the same thing. He also was one of the dorks that would try and make everyone shut up when Stairway to Heaven came on the radio because he thought it was spiritual or something. So I have bad memories of that saying.

It IS spiritual, maaaaan. Don't you get it? She's BUYING a stairway to HEAVEN man! That's intense!

/Also see main-page Pope thread.

Edziak:
Now imagine that vomit flavor only much stronger, and thats natto.

did someone say natto???

NATTO (new window)

re-elect_jimmy_carter: the real hippies ate meat.

newager not= hippy

THIS.

Association does not equal causation. I hate these kinds of studies. They mean nothing.

mikaloyd: The study also found somehow fermented tofu was linked to improved memory.

I just threw up in my mouth a little at the thought of rotten fermented tofu.

Miso soup.

Someone posted an article about this on the fridge of my co-op two years ago (along with other health issues from eating way too much freakin' soy). After someone went through and wrote out hysterical rebuttals on the margin of the sheet, it got thrown in the recycle bin, then got disappeared after we threw it back up.

Look, people: EVERYTHING IS GOOD IN MODERATION. If you want to be a vegan, great. Stop being such a lazy-ass about it and balance your diet properly. All those old folks in Japan with great health and age? They didn't eat just soy - it's only a small percentage of what they eat.

Fish, veggies, rice. Cooked well. There you go.

One of the vigilante vegans in my house was dating the kid who bought our food, and somehow, "problems" kept coming up with the milk/egg/cheese orders. Happily, she slept with his friend, they all left the house, and we could eat decently again.

I've lived with vegans who didn't say a thing about my food habits (since I'm super-vigilant about cleaning, especially with raw meat around). They influenced my habits WAY more than the look-at-me-with-daggers vegans. The quiet ones just did their thing, and taught me how to cook kale and tofu and lentils.

The other ones just led me to buy bacon out of spite.

I'm anemic, and I know I don't have the time/money/energy to eat vegetarian 100% of the time and not see my iron plummet. And even if I wasn't, you're not my effing judge and jury. They could ask, and find out I buy almost everything local, including my grass-fed and free-range meat (I'd rather it be local than organic shipped from God-knows-where)... But it shouldn't matter. However, I'm sure the feeling of moral superiority is nice.

/Vigilante vegans
//I hate vigilante vegans

zekebullseye: Association does not equal causation. I hate these kinds of studies. They mean nothing.

come on, you think they just compared the two numbers and said "Look! Tofu = DementiaZOMGONESIES!!!1"

No, they had to have had controls, and sampling restrictions, and power analyses and statistically robust methodology. Just like any other scientific study published in a peer-reviewed journal.

That being said, anytime humans are part of the study, there is a larger than normal chance for reporting error.

JETSOLVER: Once again, the same study reported in a different venue gets the green(light).

Less hippy lettuce mods, your long term memory is pretty rotten too...

Yup, repeat.

Don't know where this "hurr hurr stupid hippie vegetarians eating soy" thing came from. There's hundreds of millions of Asians eating soy that outnumber that tiny group.

Tofu farts are a tool of the devil to make all of us eat more pork (trust me I've seen it) I fight the devil by eating only baked seitan the vegan Meat o the debil!!!!!!

Please excuse the lack of web-fu I'm retarded
http://www.postpunkkitchen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=15959

"Don't know where this "hurr hurr stupid hippie vegetarians eating soy" thing came from. There's hundreds of millions of Asians eating soy that outnumber that tiny group."

Good point.

Besides, vegetarians don't need to eat only soy. I'm a veggie and I actually don't like the stuff - beans and eggs are my protein. But soy problems aside, who cares what somebody does or doesn't eat?

Unless they push it on you. At which point, they deserve the backlash.

FunkOut: JETSOLVER: Once again, the same study reported in a different venue gets the green(light).

Less hippy lettuce mods, your long term memory is pretty rotten too...

Yup, repeat.

Don't know where this "hurr hurr stupid hippie vegetarians eating soy" thing came from. There's hundreds of millions of Asians eating soy that outnumber that tiny group.

Millions of Asians also eat good food that isn't soy based - brown rice, veggies, fish, etc.

How many hippie vegetarians do you know who eat cereal for breakfast with soy milk, tempeh for lunch, tofu patties for dinner, and a Tofuttti snack for dessert? Cause I know plenty, mainly because they're too lazy to soak the lentils the night before and plan ahead.

THAT'S the problem. Sheesh.

Relying on one thing for the bulk of your diet is bad no matter what it is, be it French Fries or grapefruit... you're gonna miss other important vitamins and minerals there.

I don't hate on the hippies. I don't hate on the vegetarian Buddhists. I just hate on folks who thrive on false feelings of moral superiority. For some reason, they annoy the f--k out of me.

That said, I have Toffutti ice cream sandwiches in my freezer, and I'm gonna have one tonight. Yum.

/work is play
//Tofutti break today!

FunkOut:
Don't know where this "hurr hurr stupid hippie vegetarians eating soy" thing came from. There's hundreds of millions of Asians eating soy that outnumber that tiny group.

Thats because Asian chicks are hot, vegan chicks are just annoying.

freakdiablo: FunkOut:
Don't know where this "hurr hurr stupid hippie vegetarians eating soy" thing came from. There's hundreds of millions of Asians eating soy that outnumber that tiny group.

Thats because Asian chicks are hot, vegan chicks are just annoying.

No, the loudmouth vegan chicks are annoying. Kinda like how everyone makes assumptions and judgments about certain religions because the hypocritical dumbasses are always the loudest.

/gotta represent some of my good friends
//all fine lookin-ladies
///you wouldn't know they were veggie/vegan unless you tried to take them to Outback for dinner

You-ness, me-ness, uss-ness, wee-ness
I'm full of granola and I'm trying to come to terms with granola.
A cult kidnapped our daughter and it really kinda hit us where we live.

/I can't think about counter-cultures or alternative lifestyles without thinking of that movie.
/obscure elsewhere, probably not at Fark

Boned, am I? And just exactly what is all this crucial shiat I'm going to be "boned" if I don't remember? How many Armenians live in West Covina? The weekend and holiday schedules for the Culver City Bus line? Whether ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, or the other way round?

Uh-huh. Just as I thought.
Truth is, I know way too much shiat, and the less of it I can remember, the better. My dad is 93 years old, and can't remember a Goddamn thing. And he's the happiest man I know.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Relying on one thing for the bulk of your diet is bad no matter what it is, be it French Fries or grapefruit... you're gonna miss other important vitamins and minerals there.

Especially tofu is a heavy staple source of protein in Indonesia. A country where a heavy presence of Islam (with a tinge of Hinduism) and vegetable based food is common, it's obvious that tofu is more relied in Indonesia than in East Asia.

Anyone who thinks about it should have known this. Soy products are cut with alum with is an aluminum based product. this causes alzheimers.

http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=99

Farking Zardwarks: The Angry Hand of God:

Maybe she will also forget that she doesn't swallow.

nope she's vegan, no animal products.

Vegans only eat animals that want to be eaten. Any other excuse and she's just not that into you.

re-elect_jimmy_carter: the real hippies ate meat.

newager not= hippy

Just ask Owsley.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: FunkOut: JETSOLVER: Once again, the same study reported in a different venue gets the green(light).

Less hippy lettuce mods, your long term memory is pretty rotten too...

Yup, repeat.

Don't know where this "hurr hurr stupid hippie vegetarians eating soy" thing came from. There's hundreds of millions of Asians eating soy that outnumber that tiny group.

Millions of Asians also eat good food that isn't soy based - brown rice, veggies, fish, etc.

How many hippie vegetarians do you know who eat cereal for breakfast with soy milk, tempeh for lunch, tofu patties for dinner, and a Tofuttti snack for dessert? Cause I know plenty, mainly because they're too lazy to soak the lentils the night before and plan ahead.

THAT'S the problem. Sheesh.

Relying on one thing for the bulk of your diet is bad no matter what it is, be it French Fries or grapefruit... you're gonna miss other important vitamins and minerals there.

I don't hate on the hippies. I don't hate on the vegetarian Buddhists. I just hate on folks who thrive on false feelings of moral superiority. For some reason, they annoy the f--k out of me.

That said, I have Toffutti ice cream sandwiches in my freezer, and I'm gonna have one tonight. Yum.

/work is play
//Tofutti break today!

Somebody here correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Asians generally eat white rice.

wellfark: Anyone who thinks about it should have known this. Soy products are cut with alum with is an aluminum based product. this causes alzheimers.

Psst. Soy is making kids ghey. Link (new window)

/shamelessly hotlinked