The law doesn't define justice; it is merely a tool with which you impose your own version of justice on others.

That is a retarded ruling.

What if you're walking backwards across the border from Mexico to AZ?

I mean, if anybody stopped you, you could just tell them you're actually emmigrating to Mexico via an anti-time rift.

The appellate court also disagreed with Barragan-Sierra's contention that federal immigration law pre-empts the state law.

Count me skeptical.

So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

What about masturbating in my sleep? Rape?

FireZs: The law doesn't define justice; it is merely a tool with which you impose your own version of justice on others.

Yeah, well, they're breakin the law, so fark em. Definitions be damned.

I_Hate_Iowa: That is a retarded ruling.

Yeah, lets not enforce immigration laws. How retarded! Let's reward criminals for breaking the law.

DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

What about masturbating in my sleep? Rape?

This

Stupid.

DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

What about masturbating in my sleep? Rape?

In one legal system, yes to both.

Hint as to which one: your Fark handle

Huge fines on companies that hire illegals.

DaBishop: What about masturbating in my sleep? Rape?

Well, I'm screwed.

Mija: I_Hate_Iowa: That is a retarded ruling.

Yeah, lets not enforce immigration laws. How retarded! Let's reward criminals for breaking the law.

Enforcing immigration laws, fine. But this ruling retarded, it's subverting the spirit and probably the letter of the law.

About damned time.

/but, you can't blame them for wanting to come to the US
//especially after we (America) totally fuct up their economy

ultraholland: Well, I'm screwed.

Don't talk to me, rapist.

shackelford: About damned time.

/but, you can't blame them for wanting to come to the US
//especially after we (America) totally fuct up their economy

About damn time for what? We prosecute illegal immigrants for some bass ackward interpretation of a law? Human smuggling is nasty stuff and should be punished harshly, far and above what illegally immigrating should get you. This is stupid.

So then they get to stay? (For 25 to life, of course...)

The decision makes sense to me. You arrange to bring someone into the country illegally, you're smuggling humans. The fact that the person being smuggled is yourself is irrelevant.

The suicide and masturbation examples make no sense--nobody is saying those who are smuggled didn't consent to being smuggled. The act of smuggling is illegal regardless of consent. If they didn't consent to being smuggled the charge should be kidnapping.

I really, really, really wish we could get rid of illegals tommorow so everybody's food prices would go through the roof. Then they could biatch about that and go back to watching "Ow, my Balls!"

Dumbasses.

Wow. Just wow. How pathetic.

2. "Smuggling of human beings" means the transportation or procurement of transportation by a person or an entity that knows or has reason to know that the person or persons transported or to be transported are not United States citizens, permanent resident aliens or persons otherwise lawfully in this state.

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From a legal standpoint, this is pretty cut-and-dried. Morally... I dunno, defining human smuggling as just moving illegal immigrants regardless of any other circumstances seems wrong. It seems like the equivalent of extending the definition of rape to cover sexual innuendo and harassment.

shackelford: About damned time.

/but, you can't blame them for wanting to come to the US
//especially after we (America) totally fuct up their economy

Oh yea, America farked their economy. Blame America for the rampant corruption from top to bottom that has crippled every part of their nation. That's all America's fault.

Loren: The suicide and masturbation examples make no sense--nobody is saying those who are smuggled didn't consent to being smuggled. The act of smuggling is illegal regardless of consent. If they didn't consent to being smuggled the charge should be kidnapping.

While in general, you're right (I was mostly being flippant), the fact is that they aren't guilty of smuggling, they are guilty of entering the country illegally. The person who is facilitating their entry is guilty of smuggling.

This is simply an 'add on' law, the same type of law that 'sodomy' is. Few states really care if you plant your flag in someone elses butt, but they keep it on the books to add on to rape charges.

DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?
What about masturbating in my sleep? Rape?

Well put.


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PascalsGhost I really, really, really wish we could get rid of illegals tommorow so everybody's food prices would go through the roof. Then they could biatch about that and go back to watching "Ow, my Balls!"

Dumbasses.

Transportation is affecting the cost of food much more then the cost of labor would right now.

No wonder I'm so messed up. I've been sexually assaulting myself since I was 13. My hand needs to be placed on the offender's list and required to relocate 100 feet away from schools.

I spent 30 years growing up in Southern CA and saw parts that when I was a kid were nice places to live turn into shiat holes thanks to the "hard working" poor undocumented workers.

Oh and I guess the billions they send back to mexico really contributes to our economy.

/Grandchild of LEGAL mexican immigrants
//Grandma HATED those that came here to juice the system and not assimilate.
///Flame on those living in non-border states. It's coming to an area near you.

JonnyBGoode: shackelford: About damned time.

/but, you can't blame them for wanting to come to the US
//especially after we (America) totally fuct up their economy

Oh yea, America farked their economy. Blame America for the rampant corruption from top to bottom that has crippled every part of their nation. That's all America's fault.

Exactly. I mean, we survive rampant corruption from top to bottom without our economy suffering. Oh wait...never mind.

Well, it's not really different from what happens on Fark... where lots of people post things, make claims, cite things they don't comprehend and generally don't understand a damn thing they're posting about.

/I don't really see an issue here.

Yeah_Right: Transportation is affecting the cost of food much more then the cost of labor would right now.


No, it isn't.

If farms had to pay the wages they would have to pay to get Americans to do the work they do, Tomatoes would be $7 a piece.

So, are we complicit for providing the pavement they eventually drive in on?
/not to mention incentive to immigrate

DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

Now that you mention it, suicide is a crime. Still, the comparison doesn't really hold.

A better example would be the way soliciting a prostitute is a crime. These immigrants aren't being abducted and dragged into the United States against their will. They're paying a lot of money to be transported here illegally.

I'm not really opposed to an open-borders policy in the U.S., but from a purely logical point of view, you can't make a "service" illegal and then not prosecute the people who buy and create a market for that service.

Oh wow, this is coming from John McCain's state. This must be change he believes in.

fark'emfeed'emfish: So, are we complicit for providing the pavement they eventually drive in on?
/not to mention incentive to immigrate

No, no, no. We can NEVER be to blame. It is always someone else's fault.

r00tdenied: Oh wow, this is coming from John McCain's state. This must be change he believes in.

That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense whatsoever.

tonesskin: Exactly. I mean, we survive rampant corruption from top to bottom without our economy suffering. Oh wait...never mind.

If you think corruption in the US is anything like it is in Mexico, you obviously have never spent any real time in Mexico.

Isn't that basically the same as that 16/17 year old girl that got charged for distributing child porn because she sent nudie pics of herself to other people.

CowboyNinjaD: I'm not really opposed to an open-borders policy in the U.S., but from a purely logical point of view, you can't make a "service" illegal and then not prosecute the people who buy and create a market for that service.h

I agree. Everybody who buys produce for nice cheap prices should be arrested and fined.


The illegal immigration schtick is the biggest bunch of ignorant bullshiat going. As soon as somebody biatches about illegals to me, I know everything I need to know about that person. If US citizens don't brighten the fark up and think for themselves, we are doomed.

PascalsGhost: Yeah_Right: Transportation is affecting the cost of food much more then the cost of labor would right now.


No, it isn't.

If farms had to pay the wages they would have to pay to get Americans to do the work they do, Tomatoes would be $7 a piece harvested mechanically.


FTFY

As far as I know, only Joe Arpaio, Sheriff of Maricopa County, had the guts to use this interpretation of the law. Now that it's been ruled legit, maybe other jurisdictions will follow suit.

JonnyBGoode: tonesskin: Exactly. I mean, we survive rampant corruption from top to bottom without our economy suffering. Oh wait...never mind.

If you think corruption in the US is anything like it is in Mexico, you obviously have never spent any real time in Mexico Texas.

DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

And you should be put to death for it.

Isn't it just great when a law's intent is perverted by those in power?

TxRabbit: DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

And you should be put to death for it.

We have a winner, thank you, try the veal.

r00tdenied 2008-07-17 09:14:00 PM
Oh wow, this is coming from John McCain's state. This must be change he believes in.

Absolutely, just as you must agree with everything that happens in California.

America was built on open immigration. The only reason nobody wants it anymore is because the immigrants can drain the welfare state dry. Eliminate the welfare state and open immigration can flourish again.

DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

What about masturbating in my sleep? Rape?

Yes. Murder of self. There's a term for that....I think it's called suicide. And if you're sucessful, you don't have to worry about being arrested and all that court shiat.

And why would you rub one out in your sleep? That seems rather pointless.

CowboyNinjaD: DaBishop: So, if I kill myself, am I guilty of murder?

Now that you mention it, suicide is a crime. Still, the comparison doesn't really hold.

A better example would be the way soliciting a prostitute is a crime. These immigrants aren't being abducted and dragged into the United States against their will. They're paying a lot of money to be transported here illegally.

I'm not really opposed to an open-borders policy in the U.S., but from a purely logical point of view, you can't make a "service" illegal and then not prosecute the people who buy and create a market for that service.

It would make sense if the crime is defined as using the services of a smuggler---but even then it doesn't make a who lot of sense to say you're smuggling *yourself*. Can you have a conspiracy of one?

Bonzo_1116: PascalsGhost: Yeah_Right: Transportation is affecting the cost of food much more then the cost of labor would right now.


No, it isn't.

If farms had to pay the wages they would have to pay to get Americans to do the work they do, Tomatoes would be $7 a piece harvested mechanically.


FTFY

LOL.

Read up, son. That ain't cheap either. Another dumbass talking point by politicians who have no intent on getting rid of immigration, but like to make you think they will and give you somebody to blame.