John McCain is Ralph Wiggam at 70 -

/... and he bent his wookie.

OlafTheBent: John McCain is Ralph Wiggam at 70 -

/... and he bent his wookie.

At least he has his degree from Bovine University!

OlafTheBent: John McCain is Ralph Wiggam at 70 -

/... and he bent his wookie.



"i dressed myself"

burndtdan: OlafTheBent: John McCain is Ralph Wiggam at 70 -

/... and he bent his wookie.



"i dressed myself"i>

well, if he could raise his hands....

/sorry, couldn't resist

Was it Reagan or Carter who bailed out Chrysler? (seriously don't remember) I know the process started in '79.

Diogenes: Was it Reagan or Carter who bailed out Chrysler? (seriously don't remember) I know the process started in '79.

Carter, with Congressional approval.

BritneysSpeculum: Carter, with Congressional approval.

Hmm. And that was nowhere near as dire.

burndtdan: "i dressed myself"

lol who's got the PS of McSame's face on the retard with a mask and nunchuks?

Diogenes: BritneysSpeculum: Carter, with Congressional approval.

Hmm. And that was nowhere near as dire.

And they actually paid it back. Don't see that happening here.

I was actually reading this exact article and check to see if it had been Farked.

The author hasn't done too much homework into McCain's actual economic plan that he outlined in his Fortune interview. I stopped reading when the author quoted McCain wanted to: "...making permanent the Bush tax cuts for the rich. " He specifically refuted this a week or two ago and said that he was planing on specifically removing these tax cuts. This author has looked at quotes that are months old and is using the most convinient information possible to draw a picture of McCain that people who don't read the news will believe.

Politics sucks.

Jeremy Bates: FTA: large-scale market failure

Blasphemy. The market never fails.

Oh, if only there were no such thing as government, then people could see that the Free Markettm works perfectly. We wouldn't even need government to fund schools, deliver mail, or build roads. The Free Markettm could take care of it all.

Actually got into an argument with my "Anarchist But Won't Admit It" Libertarian friend who claims, with a straight face, all this has happened because of government regulation.

AmazinTim: I was actually reading this exact article and check to see if it had been Farked.

The author hasn't done too much homework into McCain's actual economic plan that he outlined in his Fortune interview. I stopped reading when the author quoted McCain wanted to: "...making permanent the Bush tax cuts for the rich. " He specifically refuted this a week or two ago and said that he was planing on specifically removing these tax cuts. This author has looked at quotes that are months old and is using the most convinient information possible to draw a picture of McCain that people who don't read the news will believe.

Politics sucks.

You might be the first person I've ever seen defend McCain rather than bash the hope monger on FARK. Kudos.

Anyone who calls the Reagan presidency 'libertarian' needs to be laughed out of town.

moops: burndtdan: "i dressed myself"

lol who's got the PS of McSame's face on the retard with a mask and nunchuks?

That's "McThusaleh" to you, whippersnapper!

BritneysSpeculum: Diogenes: Was it Reagan or Carter who bailed out Chrysler? (seriously don't remember) I know the process started in '79.

Carter, with Congressional approval.

Reagan raised the import tariff on heavy motorcycles 1000% to save Harley Davidson.

Why did Reagan remove the solar panels in '80?

That op-ed was bland. All I could get out of it was the guy thinks McCain isn't good at economics because McCain's adviser (which he demoted) said something really stupid.

The rest sounded like a bunch of wandering fluff.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." - Ronald Reagan

"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan

McCain's adviser just pulled a 'Bbbbut Barack!'

Diogenes: Was it Reagan or Carter who bailed out Chrysler? (seriously don't remember) I know the process started in '79.

3/10

helix400: That op-ed was bland. All I could get out of it was the guy thinks McCain isn't good at economics because McCain's adviser (which he demoted) said something really stupid.

To be fair, McCain has repeatedly said hes not savvy when it comes to the economy, and so having his chief economic adviser say and do very stupid things when it comes to the economy is rather important.

Candidates can certainly make up for deficiencies with good advisers. All they have to do is exercise good judgment in picking the advisers. McCain has failed to do that repeatedly.

LargeCanine: "Government's first duty is to protect the people's rights, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan

FTFTG

He almost had it correct

The McCain attacks on Obama having a plan before having gone to Afghanistan seem stupid. When folks traveled the Oregon trail, I'd bet most had never done it before, yet they had a plan. I'm sure more often than not, it had to be deviated from, but still. You should have a plan and adjust it as information becomes known.

LargeCanine: "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." - Ronald Reagan

"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan

Great quotes (stolen from Goldwater actually). Too bad he did the exact opposite of that as Prez.

Bag of Hammers: Actually got into an argument with my "Anarchist But Won't Admit It" Libertarian friend

I don't know your friend, and the assessment on his closet anarchy beliefs may be true, but I hate when people call libertarians "closet anarchists". Its about as intellectually honest as calling liberals "closet socialists"

he also admitted to telling that rape joke too. of course the mainstream media will ignore it.

Hobodeluxe: he also admitted to telling that rape joke too. of course the mainstream media will ignore it.

Who cares, really? I didn't think it was particularly funny, but it wasn't anything to flip out about.

Jeremy Bates: FTA: large-scale market failure

Blasphemy. The market never fails.

Oh, if only there were no such thing as government, then people could see that the Free Markettm works perfectly. We wouldn't even need government to fund schools, deliver mail, or build roads. The Free Markettm could take care of it all.

I know you meant that as sarcasm but the Free Market(tm) is much like an ecosystem. Generally things work though sometimes a beast that doesn't fit comes in and messes everything up and everyone goes nearly extinct. But there are many examples of us trying to "fix" ecosystems and screwing them up more than they were to begin with. Generally the best thing is while things are working don't try to make things better, when things are starting to fall apart find out who's over consuming and remove them.

Gramm hasn't been the only McCain economic adviser to sound dissonant notes of late. Bloomberg's Al Hunt reports that Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard chief, has said that if a bipartisan coalition came up with tax increases on the rich, a McCain administration might embrace the proposal. On Tuesday, however, a campaign spokesman reiterated McCain's opposition to such tax hikes.

Hahahaha, I love Carly, she just makes crap up off the top of her head. You can't be so glib when your not the CEO and you have to say what others tell you.

moops: burndtdan: "i dressed myself"

lol who's got the PS of McSame's face on the retard with a mask and nunchuks?

I got ya covered!

Corvus: Gramm hasn't been the only McCain economic adviser to sound dissonant notes of late. Bloomberg's Al Hunt reports that Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard chief, has said that if a bipartisan coalition came up with tax increases on the rich, a McCain administration might embrace the proposal. On Tuesday, however, a campaign spokesman reiterated McCain's opposition to such tax hikes.

Hahahaha, I love Carly, she just makes crap up off the top of her head. You can't be so glib when your not the CEO and you have to say what others tell you.

Carly Fiorina might be the one person on earth who is worse at her job than George Bush. I can't even remember the last time her name didn't evoke from me a mental image of the boss from Dilbert. She is a truly stupid human being.

Moses To Sandy Koufax: Carly Fiorina might be the one person on earth who is worse at her job than George Bush. I can't even remember the last time her name didn't evoke from me a mental image of the boss from Dilbert. She is a truly stupid human being.

I agree and I knew someone who worked at HP while she was at the helm. All the employees felt she was incompetent. It shows you just how bad McCain is at picking people.

You do need to know some about technology and some about economics or you pick complete crap people like Carly Fiorina and the "bad economy is in your head" Phill Gramm.

An even deeper problem is that standard-issue Republican economic policy has run out of plausible mantras. The ritual extolling of markets and denigration of government make no sense at a moment when a conservative Republican administration is rushing to save the markets through governmental intervention.

Somehow I doubt this bare fact will have any effect on their talking points. People will still believe them too.

McCain = WORLD WAR III

He'll be dead before his term is over, but hey, at least he got what he wanted to start.

You can't be for tax cuts and a huge military at the same time. Many try, but reality will always you its biatch.

Even socialist countries are essentially for free markets these days, so the ideological battle has already been won. We all get that free markets are a good idea.

If conservatives want to shrink the government (not like they have), they're going to have to start with the government program that eats the most money and helps the fewest amount of people.

That ain't Social Security and it ain't Medicare.

johne3819: Why did Reagan remove the solar panels in '80?

Childish spite.

Corvus: I agree and I knew someone who worked at HP while she was at the helm. All the employees felt she was incompetent. It shows you just how bad McCain is at picking people.

And picking good people should really be the number one job of the president. If you were a president who was great at everything and picked bad people, you would be a worse president then one who was bad at everything but picked good people.

McCain has picked bad people, Obama has picked good people.

DarnoKonrad: AmazinTim: I was actually reading this exact article and check to see if it had been Farked.

The author hasn't done too much homework into McCain's actual economic plan that he outlined in his Fortune interview. I stopped reading when the author quoted McCain wanted to: "...making permanent the Bush tax cuts for the rich. " He specifically refuted this a week or two ago and said that he was planing on specifically removing these tax cuts. This author has looked at quotes that are months old and is using the most convenient information possible to draw a picture of McCain that people who don't read the news will believe.

Politics sucks.

You might be the first person I've ever seen defend McCain rather than bash the hope monger on FARK. Kudos.

I hate to do it, but I can't stand the blind devotion so many people have to Barack Obama. Personally, I'm terrified to think that of the 300 million people in this country, these two guys are the best we could muster up? An incompetent socialist and a withered old man?

The last few elections have been a matter of picking the lesser of two evils, and in that case, I will probably pick the one that is NOT going to raise the cap gains tax to 25-30% and won't bump estate tax to 45% (even if he is a miserable old man). I think McCainenomics are flawed, but less flawed than Obama's redistribution of wealth plan. There is no way in hell I am going to help elect Robin Hood into the presidency - robbing from the rich and giving to the poor is no way to run a country - unless you plan on running it into the ground of course.

MrGumboPants: If conservatives want to shrink the government (not like they have), they're going to have to start with the government program that eats the most money and helps the fewest amount of people.

But that would be defense, and they don't want to shrink that.

"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."

Amazin Tim.. that was a lot of words just to prove that you've vaguely taken in GOP talking points over the last 20 years. Robin Hood? Has Obama made some kinds of crazy claims about wealth redistribution that none of the media have picked up, or are you just making things up?

My understanding is that he'd proposed to hold the line on taxes for people who make less than 200k in a year.

MrGumboPants: Robin Hood? Has Obama made some kinds of crazy claims about wealth redistribution that none of the media have picked up, or are you just making things up?

You are aware that the lowest income brackets already pay nothing in income tax today, right? And Obama is promising an additional $500 'tax cut' to these people. That's a free $500 apeice. This goes all the way up until the point where Obama feels there are not enough voters to hurt by raising taxes, so he jacks theirs up by 200k+ a year to make up for it. And STILL runs a farking deficit. This doesn't even begin to talk about his healthcare solution (free for some, not for all!) and jacking up social security taxes on rich people without giving them increased benefits later on - "yeah farker, pay $100k a year into SS but when you retire you'll only get the maximum $27k a year it's only fair lol." He's all about wealth redistribution as a matter of buying votes or as a matter of believing that everyone is entitled to some community chest of money.

Nestea Plunge: Besides, Reagan raised taxes in 1982, 1984, and 1987.

THOSE WERE PAYROLL TAXES STFU HE IS A CONSERVATIVE GOD

/or not

AmazinTim: I hate to do it, but I can't stand the blind devotion so many people have to Barack Obama. Personally, I'm terrified to think that of the 300 million people in this country, these two guys are the best we could muster up? An incompetent socialist and a withered old man?

Ahhh the "these aren't out best choices" - guy.

I think you don't understand how our democracy works. We are not suppose to get the two "best choices" we are supposed to get a choice that the majority of people can agree on. That is a lot different.

I'll explain:

What is the BEST ice cream flavor? The best one you ever have?

Did you say Vanilla or chocolate? Probably not. But why does every ice cream place have vanillia and chocolate then? Because those are flavors that most people like. But most people do not LOVE vanillia and chocolate. Most would not be able to agree on a flavor every one thinks is "the best". So you get a least common denominator populous flavor.

Who you would pick as the "best candidate" most likely 80% of the electorate would hate. So we get candidates that a majority can live with or sort of like but not love.

That's our system, that's how it works, that's how it supposed to work. Democracy is compromise. It supposed to be that way.

If you want a small group getting exactly what they want then that's not a democracy.

MrGumboPants: If conservatives want to shrink the government (not like they have), they're going to have to start with the government program that eats the most money and helps the fewest amount of people.

That ain't Social Security and it ain't Medicare.

You sound like a homo-bortion commy appeaser to me.

Nestea Plunge: Besides, Reagan raised taxes in 1982, 1984, and 1987.

Reagan pretty much did everything he said he was against.

Negotiate with terroists.
Increase spending.
Expand the national debt.

MrGumboPants: Amazin Tim.. that was a lot of words just to prove that you've vaguely taken in GOP talking points over the last 20 years. Robin Hood? Has Obama made some kinds of crazy claims about wealth redistribution that none of the media have picked up, or are you just making things up?

My understanding is that he'd proposed to hold the line on taxes for people who make less than 200k in a year.

Obviously, I exaggerated the Robin Hood claim. Socialist? Yea I won't take that back.

I think that socialized medicine is a massive waste of money. it's a tradeoff between providing mediocre health care for everyone, or great health care for people who prioritize their money to buy into it. I've had relatives live in Germany for a few years and any time they had anything more than a fever, they had to fly back stateside to get it fixed because the Germans are using drugs that we used a decade ago.

By the same effect, the 100 million Americans that do own stock are going to be majorly effected by this cap gains raise. "Not taxing the middle class" my ass. But that isn't what concerns me. Considering that we are one of very few countries to impose capital gain taxes on investments (and our CG taxes are already significantly higher than any other major player) but why would foreign investors continue pouring money into our economy if they know they only keep 70% of what they make? Cap Gains taxes were fine fifteen years ago when we were the biggest player in town, but now investors have much better options, and it won't take more than a pocket calculator to tell them that more money can be made in Europe, India or China where CG taxes are slim-nil.

That ought to get you started on your next rebuttal.

AmazinTim: I've had relatives live in Germany for a few years and any time they had anything more than a fever, they had to fly back stateside to get it fixed because the Germans are using drugs that we used a decade ago they aren't eligible for the State-run system.

Are you sure you said that right? Germany ranks above the US in terms of health care.

AmazinTim: I think that socialized medicine is a massive waste of money. it's a tradeoff between providing mediocre health care for everyone, or great health care for people who prioritize their money to buy into it.

Do you not think we have socialized medicine right now?

Tell me if someone is sick right now and goes to an emergency room and doesn't have the money is he turned away?

Why shouldn't people who get free expensive medical care now at least pay what they can?

Why are you against that? Why do you want to keep our current socialized system that is more costly?

Why treat these people in emergency rooms where it is much more expensive?

Corvus
Ahhh the "these aren't out best choices" - guy.

I think you don't understand how our democracy works. We are not suppose to get the two "best choices" we are supposed to get a choice that the majority of people can agree on. That is a lot different.

I'll explain:

What is the BEST ice cream flavor? The best one you ever have?

Did you say Vanilla or chocolate? Probably not. But why does every ice cream place have vanillia and chocolate then? Because those are flavors that most people like. But most people do not LOVE vanillia and chocolate. Most would not be able to agree on a flavor every one thinks is "the best". So you get a least common denominator populous flavor.

Who you would pick as the "best candidate" most likely 80% of the electorate would hate. So we get candidates that a majority can live with or sort of like but not love.

That's our system, that's how it works, that's how it supposed to work. Democracy is compromise. It supposed to be that way.

If you want a small group getting exactly what they want then that's not a democracy.


MY FAVORITE PART WAS THE ICECREAM EXAMPLE.