I saw Charlie Wilson's War. Clearly, I'm the most qualified here to be president.

Until the man can have someone look at his own record, he really needs to just stay quiet about the other Congresscritter in the race...

Just some simple checking would clear up a lot of his more bone headed moments. That, and maybe not looking like a fish out of water when someone calls him on it...

But John McCain is a veteran, so it's okay for him to neglect his current job.

If Obama is Dr. No, McCain is Dr. D'oh!

I really don't like this idea that you can have a policy position on these issues without actually having been there. Hey, if visiting helps your position evolve, great. But it's a dumbass criticism to say you can't have any opinion otherwise.

It's NOT MCSAME'S FAULT! He was having his blood replaced when the Afganistan hearings were taking place.

i've never seen a more poorly managed campaign in all my life, and that includes the girl that ran for my high school's student counsel on a promise to remove pop machines from the school.

What a tool. Sounds like more of the same old, same old from the Blame Everyone Else First Congressmen.

What happened to you, John?

I_C_Weener: I saw Charlie Wilson's War. Clearly, I'm the most qualified here to be president.

If I could vote in a US election, there are several Farkers I'd vote for before the two choices you currently have.

McCainDemocrat would get my first, simply because he could be the President and the Vice-President at the same time.

It's OK. Next week, McCain won't recall ever saying it and the media won't hold him to it.

Just another day.

rob.d: McCainDemocrat would get my first, simply because he could be the President and the Vice-President at the same time.

That is pure WIN!

He thought he was there but it turns out that the meeting was scheduled at the same time as his diaper change so his poo-poo pants had to take precedent.

thomps: i've never seen a more poorly managed campaign in all my life, and that includes the girl that ran for my high school's student counsel on a promise to remove pop machines from the school.

I was going to mention that even George Michael's class president campaign in Arrested Development was better than this, but I couldn't find a relevant picture for us to lol at.

/it's like comparing apples and some fruit nobody's ever heard of

thomps: i've never seen a more poorly managed campaign in all my life, and that includes the girl that ran for my high school's student counsel on a promise to remove pop machines from the school.

Excuse me, maybe it's been a few months, but I remember a certain Rudy Giuliani running a pretty shiatty campaign.

GoRedSoxGo: I was going to mention that even George Michael's class president campaign in Arrested Development was better than this, but I couldn't find a relevant picture for us to lol at.

/it's like comparing apples and some fruit nobody's ever heard of


Footage from the campaign tape in question

Quel: Excuse me, maybe it's been a few months, but I remember a certain Rudy Giuliani running a pretty shiatty campaign.

at least he had a message.

Quel: thomps: Excuse me, maybe it's been a few months, but I remember a certain Rudy Giuliani running a pretty shiatty campaign.

Rudy ran a dumb campaign and was focused on a bad strategy but McCain just does not seem to understand what fact-checking is and how fast that new internets work. He thinks he can make up shiat to say about Obama and it will take months for the press to figure he is more cupable.

Could you imagine if Obama was gaffing like this? Wait, it's McCain, so no one cares...

thomps: Quel: Excuse me, maybe it's been a few months, but I remember a certain Rudy Giuliani running a pretty shiatty campaign.

at least he had a message.

9/11, 9/11, 9/11...

GoRedSoxGo: I was going to mention that even George Michael's class president campaign in Arrested Development was better than this, but I couldn't find a relevant picture for us to lol at.



STEVE HOLT!!

/Four more years! Four more years!

When smearing the other guy, it's best not to use your own shiat.

Hey McCain: you have more than one opponent, biatch.

This is irrelevant. The question is not whether McCain is a better candidate than Obama - everyone knows that he is not. The question is, is Obama good enough of a candidate to be elected President? McCain says he isn't. Therefore, if Obama is not good enough, then you should vote for the guy who is not better than the other guy. Are we clear on this now? Good.

B-b-but war hero!

Remind which one of these guys is on the Foreign Relations Committee, and therefore a member of the Committee holding the hearings?

hubiestubert: Until the man can have someone look at his own record, he really needs to just stay quiet about the other Congresscritter in the race...

Just some simple checking would clear up a lot of his more bone headed moments. That, and maybe not looking like a fish out of water when someone calls him on it...

Seriously, how difficult can it be to have an aide go over a couple of points for you? "Hey, Flunky #7, I'm going to need a couple of points to attack my opponent where he's weak. Go research. Flunky #2, go with #7 and make sure I'm strong on those points."

It's not hard for ANYONE with a staff and the kind of money politicians throw around on the trail to say something like this. How do you make that kind of mistake?

dopirt: When smearing the other guy, it's best not to use your own shiat.

Sun Tzu or Confucius? ;-)

McCain gets his Afghanistan intel straight from Rudyard Kipling, so STFU.

Wraithbane: Remind which one of these guys is on the Foreign Relations Committee, and therefore a member of the Committee holding the hearings?

the way i understand the article, both candidates are on committees that hold hearings on afghanistan, obama attended one of his committee's hearings on the subject while mccain attended none of his committees hearings on the subject.

either way, it's a stupid attack met with abysmal results.

thomps: Quel: Excuse me, maybe it's been a few months, but I remember a certain Rudy Giuliani running a pretty shiatty campaign.

at least he had a message.

one McCain tried desperately to co-op, despite its resounding failure for Guiliani which makes him extra Fail-ly

Oh look Patrick Fitzgerald has fingered Rove ^{(^)}for some reason this news can't get past the admins

and yeah the media doesn't say anything bad about McCain. If Obama had told a rape joke,or a moved to McCain's position on Afghanistan ,or flipped on gay adoptions,equal pay,or the other 60+ flip flops McCain has made his campaign would have been over.

Obama walks on eggshells and McCain can be the bull in the china shop but if the media doesn't cover it the sheep won't know.
This country needs an enema

Magorn: one McCain tried desperately to co-op, despite its resounding failure for Guiliani which makes him extra Fail-ly

mccain has tried to run on so many different (and often conflicting) messages that i can't even remember 9/11 being one of them.

Diogenes: If Obama is Dr. No, McCain is Dr. D'oh!

I really don't like this idea that you can have a policy position on these issues without actually having been there. Hey, if visiting helps your position evolve, great. But it's a dumbass criticism to say you can't have any opinion otherwise.

Um, unless I misunderstand you, that isn't what this is about. This is about attending hearings on the subject (presumably in the city where both Senators ostensibly work).

Hobodeluxe: Oh look Patrick Fitzgerald has fingered Rove (^)for some reason this news can't get past the admins

and yeah the media doesn't say anything bad about McCain. If Obama had told a rape joke,or a moved to McCain's position on Afghanistan ,or flipped on gay adoptions,equal pay,or the other 60+ flip flops McCain has made his campaign would have been over.

Obama walks on eggshells and McCain can be the bull in the china shop but if the media doesn't cover it the sheep won't know.
This country needs an enema

I know I read this in a Fark thread but I can't remember who said it - it's not our government we need to tear down, it's our media.

Lionel Mandrake: GoRedSoxGo: I was going to mention that even George Michael's class president campaign in Arrested Development was better than this, but I couldn't find a relevant picture for us to lol at.



STEVE HOLT!!

/Four more years! Four more years!

RON PAUL!!!

palelizard: Seriously, how difficult can it be to have an aide go over a couple of points for you? "Hey, Flunky #7, I'm going to need a couple of points to attack my opponent where he's weak. Go research. Flunky #2, go with #7 and make sure I'm strong on those points."

It's not hard for ANYONE with a staff and the kind of money politicians throw around on the trail to say something like this. How do you make that kind of mistake?

Over and over again, no less.

You screw the pooch on this once, you say, "Hey, fellas, we got to get our shiat together!"

It happens on a regular basis, then you've got more serious problems.

Lionel Mandrake: GoRedSoxGo: I was going to mention that even George Michael's class president campaign in Arrested Development was better than this, but I couldn't find a relevant picture for us to lol at.



STEVE HOLT!!

/Four more years! Four more years!

Underestimated the religious vote.

/shooped it myself. so there.

thomps: Magorn: one McCain tried desperately to co-op, despite its resounding failure for Guiliani which makes him extra Fail-ly

mccain has tried to run on so many different (and often conflicting) messages that i can't even remember 9/11 being one of them.

I think it was about 4 weeks and two campaign chiefs/lobbyists ago

teh great bozack: /shooped it myself. so there.

i've seen a few shoops in my day, and that one is severely lacking in lazers.

Lando Lincoln
This is irrelevant. The question is not whether McCain is a better candidate than Obama - everyone knows that he is not. The question is, is Obama good enough of a candidate to be elected President? McCain says he isn't. Therefore, if Obama is not good enough, then you should vote for the guy who is not better than the other guy. Are we clear on this now? Good.

So, McCain is Kerry?

thomps
the way i understand the article, both candidates are on committees that hold hearings on afghanistan, obama attended one of his committee's hearings on the subject while mccain attended none of his committees hearings on the subject.

The way I understood it, Obama is on a committee with direct responsibility for devising and implementing policy dealing with foreign governments. McCain is on a committee with responsibility for dealing strictly with legislative matters internal to the military. I don't think those two are at all the same.

either way, it's a stupid attack met with abysmal results.

Yup. But with American politics, there's nothing particularly surprising about that. The only thing new about this "new kind of politics" is just how openly the surrogates act.

Magorn: I think it was about 4 weeks and two campaign chiefs/lobbyists ago

ah the salad days, when there was no democratic nominee and mccain was able to go as far right as he wanted to fundraise without having to worry about any media coverage whatsoever.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Um, unless I misunderstand you, that isn't what this is about. This is about attending hearings on the subject (presumably in the city where both Senators ostensibly work).

You're right that I was slightly off topic. But McCain has been railing on Obama for stating positions on Iraq and Afghanistan when he *gasp* hasn't been to Iraq in at least 2 years. Did you not see the Barak Iraq Clock?

Wraithbane: The way I understood it, Obama is on a committee with direct responsibility for devising and implementing policy dealing with foreign governments. McCain is on a committee with responsibility for dealing strictly with legislative matters internal to the military. I don't think those two are at all the same.

when i said "my understanding of the article," i meant it in the fark sense of the phrase - i skimmed and formed an quick and uninformed opinion that i vowed to assert rabidly. but yeah, on second read it does seem to be apples and oranges, especially the last paragraph where mccain calls for obama to hold hearings on afghanistan within the subcommittee he chairs. i still think that is probably an unreasonable request for a congressman that is a full-time presidential candidate. unfortunately i don't think either of them will be doing any actual legislating for the remainder of the year.

Diogenes: Ace Frehley's Ghost: Um, unless I misunderstand you, that isn't what this is about. This is about attending hearings on the subject (presumably in the city where both Senators ostensibly work).

You're right that I was slightly off topic. But McCain has been railing on Obama for stating positions on Iraq and Afghanistan when he *gasp* hasn't been to Iraq in at least 2 years. Did you not see the Barak Iraq Clock?

I agree with you on that as well, I was just a bit confused by the direction of your Weeners.

Magorn: thomps: Quel: Excuse me, maybe it's been a few months, but I remember a certain Rudy Giuliani running a pretty shiatty campaign.

at least he had a message.

one McCain tried desperately to co-op, despite its resounding failure for Guiliani which makes him extra Fail-ly

Pancakes verb 9/11.

thomps
i still think that is probably an unreasonable request for a congressman that is a full-time presidential candidate. unfortunately i don't think either of them will be doing any actual legislating for the remainder of the year.

Things like this are the reason I support term limits and laws prohibiting a politician from running for any other public office while holding an active position. You want to run for President? Fine, resign your seat so that someone who will actually do the job you were elected to do can take it, then campaign your heart out. (okay, I'm assuming politicians actually have hearts)

Wraithbane: Things like this are the reason I support term limits and laws prohibiting a politician from running for any other public office while holding an active position. You want to run for President? Fine, resign your seat so that someone who will actually do the job you were elected to do can take it, then campaign your heart out. (okay, I'm assuming politicians actually have hearts)

I totally agree with the second half, but i think term limits would probably be a net loss. there is a large learning curve to getting things done in congress and if the elected officials were always green, i think they would rely a lot more on lobbyists and partisan group think (if that is possible). also can you imagine if congress were run by a group of perpetual lame ducks?