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/"91% of the journalists say that you don't have to believe in God to be a moral person."

Only 91%? That's pathetic.

She said younger Christians and conservatives need to learn they are not "weird" for thinking the way they think and to understand that they will need to speak up if the culture war is to be won.


You cannot come to any kind of terms with people who believe there is a cultural war going on, and plan to win it. That goes for both "sides," though it is the fundie Christians -- and Muslims -- who really take it to heart.

"32% of national reporters acknowledged being politically liberal "

And they control 0% of the political affiliation of the newspaper.

People who complain about the "liberal media" myth don't understand that the people who own and control the direction of the medium are for the most part politically conservative.

some funny statistics games going on in this article.

In Fyfe's CMI Special Report titled "Apostles of Atheism," she found that "91% of the journalists say that you don't have to believe in God to be a moral person."

And? Obviously her position is that you can't possibly be moral unless you believe in God. In other words, she's a farking idiot. No no, I'm not calling all religious people idiots, just the ones who think it's impossible to be moral without it. Oh, and the people who think the planet is 6,000 years old and people ran around with dinosaurs. They're definitely farking idiots. But anyway...

I have a sneaking suspicion that any given media outlet has more of a bias towards money than towards liberalism or conservatism.

oldebayer: Yeah, I'd say the very use of the term "cultural war" pretty much disqualifies you from having an unbiased opinion on the matter. This piece goes so far as to say this imaginary entity must be won.

Obviously her position is that you can't possibly be moral unless you believe in God.

Who is more "moral"? The person who does the right thing because offending a deity means burning forever in a fiery pit or the one who does the right thing because it's right?

isaaczeke: I have a sneaking suspicion that any given media outlet has more of a bias towards money than towards liberalism or conservatism.

Geez, man! You're not supposed to come right out and say it. Won't you please think of the shenanigans?

FireBreathingLiberal: Who is more "moral"? The person who does the right thing because offending a deity means burning forever in a fiery pit or the one who does the right thing because it's right?

OK - I get what you're saying but I feel compelled to fault you on the logic there. At minimum, "right" needs to be defined.

Nestea Plunge: I'd rather a person be virtuous because it's the right thing to do instead of for some stupid "eternal reward" that has not even been proven by anyone, yet.

Et tu?

Even the Southern Baptists are beginning to realize that Culture Wars has been very, very bad for religion in the US, and not merely because they were suckered into voting for some of the worst leaders (although they are apparently suck a mean dick) in history

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FireBreathingLiberal: Obviously her position is that you can't possibly be moral unless you believe in God.

Who is more "moral"? The person who does the right thing because offending a deity means burning forever in a fiery pit or the one who does the right thing because it's right?



But how can you possibly know it's 'right' until someone threatens to throw you in a fiery pit for not doing it?

Leave it to the conservative media watchdog group to consider 1/3 of the media personally being liberal as the media spouting "...liberal propaganda, most of the time."

And really? This gem of idiocy?

She said, "We found in our coverage of last years' news programs that atheists pretty much get a free pass when it comes to reporting on their belief systems."

Atheists don't get a free pass on anything in this country. Get down off your cross and your high horse, you goddamn moron.

Sybarite: But how can you possibly know it's 'right' until someone threatens to throw you in a fiery pit for not doing it?

See William James' Pragmatism.

Not my moral structure, but it's one answer to your question.

Kome: Leave it to the conservative media watchdog group to consider 1/3 of the media personally being liberal as the media spouting "...liberal propaganda, most of the time."

And really? This gem of idiocy?

She said, "We found in our coverage of last years' news programs that atheists pretty much get a free pass when it comes to reporting on their belief systems."

Atheists don't get a free pass on anything in this country. Get down off your cross and your high horse, you goddamn moron.

At least she used the plural -- "belief systems." It galls me when people claim atheism is a coherent and consistent belief system.

"seculuhluhahlarer"

Diogenes:
At least she used the plural -- "belief systems." It galls me when people claim atheism is a coherent and consistent belief system.

Oh, I'm sure it was a typo. :/

Nestea Plunge: I'd rather a person be virtuous because it's the right thing to do instead of for some stupid "eternal reward" that has not even been proven by anyone, yet.

Trying to be virtuous is as shaky as trying to be classy. There really is no way to pursue it, you just have virtue or you don't.

eqtworld: FTA: "We found in our coverage of last years' news programs that atheists pretty much get a free pass when it comes to reporting on their belief systems."

Not believing in magic is not a belief system.

Hence why we don't report on it. Or at least I don't.

/Well except this post
//and the subsequent slashies qualifying it

I blame all those feel-goody liberal secular hippies running things.... like Rupert Murdoch...Robert Iger...Sumner Redstone....

I swear if they don't quit burning incense and growing pot plants in their garages while listening to Phish, I'm gonna have to call the cops.

That article's bullshiat anyway... 19% of the public is liberal? Pffffft. Captain Pancakes wishes.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly is the declared, desired end state of this "culture war?"

doyner: Just out of curiosity, what exactly is the declared, desired end state of this "culture war?"

The secular and non-christian either die off or meekly hide in the shadows while we praise our lord and saviour openly in the classroom as god and the founding fathers intended and like we used to have until the liberals ruined it for us

/or something like that

Pfffft. Who takes this publication seriously (other than 26%ers)? Check out the first few headlines.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/

"Secular Media"??

I'd rather not get my news from people who believe in magical zombies, but thats just me.

Shaggy_C: The secular and non-christian either die off or meekly hide in the shadows while we praise our lord and saviour openly in the classroom as god and the founding fathers intended and like we used to have until the liberals ruined it for us

/or something like that

So they declared "war" on us...got it.

Maybe because they've had seven Goddamned years to study the alternative?

doyner: So they declared "war" on us...got it.

The secular progressives declared war on the god fearing good folk of this country and now it's time to take back what was ours. y'all.

kronicfeld: Only 91%? That's pathetic.

Eh, poorly worded question. A lot of the people who don't believe in god also don't believe in morality. Cultural relativism is all the rage these days, and would be understandably attractive to a reporter, who by profession is supposed to watch people do different things and not interfere.

Shaggy_C: The secular and non-christian either die off or meekly hide in the shadows while we praise our lord and saviour openly in the classroom as god and the founding fathers intended and like we used to have until the liberals ruined it for us

/or something like that

Reminds me of a music video I saw one time while flipping through the channels. I think it was on CMT or something like that.

I think this is it:

We Need God in America Again (new window)

Good to know it's still as funny now as it was then.

Shaggy_C: The secular progressives declared war on the god fearing good folk of this country and now it's time to take back what was ours. y'all.

I missed that declaration but I'm sure the Liberal Media^TM buried the story.

Jim_Callahan: kronicfeld: Only 91%? That's pathetic.

Eh, poorly worded question. A lot of the people who don't believe in god also don't believe in morality. Cultural relativism is all the rage these days, and would be understandably attractive to a reporter, who by profession is supposed to watch people do different things and not interfere.

I suppose I should clarify that you don't necessarily have to be religious to be moral absolutist or atheist to be a relativist. However, Christianity and Islam and Judaeism do require absolutism, so within the context of the US my point probably stands.

Another thought on this line:

She said, "We found in our coverage of last years' news programs that atheists pretty much get a free pass when it comes to reporting on their belief systems."

I think NO ONE should get a 'free pass' on their belief systems. NO ONE. If you have the farking POPE, a dumbass Athiest or the goddam Dali Lama on your interview show, you should GRILL THE fark OUT OF THEM about every last little detail of their "belief systems". Treat them like scum, until they can prove otherwise. Assume that they are trying to "promote" a shadowy "agenda". Imply that they have strange, Un-American ways and are untrustworty. Not one person should be 'given a free pass' We should all live in suspicion and fear of all other human beings. ALWAYS.

doyner: Shaggy_C: The secular progressives declared war on the god fearing good folk of this country and now it's time to take back what was ours. y'all.

I missed that declaration but I'm sure the Liberal Media^TM buried the story.

Skleenar: I think NO ONE should get a 'free pass' on their belief systems. NO ONE. If you have the farking POPE, a dumbass Athiest or the goddam Dali Lama on your interview show, you should GRILL THE fark OUT OF THEM about every last little detail of their "belief systems". Treat them like scum, until they can prove otherwise. Assume that they are trying to "promote" a shadowy "agenda". Imply that they have strange, Un-American ways and are untrustworty. Not one person should be 'given a free pass' We should all live in suspicion and fear of all other human beings. ALWAYS.

Jesus didn't get a "free pass" so that we may get into heaven. Why don't you trust Jesus?

I wonder why they don't tell you what percent of reporters are conservative.

Surely they don't have an ulterior motive to omit that information, being an unbiased news source.

Skleenar: I think NO ONE should get a 'free pass' on their belief systems. NO ONE. If you have the farking POPE, a dumbass Athiest or the goddam Dali Lama on your interview show, you should GRILL THE fark OUT OF THEM about every last little detail of their "belief systems". Treat them like scum, until they can prove otherwise. Assume that they are trying to "promote" a shadowy "agenda". Imply that they have strange, Un-American ways and are untrustworty. Not one person should be 'given a free pass' We should all live in suspicion and fear of all other human beings. ALWAYS

Jim_Callahan:
Eh, poorly worded question. A lot of the people who don't believe in god also don't believe in morality. Cultural relativism is all the rage these days, and would be understandably attractive to a reporter, who by profession is supposed to watch people do different things and not interfere.

Except that's not what cultural relativism is.

Ace Frehley's Ghost:

Hmmmm. I think I remember that now. Now if I can figure out who I report to to get my marching orders in this war....

doyner: Jesus didn't get a "free pass" so that we may get into heaven. Why don't you trust Jesus?

He might have been left to think things over for three days, but when it comes right down to it, His Dad bailed him out.

Dance
I wonder why they don't tell you what percent of reporters are conservative.

Surely they don't have an ulterior motive to omit that information, being an unbiased news source.

It's around 8%.

But I guess that's all you need to make the liberal panzies cry about how unfair it is.

Thank God!

Um...where the heck are all the rest of the stats that would make these actually meaningful, like the proportion of reporters claiming to be "conservative", etc.???

MFL: It's around 8%.

But I guess that's all you need to make the liberal panzies cry about how unfair it is.

Citation?

MFL:
It's around 8%.

But I guess that's all you need to make the liberal panzies cry about how unfair it is.


XKCD (new window)

If it was really 8%, I'm sure they'd point that out in the article to prove their "point".

There is a difference between believing that someone can be moral without religion and not believing in religion in the first place. It's that first one that annoys the crap out those that choose not to believe. The inherent belief that if other people DON'T believe, they are evil or fiendish by default.

I'm surprised that it's not a higher percentage. I don't know how any rational person could still cling to the failed conservative propaganda anymore.

Citation: See MFL.

Fellows: "32% of national reporters acknowledged being politically liberal "

And they control 0% of the political affiliation of the newspaper.

People who complain about the "liberal media" myth don't understand that the people who own and control the direction of the medium are for the most part politically conservative.

Welcome to the 100% propaganda environment. Red Scare, Anarchists, Commies, Hollywood blacklist, the Banana Wars, etc etc etc.. Americans believe what they're told over and over again. They don't give a shiat about facts or proof.