Vote bleeding heart
Time for a new start
I just don't think you understand
That if you vote your heart
Your achy bleeding heart
We just might not attack Iran

(steel guitar solo)

weren't these numbers reported as $30 million to $22 million just a few weeks ago. and then Farkers from PDX came in to sarcastically say they love the smell of party unity in the morning, followed by others saying that Obama was in trouble because he should have put up a big number after Hillary conceded?

Just think how much he'll have to raise to beat Miley Cyrus once pictures of her naked ta-tas hit the interwebs.

Oh, you KNOW they're out there.

An Obama guy called me the other day, asking for money. I've donated before, but at this point, I honestly don't think he needs it. I may throw him some more cash as it gets closer to the election, but it looks like he's gonna run away with this. A LOT of people agree with me.

I'd rather donate money to the HRC or the ACLU. They at least have adversaries.

BTW, McCain, you know what would change my mind? A 527 smear campaign against him. I'd whip out my checkbook so fast it would be like the first time you got in a horseless carriage.

Feh, chump change. A mere pittance compared to Bloomberg or Paris Hilton. Hell, Angelina Jolie got 12 million for measly pictures of her crotch fruit.

baorao: weren't these numbers reported as $30 million to $22 million just a few weeks ago. and then Farkers from PDX came in to sarcastically say they love the smell of party unity in the morning, followed by others saying that Obama was in trouble because he should have put up a big number after Hillary conceded?

hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

GaryPDX: . You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

...and I never will.

what_now: GaryPDX: . You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

...and I never will.

Kidding aside, the dem party kinda looks like two parties trying to act like one. On the other hand, McCain is moving left (where he's more comfortable) and Obama is moving right (pissing off the far left).

They all look like a bunch of idiots to me. I honestly see no difference in these parties never ending kabuki dance. Our 1st President warned us explicitly about parties and the dangers. More people should take George's advice more seriously.

GaryPDX: hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

were you expecting anyone to actually do that? perhaps you forget how ruthlessly we mocked her?

GaryPDX: hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

Who are these "you guys" of whom you speak?

burndtdan: GaryPDX: hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

were you expecting anyone to actually do that? perhaps you forget how ruthlessly we mocked her?

I never expected it but in past election cycles it was kind of a given. We just never heard about it. When parties pulled together after primaries, they all settled up internally.

Not covering Hillary is the departure from historic practice.

baorao: weren't these numbers reported as $30 million to $22 million just a few weeks ago. and then Farkers from PDX came in to sarcastically say they love the smell of party unity in the morning, followed by others saying that Obama was in trouble because he should have put up a big number after Hillary conceded?

boo callout aside, yes the media gleefully reported that obama's fundraising was in crisis mode based on numbers that they made up for their own entertainment.

fox (new window)

newsweek (new window)

washington post (new window)

GaryPDX: Kidding aside, the dem party kinda looks like two parties trying to act like one.

Well then maybe it should split. I TOTALLY agree with you about parties. You can get the party loyalists and fat cats in one corner, and the people who give a damn about fixing some problems in the other. You could call it the "Hillary corner" and the "Dean Corner".
I get calls from the DCCC all the time, because as they say "Do you want to help elect Obama?" and my stock answer is "Yes I do. But I have no interest in giving you money to spend on anyone w/ a D after his name".

I like Obama. I like what he's said so far, and I like how smart he seems. I like the concept of having a president that doesn't embarrass me, but I'm not a fangirl. If he screws something up, or ends up sucking, I'll be the first to admit it.

However, at this point, he could sell Alaska back to the Russians and still be a step up.

GaryPDX:
Not covering Hillary is the departure from historic practice.

Priorities.

Step 1.) Win.
Step 2.) ?
Step 3.) Profit!
Step 4.) Pay off the Hill-dawg.

GaryPDX: I never expected it but in past election cycles it was kind of a given. We just never heard about it. When parties pulled together after primaries, they all settled up internally.

So is that why Mitt Romney has to settle his debts himself? (new window)

An interesting point from that article: "The move could clear away the last remnants of a divisive primary race, insuring that he and his financial supporters are focused on helping McCain"

Sounds like someone knows the correct way to get on a VP short-list. Clinton's attempt to strong-arm her way in by lying about voter tallies ain't working so well.

what_now: However, at this point, he could sell Alaska back to the Russians and still be a step up.

Oh my..that is just crazy talk considering all the natural resources up there, not including oil. And it's our only stake that's on the Arctic ocean. Which, BTW, is a given it will be an open ocean in about 30-40 years and everyone knows it. All the bordering countries are staking out claims and Russia is claiming a full half of the entire ocean.

Right now, I'm very curious about Obamas European trip these coming weeks. He's taking quite a gamble playing world globe trotter at this stage of the game. We still have 4 1/2 months to go. Errg!

PurplePimpSaber: Priorities.

Step 1.) Win.
Step 2.) ?
Step 3.) Profit!
Step 4.) Pay off the Hill-dawg.

no.

She racked up most of that money after it became clear that she couldn't win. She lost 10 contests in a row, and kept going. She lost Texas and then squeaked by in Ohio, KNOWING that she couldn't catch up to him unless something disastrous happened, and when it didn't, she tried to make it happen.

She's got the money. She can pay her own damn debts. Mittens is going to.

what_now: An Obama guy called me the other day, asking for money. I've donated before, but at this point, I honestly don't think he needs it. I may throw him some more cash as it gets closer to the election, but it looks like he's gonna run away with this. A LOT of people agree with me.

Whenever they call me I tell them I'd love to donate...

To the EFF (pops) or the Secular Coalition (pops). Fark Obama for the FISA vote and fark him for his expansion of faith-based initiatives.

\Also, fark him for cutting the manned space program
\\Already a member of the Mars Society

Tastes Like Chicken: So is that why Mitt Romney has to settle his debts himself? (new window)

An interesting point from that article: "The move could clear away the last remnants of a divisive primary race, insuring that he and his financial supporters are focused on helping McCain"

Sounds like someone knows the correct way to get on a VP short-list. Clinton's attempt to strong-arm her way in by lying about voter tallies ain't working so well.

Yep..sounds logical.

GaryPDX: Oh my..that is just crazy talk considering all the natural resources up there, not including oil.

It's an analogy.

The Icelander: \Also, fark him for cutting the manned space program
\\Already a member of the Mars Society

Yeah, I don't agree with that either. However, there's not a single person I've ever met with whom I agree on all issues, so I'm ok with that. The FISA thing though....I'm really upset about that.

what_now: GaryPDX: Oh my..that is just crazy talk considering all the natural resources up there, not including oil.

It's an analogy.

I know..:) That one point about Alaska is interesting all by itself in a global geopolitical way. There's going to be huge, very busy, shipping lanes from Europe to Asia going right past us in the next few decades. The weather will be more moderate and Alaska will be the next booming frontier in the 21st century while the southern states turn into death valley waste lands. It's inevitable and humans will adjust. I'm half tempted to buy some cheap land up there so my sons and grandsons can build Casinos..(grin)..the new Alaskan Riviera!!!

what_now: The FISA thing though....I'm really upset about that.

I've been upset with that shiat since it began.

what_now: Yeah, I don't agree with that either. However, there's not a single person I've ever met with whom I agree on all issues, so I'm ok with that. The FISA thing though....I'm really upset about that.

It would be one thing if it was education or social security or something else I don't care about. But my rights, particularly ones related to communication, the separation of church and state, and the space program are big issues for me. Along with the environment and the economy, they're my top five issues.

So for a presidential candidate to oppose me on those issues is pretty disheartening, particularly considering how much I was inspired by him.

Oh well, at least his speech after the Chinese land on the moon will be pretty.

GaryPDX: hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

If she had dropped out back in March, as any wise politician in that situation would have done, then there would be no need for anybody to pony up for her.

/stupid should hurt

Code_Archeologist: GaryPDX: hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

If she had dropped out back in March, as any wise politician in that situation would have done, then there would be no need for anybody to pony up for her.

/stupid should hurt

Hey..I don't blame you guys at all for not wanting to cover her. She was ruthless and looks like a Borg Queen to me and that's one of the main reasons I wanted to see her go down. But the fact remains, she still commands a lot of influence in the Dem Party machine. Seriously..maybe the Dem party should split into two. I kinda like the sound of 3 parties anyway.

GaryPDX: I kinda like the sound of 3 parties anyway.

Of course you do. Two left-wing parties would mean the Republicans would always win.

Oh sure, like Obama and Miley Cyrus are comparable in any way.

I've never ever fapped to a show with Obama in it.

/Mikes Hard Lemonade, anyone?

The Icelander: It would be one thing if it was education or social security or something else I don't care about.

Oh.


Ok then. We have VASTLY different priorities.

*hint* a better education system would fix all of the issues you care about. Well educated people want to go to the moon, and fix global warming, and then tend to like scientific ideas for things. Poorly educated people just point to the bible, and assume that's the answer for everything.

what_now: *hint* a better education system would fix all of the issues you care about. Well educated people want to go to the moon, and fix global warming, and then tend to like scientific ideas for things. Poorly educated people just point to the bible, and assume that's the answer for everything.

Someone once said: "You can't fix stupid."

The Icelander: GaryPDX: I kinda like the sound of 3 parties anyway.

Of course you do. Two left-wing parties would mean the Republicans would always win.

I prefer to think the Constitution will guide us, regardless of party ideology. That was the expectation of the Founders. I prefer a "We, the People" society over a "We, the Party" society. With information so readily available now, I see no need for parties in the first place. We can easily be a country of individuals educating ourselves and voting on what makes since in practicality and according to the Constitution. I'm up to my eyeballs with party hype. One side uses fear of terrorists, the other side uses fear of economic crash and chaos. Both are self fulfilling paths of destruction as far as I'm concerned.

The Icelander: what_now: *hint* a better education system would fix all of the issues you care about. Well educated people want to go to the moon, and fix global warming, and then tend to like scientific ideas for things. Poorly educated people just point to the bible, and assume that's the answer for everything.

Someone once said: "You can't fix stupid."

No, but you can fix ignorance. It's easy.

The Icelander: Someone once said: "You can't fix stupid."

Yeah... someone did. A drunk comedian. Not that there is anything wrong with being drunk or being a comedian, but there are better minds to trust for opinions on the subject of education.

Education is a very important issue to me as well. The FISA thing bothers me a bit, but somehow I don't think immunity for telecoms from civil suits on the issue makes a whole lot of difference in the situation as a whole. If the FISA thing granted both civil and criminal immunity, that would be a different story. As for NASA funding, well... I like NASA and I like the increases in technology, but I also am not as concerned about that as I am about things like the Iraq war, or more to the point, the whole "pre-emptive war" desires of the Republican party. No, that doesn't mean I'm giving the Democrats who voted to give Bush authorization to make that call any kind of free pass, right now I mainly would just like us to not start any new wars that we don't need.

As for Obama raising $52 million this month, that's awesome. I've heard the average donation was $68. So that would be roughly 764,706 donations. Not bad at all for a month. This last month I did not donate any money to the campaign (because money is a little too tight for my family right now), but I did donate some of my time and skills (graphic design work) to the campaign. :)

I'm still happy with how the campaign is going. It isn't the perfect campaign or anything of the sort, but I never expected it to be. Because I keep my expectations pretty reasonable, I don't find myself being disappointed.

Of course, to hear the opposition (or the "no horse in this race" opposition) talk, I'm some kool aid drinking sheep who really likes to hear "hope and change" or some such nonsense. heh

GaryPDX: I see no need for parties in the first place

I kind of do... I'm not fond of political parties, but I do think they have a tendency to help bring a little balance to what I think would otherwise be complete chaos. I'm not claiming the two party system is great or anything even remotely close to that, but I do see some benefits to it as well.

Hahahahaha, the Obama camp let the media piss themselves with "Obama's in trouble, Democrats don't like him anymore, blah blah blah" when they threw them the "more than $30 million" bone, and then dropped the hammer today. Good job all around.

McPoonDanlcrat's prediction of $45M for McCain and $30M for Obama...not so much.

I came for a Pedobear thread on the Politics tab and leave bitterly disappointed.

From the Obama Campaign:
average donation was just $68.

What the hell is all this reasoned discussion? I'm still on Fark right? I came in here for the same reason PowerSlacker did: innappropriate pictures of the current "flavor-of-the-week" pop tartlet.

what_now: BTW, McCain, you know what would change my mind? A 527 smear campaign against him. I'd whip out my checkbook so fast it would be like the first time you got in a horseless carriage.

Ditto that.

The Icelander: Of course you do. Two left-wing parties would mean the Republicans would always win.

I think the GOP is heading for a split. The social conservatives and the political conservatives are learning they don't see eye to eye.

PowerSlacker: I came for a Pedobear thread on the Politics tab and leave bitterly disappointed.

Miley Cyrus is like granny porn to Pedobear.


What?

There's a reason 12 year old girls can't vote.

PowerSlacker: I came for a Pedobear thread on the Politics tab and leave bitterly disappointed.

All I've got, sorry.

GaryPDX:

We can easily be a country of individuals educating ourselves. . . . One side uses fear of terrorists, the other side uses fear of economic crash and chaos. Both are self fulfilling paths of destruction as far as I'm concerned.

tag explodes.

Who do I believe! Party bosses or GaryPDX. . too much doom to choose from! :)

GoRedSoxGo: PowerSlacker: I came for a Pedobear thread on the Politics tab and leave bitterly disappointed.

All I've got, sorry.

WTF, so I guess it won't even let me post a link to a large image?

GoRedSoxGo: WTF, so I guess it won't even let me post a link to a large image?

Not if the linked image involves a man stretching his anus to 15 times its original size, no.

GaryPDX: baorao: weren't these numbers reported as $30 million to $22 million just a few weeks ago. and then Farkers from PDX came in to sarcastically say they love the smell of party unity in the morning, followed by others saying that Obama was in trouble because he should have put up a big number after Hillary conceded?

hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

I'm sure the book she writes about the campaign will cover that nicely

Donald_McRonald: GoRedSoxGo: WTF, so I guess it won't even let me post a link to a large image?

Not if the linked image involves a man stretching his anus to 15 times its original size, no.

It was actually a Chris Hansen/Harry Potter chick animated gif.

/if I could unsee one image, it would be gootse

GaryPDX: Kidding aside, the dem party kinda looks like two parties trying to act like one.

O RLY?

The poll, conducted in the wake of Obama's clinching the nomination and including sampling dates from before Hillary Clinton's final concession, found that 68% of Democratic primary voters were satisfied with Obama as the nominee, with 30% preferring someone else.

By contrast, only 52% of Republican primary voters were satisfied with John McCain as their nominee, with 45% preferring someone else. And this is despite the fact that McCain sewed up his nomination months ago, while Democratic emotions were still raw when this poll was conducted.

GaryPDX: burndtdan: GaryPDX: hahaha. You guys still haven't ponied up to pay off Hillary.

were you expecting anyone to actually do that? perhaps you forget how ruthlessly we mocked her?

I never expected it but in past election cycles it was kind of a given. We just never heard about it. When parties pulled together after primaries, they all settled up internally.

Not covering Hillary is the departure from historic practice.

Aroo?

I think Clinton's debt, and her inistance on hanging on after she'd been all but methematically eliminated (which in truth was just after Super tuesday) are utterly unprecedented in post 1968 party politics (since we've used a primary system). Thus asking the front runner to pay off her debts (especially when she has the personal wealth to cover them) is equally unprecedented.


Also given how they missed buy nearly $30 million, we now know exactly how credible the New Murdoch-Controlled WSJ really is.