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(Wall Street Journal) Amusing Either the New York Times has fired all its fact-checkers, or Obama's grandfather fought in the Russian Army in WWII. Take your pick   (online.wsj.com) divider line 63
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Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:21:53 PM  
I think you mean The New Yorker, submitter.

 
Barbigazi [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:28:44 PM  
Wasn't this run into the ground over a month ago?

 
Release the Hounds [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:29:44 PM  
"Of course, maybe the reason for the lack of outrage is simply that no one reads Rolling Stone anymore."

Best line in the article.

 
kronicfeld [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:31:16 PM  
crickets...

 
sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:33:38 PM  
The New Yorker not checking their facts on this story is just one more nail in the coffin of The New York Times.

 
HansensDisease [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:34:25 PM  
Ronald Reagan told various people that he had helped film the liberation of WWII prison camps.

He never even served overseas.

 
Snarfangel [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:36:58 PM  
HansensDisease: Ronald Reagan told various people that he had helped film the liberation of WWII prison camps.

He never even served overseas.


Zombie Reagan has lost my vote.

 
HansensDisease [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:41:55 PM  
Snarfangel: Zombie Reagan has lost my vote.

So has Obama's Grandfather.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:43:15 PM  
HansensDisease: Ronald Reagan told various people that he had helped film the liberation of WWII prison camps.

He never even served overseas.


That has been reported. He apparently mentioned that late in his second term, when he was rumored to be in the early stages of Alzheimer's. A staffer politely reminded him that perhaps he was confusing it with a film he shot. People make mistakes. Reagan, Obama (or Obama's grandfather). It happens.

 
superbeerchan [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:49:54 PM  
The premise of this article is this quote:

". . . My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's Army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow-troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. . . ."

Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Which means that I walked on the moon in 1969.

 
HulkHands [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:54:07 PM  
superbeerchan: Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Which means that I walked on the moon in 1969.


Yes, apparently no first troops ever entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. WW2 was odd like that

 
sarcastrophe 2008-07-17 02:54:40 PM  
Holy crap! It is going in circles! I'm not looking forward to pastor-gate all over again.

 
Cagey B [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 02:55:55 PM  
HulkHands: superbeerchan: Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Which means that I walked on the moon in 1969.

Yes, apparently no first troops ever entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. WW2 was odd like that


The only thing I know about World War II was that it was started by The Appeasers- a group about which little is known, except that they were Democrats- and that we must never ever folow their example, lest our major cities randomly explode.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 03:00:10 PM  
superbeerchan: Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Now, now, it's okay. The Obama campaign admitted he was mistaken when he made a speech about his grandfather and Auschwitz on Memorial Day. This flap has already blown over.

 
superbeerchan [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 03:12:22 PM  
Nabb1: superbeerchan: Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Now, now, it's okay. The Obama campaign admitted he was mistaken when he made a speech about his grandfather and Auschwitz on Memorial Day. This flap has already blown over.


If this is true, then why is the linked article from James Taranto titled "Rewriting History" dated yesterday? I'm only responding to what this idiot wrote.

 
jerry2a 2008-07-17 03:15:08 PM  
Either submitter has fired his reading comprehension skills or somebody doesn't know the difference between The New Yorker and The New York Times.

 
The Onanist [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 03:21:23 PM  
superbeerchan: If this is true, then why is the linked article from James Taranto titled "Rewriting History" dated yesterday? I'm only responding to what this idiot wrote.

The assclown, James Taranto, is regurgitating old news?

 
Forty-Two [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 03:24:24 PM  
sarcastrophe: Holy crap! It is going in circles! I'm not looking forward to pastor-gate all over again.

Say, did you hear? Obama threw his grandmother under the bus, and he thinks there are 57 states!

/Is there nothing else going on right now?

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 03:36:56 PM  
The Onanist: superbeerchan: If this is true, then why is the linked article from James Taranto titled "Rewriting History" dated yesterday? I'm only responding to what this idiot wrote.

The assclown, James Taranto, is regurgitating old news?


Either that or the author of the New Yorker article didn't do his homework when he ran the quote from Obama and see that this was cleared up over a month ago and Taranto is just pointing it out.

 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum 2008-07-17 03:46:31 PM  
Well all this has been very edifying.

Now to go out and figure how to get wealthy off of all this rich, fruity, and crucial data

.

 
oldebayer [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 03:58:03 PM  
I believe that article is supposed to be humorous, the WSJ's version of Dave Barry. It is for those who thought the New Yorker's cover was too obviously meant to be satire.

 
superbeerchan [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 04:06:46 PM  
Nabb1: Either that or the author of the New Yorker article didn't do his homework when he ran the quote from Obama and see that this was cleared up over a month ago and Taranto is just pointing it out.

The quote wasn't from Obama's Memorial Day speech, but from a speech that he gave at a rally several months before announcing his candidacy for the US Senate.

From the New Yorker article dated July 21 2008, the entire paragraph quoted in context:

The sensitive language of his September 11th statement was gone. Instead, Obama distanced himself from the pacifist activists who were surely present. "Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an antiwar rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances," he told the crowd. He then went further, defending justifiable wars in almost glorious terms. "The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's Army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow-troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars." It took some nerve to tweak the crowd in this way. After all, it was unlikely that many of the protesters knew who Obama was, and in a lengthy write-up of the event in the Chicago Tribune the following day he was not mentioned. Yet the speech reads as if it had been written for a much bigger audience.


This is a case of the douchenozzle Taranto cherry-picking a quote and taking it completely out of context.

 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 04:21:27 PM  
superbeerchan: It took some nerve to tweak the crowd in this way.

Yeah. Obama needed cojones the size of grapefruit to tell people he was against the Holocaust. Who says he's afraid to take an unpopular stance?

 
HansensDisease [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 05:18:52 PM  
Nabb1: That has been reported.

So has this.

/You repeat. I deride.

 
tlchwi02 2008-07-17 05:36:03 PM  
Nabb1: I think you mean The New Yorker, submitter.

on top of that, it seems to have been more of a jest piece by the journal (the final sentences would indicate that, combined with the "factual" errors being quotes) which i don't think our friend the submitter got in his/her headline. If they were being sarcastic, i appologize in advance.

 
Uzzah 2008-07-17 05:41:34 PM  
I'm just glad this article finally cleared up that whole "terrorist fist-jab" thing. Turns out, terrorists don't actually do that. Whew! What a load off my mind!

What? There's a picture of him out there wearing terrorist garb? OMG PANIC!

 
d'art 2008-07-17 05:45:36 PM  
jerry2a: Either submitter has fired his reading comprehension skills or somebody doesn't know the difference between The New Yorker and The New York Times.

Maybe Subby shouldn't have fired his fact-checker.

 
hyperspacemonkey 2008-07-17 05:46:26 PM  
HansensDisease: Snarfangel: Zombie Reagan has lost my vote.

So has Obama's Grandfather.


I'm still voting for Zhukov's army!

 
d'art 2008-07-17 05:47:27 PM  
superbeerchan: This is a case of the douchenozzle Taranto cherry-picking a quote and taking it completely out of context.

You need to get in a jab at subtard while you're at it.

 
rufus-t-firefly [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 05:56:08 PM  
Barbigazi: Wasn't this run into the ground over a month ago?

Yes.

But it's easier to pick at one candidate's mistakes than to examine the other guy's permanent cluelessness.

Okay, here's a headline: "Either we're in 1990, or John McCain doesn't know that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist nearly two decades ago. Pancakes."

But if we are in 1990, we need to get off Fark and the World Wide Web as a whole before we cause a rift in the time-space continuum.

 
superbeerchan [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 06:06:51 PM  
rufus-t-firefly: Barbigazi: Wasn't this run into the ground over a month ago?

Yes.

But it's easier to pick at one candidate's mistakes than to examine the other guy's permanent cluelessness.

Okay, here's a headline: "Either we're in 1990, or John McCain doesn't know that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist nearly two decades ago. Pancakes."

But if we are in 1990, we need to get off Fark and the World Wide Web as a whole before we cause a rift in the time-space continuum.



Well, crap.

I've been in a Prodigy chatroom this whole time and didn't realize it?

 
Baby Diego [TotalFark] 2008-07-17 06:11:34 PM  
superbeerchan

Well, crap.

I've been in a Prodigy chatroom this whole time and didn't realize it?


I advise against lifting your printed bill without a forklift.

 
frizzle65 2008-07-17 06:16:14 PM  
James Taranto...Moran!

 
Corvus 2008-07-17 06:25:37 PM  
Really is this the best the anti-Obama squad has?

He hashing something no one cares about the happened months ago?

 
poot_rootbeer 2008-07-17 06:36:48 PM  
superbeerchan: Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Which means that I walked on the moon in 1969.


And that John Kerry actually DID commit war crimes.

 
poot_rootbeer 2008-07-17 06:38:37 PM  
The Onanist: The assclown, James Taranto, is regurgitating old news?

Also, has hasn't made a good movie since "Pulp Fiction".

 
RemyDuron 2008-07-17 06:41:43 PM  
Love Boat: Barack Hussein Obama needs a new halo. The one he had has fallen off and rolled down the sewer drain.

What a piece of sh*t liar.


Yeah, ignore the whole thread.

 
Corvus 2008-07-17 06:42:18 PM  
I find this a little more scary:

Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."

Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate." A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."


McCain Conflates Shiite Iran And Sunni Al Qaeda, Needs To Be Corrected By Lieberman (new window)

 
ilidanwrath 2008-07-17 06:43:28 PM  
I knew it I knew it, see obama supports communist!

 
Alien5151 2008-07-17 06:43:44 PM  
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."

 
hasty ambush 2008-07-17 06:47:45 PM  
New Yorker, New York Times like there is a difference. I was not aware that either of them used fact checkers or were even concerned with facts.

 
LocalCynic 2008-07-17 06:51:50 PM  
Ah yes, James Taranto. He's a Republican first and "journalist" second.

 
Stratohead 2008-07-17 06:54:35 PM  
/*jerk off motion*


//amazing how lightening fast the WSJ turned into FAUX NEWS in print form....

 
ilidanwrath 2008-07-17 06:56:40 PM  
hasty ambush
New Yorker, New York Times like there is a difference. I was not aware that either of them used fact checkers or were even concerned with facts



you take the good you take the bad you take them both and there you have the facts of life.

 
Bloody William 2008-07-17 07:00:19 PM  
Love Boat: Barack Hussein Obama needs a new halo. The one he had has fallen off and rolled down the sewer drain.

What a piece of sh*t liar.


There's no hate like conservative hate.

 
mrjared 2008-07-17 07:04:09 PM  
So much FAIL I don't even know where to start...

Subby? FAIL
WSJ? FAIL
New Yorker? FAIL
You? FAIL (just for lookin' at me funny)

 
Satan's Superfluous Nipple 2008-07-17 07:05:10 PM  
superbeerchan: The premise of this article is this quote:

". . . My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's Army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow-troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. . . ."

Apparently hearing the stories from fellow soldiers is the same as doing it yourself.

Which means that I walked on the moon in 1969.


I'm not really going to get into this but, the bold part would imply US troops not Russian.

/that's all I've got
//don't really care
///does this make me a grammar nazi?

 
Andross01 2008-07-17 07:10:02 PM  
sarcastrophe: Holy crap! It is going in circles! I'm not looking forward to pastor-gate all over again.

My thoughts exactly.



/surprised that didn't already pop up
//it's fun to say quotes out of context, or hell, just distort 'em entirely!

 
Andross01 2008-07-17 07:10:58 PM  
My pic! It's dead!!!

 
bartink 2008-07-17 07:11:43 PM  
List of people who changed their vote over this "issue":

.

 
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