You're an asshole submitter.

"At the drop of a dime, I'd just get upset over something that was ridiculous,"

I laughed and laughed and laughed.

sepuku2: You're an asshole submitter.

this

You blow for shrimpheads, submitter.

So Subby, was it to warm outside in San Fran to picket some soldiers funeral and that's why you bring your asshattery here?

Actually, I'm an Army vet attending college (getting a kick, blah, blah) and the submitter is 100% correct. I have to go pick up and bathe my own sorority chicks. Would be a lot easier if they were delivered.

+1 subby.

I have no words for the submitters douchebaggery.

That was a good article though.

Stupid med-school rejects. Have fun inspecting cat anuses for the rest of your lives.

What gives you the right to deny our nations veterans of the their well deserved sorority women, submitter? I say bring them all the sorority girls they want!

/Just leave two or three for me.
//Not the fat ugly girls that somehow make it in.

As veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq return to campus, many are finding that colleges and universities are only beginning to figure out how to help soldiers, sailors and others transition back to civilian, social and academic life.

Since when is this a university's job? Surely the military should fit the bill for the damage it does to its former employees.

I laughed at subbys headline, read the article and still think the headline is funny so i'm getting a kick, etc etc.

/yay vets!

employees told him they couldn't answer his questions because he wasn't yet a student. Later, he found himself wandering the Ann Arbor campus trying to figure out how to use his military benefits to pay tuition.

Mmhmm. This is about the same for ANY freshman. The people who run universities are generally IDIOTS, the same as any other education administrator. Subby is right. He thinks he deserves special treatment because he's in the military? He can get lost in the bureaucracy and red tape like the rest of the students.

LordImpaler: Actually, I'm an Army vet attending college (getting a kick, blah, blah) and the submitter is 100% correct. I have to go pick up and bathe my own sorority chicks. Would be a lot easier if they were delivered.

Would you accept dirty sorority chicks as partial apology?

/not submitter
//even I have ethics, you just wont see them often

bigforearms: As veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq return to campus, many are finding that colleges and universities are only beginning to figure out how to help soldiers, sailors and others transition back to civilian, social and academic life.

Since when is this a university's job? Surely the military should fit the bill for the damage it does to its former employees.

Hey! They only have 600 billion dollars a year! Get off their back!

As a vet that went to College after getting out I'm getting a kick...

Ok, seriously. I am a vet and did go to college after my stint in the AF. Mississippi State University has a GREAT Veterans Assistance department. It might have something to do with Sonny Montgomery(Author of the Montgomery G.I. Bill) attended MSU. But I also think it has to do with the people who work for the department. I graduated in 2004 and now work for MSU. On occasion I will see one of the ladies that helped me and she still remembers my name. If you are a veteran and are thinking about getting an education I suggest MSU. You won't be disappointed.

"United States colleges and universities are going to be looking at students coming in with mental problems," said R L Widmann, an English professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder and immediate past chairman of the school's faculty council. "We have to serve this population and serve this population well."

Nevermind, it looks like they're throwing them in the pot with all the other crazy students.

/should read the whole article.

I stopped trying to use my Wisconsin state veteran benefits because they're so hard to use. The veteran administration must get bonuses based on how much they can screw vets out of. My undergrad paperwork consisted of a pre-pre-approval form, a pre-approval form, an approval form, and a post-approval form, which needed to be filled out every semester to maintain your benefits. I missed the filing date on one by less than 24 hours, over a holiday weekend, and my benefits were denied for the semester.

Never join the military.

To be fair to the vets, I found that the Administrators at my college are inept at handling any situation that occurs outside standard operating procedure. I had problems resolving some missing credits for a class, and the person in charge of accounting majors was horrible in fixing my problem. So I'm not surprised that something more complicated (handling students on a GI bill) is giving them the admins fits. Good luck to you vets, you'll need it.

So they don't get the help they need. How is this different from the average person? You know what college is? It's a parent symbolically throwing you to the wolves.

doomjesse: So they don't get the help they need. How is this different from the average person? You know what college is? It's a parent symbolically throwing you to the wolves.

Did you go to Romulus and Remus U?

sepuku2
You're an asshole submitter.

THIS!

mikaloyd

Did you go to Romulus and Remus U?

No but close. :)

doomjesse

Except in many cases, they've already been thrown to the wolves by our illustrious gubmit. That being said, if they can figure out staying alive in a war zone, surely they can figure out college more quickly than your average idiot 18 year old fresh out of high school.

You don't want me here? OK, fine. I WILL come here."

Thats what IRAQ said! Oooh!! Burn!!!

"bigforearms 2008-07-20 11:17:11 AM "

"Since when is this a university's job? Surely the military should fit the bill for the damage it does to its former employees."

It is the University's job because they are accepting Federal funds. It the same hammer the feds use for everything. You allow students to use Federal Student Loans, you are required to meet certain Federal reporting standards. The feds do it to everyone. It's basically an unfunded federal mandate.

fark you, tardmitter.

I laughed subby. Because it's TRUE

bigforearms: As veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq return to campus, many are finding that colleges and universities are only beginning to figure out how to help soldiers, sailors and others transition back to civilian, social and academic life.

Since when is this a university's job? Surely the military should fit the bill for the damage it does to its former employees.

Is it the university's job to make college easier for transgendered black people? Nope. Doesn't stop them from doing it though.

They're after sorority women? Good thing they're vets with all that biohazard training.

If only the vets represented some pet leftist cause, the universities would be tripping over themselves to 'accommodate' them.

doomjesse: You know what college is? It's a parent symbolically throwing you to the wolves an opportunity to do things like a grownup.

Hey, fixed, etc.

Pleisa: doomjesse

Except in many cases, they've already been thrown to the wolves by our illustrious gubmit. That being said, if they can figure out staying alive in a war zone, surely they can figure out college more quickly than your average idiot 18 year old fresh out of high school.

Exactly. I started college at 24 and had such an edge on everyone else, especially with the women. The 18-26 learning curve is so steep.

I worked in financial aid while in college, and it was sad how many vets expected the university to do EVERYTHING for them. I just assumed it was SOP for post-military folks who where used to being told when and how to do everything. Hand them a form and pencil, and they were lost. What do you put on line 3? Oh, that's the line for your address. WTF dude, that's pretty damned slow of you.



/some where better than others
//life is like that

Now now.... Sorority women generally bathe themselves. Its the hippy activist women who need it.

Now, I am intrigued by this woman-delivery notion. I think it could be a viable business model.

That having been said, I find this article's premises dubious. Veterens have been going to college after service for generations. If vets are really having problems with colleges and universities, perhaps tits teh colleges and universities which have changed.

FTA: ""I was frustrated and angry and disappointed," said Blumke, 26, a former gunship maintenance supervisor who's now a senior studying political science and psychology at Michigan. "That frustration and anger turned into motivation. You don't want me here? OK, fine. I WILL come here.""

Okay, the part that this guy percieves that the college doesn't want him there is not elaborated. Why would he think that? Misperception on his part or a genuine hostility toward vets?

Much of the article is stuff and nonsense, imo. the writer missing the issue and focusing on easy but trivial points. Vets being older? So what? See above about vets going to college after service for a long time now, not to mention 5th year seniors, grad students and other older students on campus. That can't really be a big issue. There were several vets in my freshman class. The women were all over them.

/end rant

Count me as one of those who got a chuckle out of the headline :)

Thankfully, when I left active duty back in the day, I attended a university who had a retired 1SG running the Veteran's Affairs office. He was good people, and he knew pretty much everything you could hope to ask.

Did I miss something in the headline? Why all the hate? Does the subby hate America in some nefarious way that I missed?

SouthParkCon: So Subby, was it to too warm outside in San Fran Topeka, Kansas to picket some soldiers funeral and that's why you bring your asshattery here?

FTFY. Rev. Phelps and his crew are a bunch of God Fearin' Real Americans from America's Heartland.

I'm a bit unclear on the point here as well. I was never in the military and I had many of the same issues that are mentioned in the article when I first went to college. I'm not dissing the military here but it seems like USA Today is manufacturing a story where there isn't one. Substitute "freshman" for "veteran" and the story reads much the same.

On another note, did anyone else think...

"She also helped start an on-campus veterans group, Cougar Vets,...."

... might be kinda hot?

Awesome headline, subby. :)

/ex-military student

mikaloyd: LordImpaler: Actually, I'm an Army vet attending college (getting a kick, blah, blah) and the submitter is 100% correct. I have to go pick up and bathe my own sorority chicks. Would be a lot easier if they were delivered.

Would you accept dirty sorority chicks as partial apology?

/not submitter
//even I have ethics, you just wont see them often

Ok, fine. I'll just run 'em through standard decon when they get here.

Of all the people I've known that have been to Afganistan and Iraq, none of them have come back with "mental problems". Of all of the people I know that were in Viet Nam, none of them have "mental problems". I think the media interviews as many Vets as they can until they get one quote that fits their world view.

I'll admit to getting a chuckle out of the headline, because it's true. I went to my cousin's going-away party about a month ago, just before his deployment. I am a Penn State student: his one request of me was that I get him football tickets and cheerleaders when he got back from Iraq. (My dad found this quite amusing)

moothemagiccow: Mmhmm. This is about the same for ANY freshman. The people who run universities are generally IDIOTS, the same as any other education administrator.


Pretty much all of the top brass at major universities are smarter than YOU are. You just don't like the decisions that they make because they don't kiss your ass.

InnerMonkey: I worked in financial aid while in college, and it was sad how many vets new students expected the university to do EVERYTHING for them. I just assumed it was SOP for post-military folks 18-year-olds who where used to being told when and how to do everything.

This is a problem endemic to more than a handful of kids graduating high school nowadays. See: helicopter parents

InnerMonkey: Did I miss something in the headline? Why all the hate? Does the subby hate America in some nefarious way that I missed?

I think one person jumped on it, and then some kind of moral outrage epidemic happened. I'm starting to think Farkers have no real minds of their own.

InnerMonkey: Did I miss something in the headline? Why all the hate? Does the subby hate America in some nefarious way that I missed?

He called me and my associates who went to college after the Army "snowflakes".

It was a bit of a drag, but I have to confess that it isn't the job of the University to "assist in Sgt Fireclowns transition into civillian society". That's my job.

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Satan's Superfluous Nipple: Of all the people I've known that have been to Afganistan and Iraq, none of them have come back with "mental problems".

There are plenty, sad to say. TBIs are a big problem, aside from the more widely reported on PTSD.