Classic. I thought for sure the quote "we're farked" was imagined by subby, but no, there it was in the article!

Now that's straight talk!

McCain really is screwed too. If he gets out of Iraq, he looks even weaker to his (already diminished) base. If he says 'we stay in iraq' he looks like a hypocritical asshole in deep with the piggish oil companies.

The chaos into which Iraq will descend is the one good argument for staying.

If they're willing to take responsibility for it, great.

ArbitraryConstant: The chaos into which Iraq will descend is the one good argument for staying.

If they're willing to take responsibility for it, great.

The lawfully elected government is asking us to leave. Regardless of our opinion of their ability to remain in power, we have to bail out if that's what they want.

I think haliburton is gonna have a heart attack tho.

Remember: Service guarantees citizenship.

This is delicious.

The only issue that voters trusted McCain on more than Obama is literally being ripped from beneath him in the span of about a week. If Obama conducts himself in a "presidential" manner for the duration of his trip, this week could turn out to be his best week of the campaign.

And McCain only has himself to blame.

Howie Spankowitz: The only issue that voters trusted McCain on more than Obama is literally being ripped from beneath him in the span of about a week. If Obama conducts himself in a "presidential" manner for the duration of his trip, this week could turn out to be his best week of the campaign.

And McCain only has himself to blame.

Depends on how McCain handles this. Or if it actually comes up in press conferences.

Weaver95: The lawfully elected government is asking us to leave. Regardless of our opinion of their ability to remain in power, we have to bail out if that's what they want.

I think haliburton is gonna have a heart attack tho.

This. It's not our call whether or not we need to intervene in another country's affairs - it's theirs.

And yeah - Haliburton will freak. Bechtel, too. As a matter of fact,there are tons of companies who are now depending on staying in Iraq to keep themselves like pigs in shiat. I, for one, will be glad to see them get poked in the eye a little.

Benevolent Misanthrope: And yeah - Haliburton will freak. Bechtel, too. As a matter of fact,there are tons of companies who are now depending on staying in Iraq to keep themselves like pigs in shiat. I, for one, will be glad to see them get poked in the eye a little.

And if the Iraqi's have any balls-- and any sense of self-preservation at all-- they'll renegotiate those oil contracts. Void them and do them over.

Obdicut: Benevolent Misanthrope: And yeah - Haliburton will freak. Bechtel, too. As a matter of fact,there are tons of companies who are now depending on staying in Iraq to keep themselves like pigs in shiat. I, for one, will be glad to see them get poked in the eye a little.

And if the Iraqi's have any balls-- and any sense of self-preservation at all-- they'll renegotiate those oil contracts. Void them and do them over.

From your mouth to Maliki's ear, m'dear. I'm actually enjoying walking rather than driving, so if oil stays high, I'll survive.

this thread has given me the hemorrhoids

Weaver95: Depends on how McCain handles this. Or if it actually comes up in press conferences.

Y'know, I think it's really useless and whiny to say, "If Obama did that, the press would... yadda yadda yadda..." But I must admit, once - just once - I'd like to see the press get hold of one of his many, many blunders and hammer the ever-loving shiat out of it. Like they do on every tiny mouse fart in the Obama camp.

BossRotton: this thread has given me the hemorrhoids

Imagine what it's doing to McCain right now.

LMBO

Benevolent Misanthrope: Weaver95: Depends on how McCain handles this. Or if it actually comes up in press conferences.

Y'know, I think it's really useless and whiny to say, "If Obama did that, the press would... yadda yadda yadda..." But I must admit, once - just once - I'd like to see the press get hold of one of his many, many blunders and hammer the ever-loving shiat out of it. Like they do on every tiny mouse fart in the Obama camp.

oddly enough, I don't blame the press for that. I think McCain's staffers do their level best to try and keep their boss off the air as much as possible. he just doesn't look good on tv.

Weaver95: BossRotton: this thread has given me the hemorrhoids

Imagine what it's doing to McCain right now.

Why do McCain's super-ultra-turbo-hemmoroids hate America?

Weaver95: The lawfully elected government is asking us to leave. Regardless of our opinion of their ability to remain in power, we have to bail out if that's what they want.

Yes. National sovereignty and all that.

I hope this makes it into all of the Sunday morning political shows. I saw online, of course, but I haven't seen television coverage of it yet. (This may have more to do with my wife hijacking the television, though.)

And if this really came out because a White House staffer sent an email to the wrong list...

Anaxphone: And if this really came out because a White House staffer sent an email to the wrong list...

sometimes I wonder if the rank and file workers in the Republican party are sabotaging Bush and McCain out of spite. After years of being pissed on by their bosses, they have to be resentful.

Howie Spankowitz: This is delicious.

The only issue that voters trusted McCain on more than Obama is literally being ripped from beneath him in the span of about a week. If Obama conducts himself in a "presidential" manner for the duration of his trip, this week could turn out to be his best week of the campaign.

And McCain only has himself to blame.

You talk about this like this will be reported on. This will never make the news. This story will not be talked about. I wish it would, but the media will not cover a story like this. They never cover what Maliki says. The only part of Obama's trip to Iraq that will be covered is showing him surrounded by troops, and any time he might misspeak. I wish I was wrong about this, but mark my words, this won't be covered.

GAT_00: You talk about this like this will be reported on. This will never make the news. This story will not be talked about. I wish it would, but the media will not cover a story like this. They never cover what Maliki says. The only part of Obama's trip to Iraq that will be covered is showing him surrounded by troops, and any time he might misspeak. I wish I was wrong about this, but mark my words, this won't be covered.

Some folks might be reluctant to cover the story....but it *will* make the national news. ignoring events like this only drives the bloggers into a frenzy, and that only speeds up the spread of information.

Weaver95: Some folks might be reluctant to cover the story....but it *will* make the national news. ignoring events like this only drives the bloggers into a frenzy, and that only speeds up the spread of information.

Oh hell yes, this will be spread on the internet. MSNBC might even cover it. But the Big 3, CNN, Fox? They won't touch it, and so the people who would be swayed by this story won't see it.

GAT_00: Oh hell yes, this will be spread on the internet. MSNBC might even cover it. But the Big 3, CNN, Fox? They won't touch it, and so the people who would be swayed by this story won't see it.

Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

Weaver95: Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

I hope you are right. I'd love the media to report the facts for a change. I'm just far too skeptical at this point.

GAT_00: Weaver95: Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

I hope you are right. I'd love the media to report the facts for a change. I'm just far too skeptical at this point.

I don't expect them to provide scholarly, in depth analysis. I'm sure they'll try to turn it into a circus event....but at least they WILL cover it.

GAT_00: Weaver95: Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

I hope you are right. I'd love the media to report the facts for a change. I'm just far too skeptical at this point.

Same here. I'd love to see it, but know in my heart that Joe Average, who gets his news from Katie Couric & Co. - or on a good day, CNN - will never see this story.

GAT_00: Weaver95: Some folks might be reluctant to cover the story....but it *will* make the national news. ignoring events like this only drives the bloggers into a frenzy, and that only speeds up the spread of information.

Oh hell yes, this will be spread on the internet. MSNBC might even cover it. But the Big 3, CNN, Fox? They won't touch it, and so the people who would be swayed by this story won't see it.

It's good news for the Democratic candidate (who by the way is a muslim atheist radical christian white black supremacist liberal who hates America and doesn't wear a flag pin or salute the flag during the Pledge, in case you haven't been following the campaign on Fox - oh, by the way, did they mention that he's black?) and bad news for the Republicans.

No way Fox is gonna cover this, even if CNN and MSNBC do.

Hell, they're probably gonna be the only ones to NOT cover this.

News reporting:CNN::Music videos:MTV

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

I hope you are right. I'd love the media to report the facts for a change. I'm just far too skeptical at this point.

I don't expect them to provide scholarly, in depth analysis. I'm sure they'll try to turn it into a circus event....but at least they WILL cover it.

I agree. The Obama camp will be (should be?) relentless in hammering home the message over and over on this. If they are smart, and they seem to be, they will set Obama up to talk about Bush on Iran and Maliki on withdrawal "coming over" to "his" foreign policy.

If Obama closes the gap with voters on this issue (where I believe many of the independents are), he could really take an advantage.

Howie Spankowitz: If they are smart, and they seem to be, they will set Obama up to talk about Bush on Iran and Maliki on withdrawal "coming over" to "his" foreign policy.

They've been pretty smart before. Not perfect, but fairly clever. They have seemed very cautious since Hillary suspended her campaign, however. I guess we'll have to wait and see how they play this one and how much the media will cover it.

McCain's camp has to be in overdrive right now, trying to figure out how to handle this one.

Anaxphone: McCain's camp has to be in overdrive right now, trying to figure out how to handle this one.

1. Panic
2. nap time!
3. viagra!
4. nap time.
5. call press conference, deride Maliki for not spending enough time in Iraq.
6. nap time.
7. panic!
8. nap time.
9. wonder what's all the commotion is all about. damn kids!
10. nap time.

Weaver95: Anaxphone: McCain's camp has to be in overdrive right now, trying to figure out how to handle this one.

1. Panic
2. nap time!
3. viagra!
4. nap time.
5. call press conference, deride Maliki for not spending enough time in Iraq.
6. nap time.
7. panic!
8. nap time.
9. wonder what's all the commotion is all about. damn kids!
10. nap time.

Okay that was funny.

You seem to have shifted back to hating McCain.

cameroncrazy1984: You seem to have shifted back to hating McCain.

I don't 'hate' either one of them. I just think that McCain is a weak candidate and destined to lose. Not that I like Obama much better, but I think he's up against a paper tiger from the Republicans.

11. Claim that Maliki's desire for self-rule is the result of an episode of "mental sovereignty?"

ObamaRepublican: Remember: Service guarantees citizenship.

Which is better than the reverse.

It's a pretty shrewd move by Malaki. He's obviously casting his lot with Obama, and recognizing the value of being on the good side of the new POTUS.

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: Weaver95: Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

I hope you are right. I'd love the media to report the facts for a change. I'm just far too skeptical at this point.

Same here. I'd love to see it, but know in my heart that Joe Average, who gets his news from Katie Couric & Co. - or on a good day, CNN - will never see this story.

Correct. The media wants a horse race so they can sell ad time.

Iraqi PM's spokeperson says he was misunderstood.

CougarJeff: Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: Weaver95: Again, I disagree. After Dan Rather got his ass kicked by the intertubes, the major news networks really started watching the net.

I hope you are right. I'd love the media to report the facts for a change. I'm just far too skeptical at this point.

Same here. I'd love to see it, but know in my heart that Joe Average, who gets his news from Katie Couric & Co. - or on a good day, CNN - will never see this story.

Correct. The media wants a horse race so they can sell ad time.

Yup. I called it a while back - all the news outlets will make a bog deal about how close all this is to sell ad airtime. Meanwhile, they give th weak candidate a bye and give the strong candidate UFIA. This in turn affects the election, because Joe Average believes his news anchor. And we could - God forbid - end up with 4 more years, even though it really isn't close at all.

Jeez. If we weren't all filthy rich (by most people's standards) and spoiled rotten, I'd leave America.

All the makings of a Freeper meltdown...

".....but hit the wrong button."
I don't believe that. Why wouldn't something like this happen on a less sensitive item? The McClellan factor is working here.

1 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:35:41 PM by Anti-Bubba182

Maybe it's just a Rovian trick. Bush is great at giving his enemies just enough rope to hang themselves, perhaps he figures Obama will start bragging and this will keep Iraq in the news.

4 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:41:32 PM by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)

LOL... Everyone misses the point....

THE SURGE WORKED....

The idiots on the left can's have it both ways they were for Retreat before they were for Victory. They were against the surge... therefore any point they make on removing troops at this point is moot... Obviously troops had every intention of drawing down when Al-Qiada was no longer a threat....

Too bad most of America gets duped by the rats into thinking that this was all part of "THEIR PLAN"....

16 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:55:24 PM by Typical_Whitey (Just wanted to be the first for a change so "Impeach Obama")

The McClellan Factor. That's it.

As for PM Maliki's sentiment, I tell you: when all is said and done, Muslims do and will support each other at the end of the day.

20 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:08:22 PM by Ben Reyes (Can I Buy Offset for My Carbon Footprint on Layaway?)


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The Iraqis have been asking for a time table since before 2004. If McCain is surprised by this then he really is as grossly out of touch as he seems.

Flab: Iraqi PM's spokeperson says he was misunderstood.

This is the third "misunderstanding" in a couple of weeks on this topic. Either Maliki is talking out of his mouth, in which case we are supporting a liar in Iraq who can't be trusted, or Bush is putting pressure on him.

This is so ridiculous. We are turning Iraq into a welfare state that will be perpetually dependent on America. Maliki suddenly asserts personal responsibility on behalf of the Iraqis, and conservatives go balistic.

'McClellan factor'?

And I hear that Bush listens to his commanders in the field. Whenever the game goes poorly for the repubs, they change the rules of the game. If this is true, Bush and McBush will come up with some new reasons why we should be there for a 100 years.

LocalCynic: Flab: Iraqi PM's spokeperson says he was misunderstood.

This is the third "misunderstanding" in a couple of weeks on this topic. Either Maliki is talking out of his mouth, in which case we are supporting a liar in Iraq who can't be trusted, or Bush is putting pressure on him.

This is so ridiculous. We are turning Iraq into a welfare state that will be perpetually dependent on America. Maliki suddenly asserts personal responsibility on behalf of the Iraqis, and conservatives go balistic.

You only get freedom to vote if you vote for who America likes. This has been our policy ever since we were able to enforce such a policy.

I'm a bit confused. Couldn't McCain simply tout the same reasoning the Iraqi government is using - that things have improved so much that we're no longer needed in a substantial combat role - and thus claim that his and others' efforts to make sure we didn't leave prematurely have resulted in victory? Where is the "we're screwed" coming from, exactly? It's no significant shift to say while it would have been ill advised to withdraw from Iraq a few years ago, doing so now represents not defeat but victory and so forth. Is it the use of the world timetable or something? As opposed to withdrawal peace with honor?

Ok so I haven't been up on the news for the last couple of days so I missed the beginning of this story...what's the deal with an email being sent to the wrong list?

LocalCynic: Maliki suddenly asserts personal responsibility on behalf of the Iraqis, and conservatives go balistic.

Or the Liberal press so badly wants Obama to be reunited with his Muslim brothers that they are making shiat up.

wyohome: Or the Liberal press so badly wants Obama to be reunited with his Muslim brothers that they are making shiat up.

huh?