Apparently the McCain campaign has also learned the lesson from the Bush administration of repeating a lie until it becomes true.

I'd love to make a tired reference to summertime footwear here.

Seriously, how can McCain/Fiorina/the rest of these Republicans be so blindingly stupid? THESE are the people some of you want running the country? Were you born retarded, or have you been repeatedly whacked in the head with a nine-iron?

GoRedSoxGo:I'd love to make a tired reference to summertime footwear here.

Seriously, how can McCain/Fiorina/the rest of these Republicans be so blindingly stupid? THESE are the people some of you want running the country? Were you born retarded, or have you been repeatedly whacked in the head with a nine-iron?

Maybe they're gluttons for punishment?

gilgigamesh: Apparently the McCain campaign has also learned the lesson from the Bush administration of repeating a lie until it becomes true.

Anyone got that clip of Bush explaining how he repeats things over and over again until people believe him?

gilgigamesh:Apparently the McCain campaign has also learned the lesson from the Bush administration of repeating a lie until it becomes true.

This trick is nothing new. This has been going on long before bush was in office. However, the current administration has more or less perfected it and now the McCain campaign thinks that they can master it just the same. Its really quite sad. I would like to think that in todays day and age where they are caught on tape lying that people wouldn't fall for this crap but they still do.

Did anyone ever see the colbert report joke about this trick where he was making fun of hannity's "The greatest bestest nation that god has ever given man on the face of the earth"

gilgigamesh:Apparently the McCain campaign has also learned the lesson from the Bush administration of repeating a lie until it becomes true.

actually, that was originally a Clinton administration tactic. Team Bush 'merely' stole the idea and took it to an entirely different level.

Why does the stupid journalist go on about the 100 years in the face of such blatant lies?

Also I like the claim that "no one objects to" our occupation of Japan.

Weaver95:gilgigamesh:Apparently the McCain campaign has also learned the lesson from the Bush administration of repeating a lie until it becomes true.

actually, that was originally a Clinton administration tactic. Team Bush 'merely' stole the idea and took it to an entirely different level.

Example?

Weaver95:actually, that was originally a Clinton administration tactic. Team Bush 'merely' stole the idea and took it to an entirely different level.

Really Weave? You're going with a "But Clinton" here? As though Reagan never did it? Not to mention every politician in history? Shame on you for such a lazy retort. I know you have read enough history to know better, or were you just bashing Bill for old times sake?

[Obvious] A large portion of this country has backed itself into an idelogical corner and must make themselves believe some really stupid things to keep the model of the world they've built in their imagination from crashing into pieces.

-isms kill brain cells... or at the very least make them want to kill themselves

I'm watching MTP right now. Brokaw just made a point that indecisiveness would get her kicked off the board of HP. She disagreed.

History is getting harder to rewrite. Sorry Carly.

If they were any more aligned...




Dubya's Saudi boy friend would be jealous!

Pretty amazing, the same nation that stood up to Hitler, Kruschev, and put men on the moon - repeatedly! - was taken down by a pissed-off oil heir and an alcoholic with religious delusions.

However you feel about the war in Iraq, the fact is that McCain had always supported a larger presence in Iraq and had been critical about the Bush/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld approach of an "easy" war. McCain pushed for the "surge" until Bush accepted the idea. It is Bush who aligned himself with McCain, not vice versa.

But don't take my word for it, see what "ultra-right wing propagandists" over at National Public Radio (new window) have to say about it.

IndyGemini had been critical about the Bush/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld approach of an "easy" war.

"Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women." [CNN, 9/24/02]

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]



try again after mccain has instructed the media to change the definition of "easy". that will occur the second he is asked to explain these quotes, if ever.

Everyone I've talked to at HP said Fiorina was an idiot and a disaster for their company. Go ahead, McSame -- make her your VP choice!

gilgigamesh: Apparently the McCain campaign has also learned the lesson from the Bush administration of repeating a lie until it becomes true.

Repeating that it is a lie still won't make it a lie.

He supported the invasion. He reamed Rumsfield repeatedly over the prosecution of it. Once Bush finally adopted McCain's way by appointing Petraus, McCain then fully supported the war at a time when the war was extremely unpopular, and it almost killed McCain's political future. But McCain did it anyway.

Once again McCain did what he believed was right, and damn the consequences. And now the wacko parts of the left want to pretend it never happened. We need a cage match between the wacko left and the wacko right... and then kill them all.

On the other hand, if this keeps Carly "I killed HP" Fiorina further away from any public office, I'm all for it.

We should put Carly in charge of Al-Qaeda and/or North Korea.

GoodScout: Everyone I've talked to at HP said Fiorina was an idiot and a disaster for their company. Go ahead, McSame -- make her your VP choice!

So she's a perfect vp choice for a guy who finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, and who is succeeding a president who ran every business venture he touched in to the ground.

The important thing is that she doesn't talk like a fag, and her shiat isn't all retarded.

I wish he could pick this woman AND Joe Lieberman as his vice presidents. Or somehow combine them into an even bigger pile of fail and choose that. Not only will the presidential debates be a slaughter but the VP debates could be to.

flavor of the month: IndyGemini had been critical about the Bush/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld approach of an "easy" war.

"Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women." [CNN, 9/24/02]

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]



try again after mccain has instructed the media to change the definition of "easy". that will occur the second he is asked to explain these quotes, if ever.

You do realize the actual war was easy, just the occupation is difficult. Try taking quotes in context of the two different stages of the fight.

McCain has been critical of how the Administration has run the war, not the going to war itself or the staying there.

Here's about two minutes worth of a Google search on the topic:

Link

Link

So, as usual, Think Progress misses the point.

MyRandomName: flavor of the month: IndyGemini had been critical about the Bush/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld approach of an "easy" war.

"Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women." [CNN, 9/24/02]

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]



try again after mccain has instructed the media to change the definition of "easy". that will occur the second he is asked to explain these quotes, if ever.

You do realize the actual war was easy, just the occupation is difficult. Try taking quotes in context of the two different stages of the fight.

You do realize most of the American people define "win" and "success" as coming home? I don't want to get into some thread flambe, but it's true.

In fairness HP was around $12 when she started at HP and was at $20 when she left so not too bad.

MyRandomName


tell it to IndyGemini. he's the one saying mccain didn't subscribe to the idea the war was/would be easy.

As much as my geeky heart was always for HP old-style I'm still always going to be thankful for them taking the heat off of us poor slobs at Lucent when it was going down the tubes by hiring that cow away from us.

DeltaXi65: So, as usual, Think Progress misses the point.

So he stood up to them by saying minor things which did not change anything - and then throwing his full support behind them no matter what else?
By his "standing up" (her quote), was policy changed? Was the military expanded? Or, did everything just coast along until it failed in elections.

Yeah, I think they hit this one.

Who is rewritting history Fiorina?

"I think that Blix's report will be fairly definitive. But Mr. Blix has made a lot of reports over the years, and I think the judgment made by the United States of America will - and the president of the United States - will prevail here." [NBC, 2/12/03]

"I believe as strongly today as ever, the mission [in Iraq] was necessary, achievable and noble. For his determination to undertake it, and for his unflagging resolve to see it through to a just end, President Bush deserves not only our support, but our admiration." [GOP Convention, 8/30/04]

"The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush." [Meet the Press, 6/19/05]

MR. GREGORY: Do you, do you have confidence in the president and his national security team to lead the war at this stage?
SEN. McCAIN: I do. I do. I have confidence in the president and I believe that he is well aware of the severity of the situation. [Meet the Press, 8/20/06]

"I'm sticking with the president in this respect [on Iraq]. This is our last chance. The consequences of failure are catastrophic." [CNN, 2/13/07]

"I am proud of this president's strategy in Iraq." [Receiving Bush's endorsement, 2/13/08]

In fact, just four months ago, McCain declared unequivocally, "No one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have."

Indis

No, they didn't. Their point is that McCain has been in lock step with Bush on the war the entire time. Those are just two stories I found in less than five minutes indicating that wasn't the case.

It's not minor when a senior member of your own party says, publicly and to the press, that he disagrees with what you are doing and how you are doing it. This is part of the reason why so many Republicans don't like McCain.

The whole gist of their story is that Fiorina is wrong in what she said. Since she wasn't, they're wrong, and that's pretty much what I've come to expect from that website. Cherry picking of facts mixed with thin spin.

Satyagraha: Who is rewritting history Fiorina?

"I think that Blix's report will be fairly definitive. But Mr. Blix has made a lot of reports over the years, and I think the judgment made by the United States of America will - and the president of the United States - will prevail here." [NBC, 2/12/03]

"I believe as strongly today as ever, the mission [in Iraq] was necessary, achievable and noble. For his determination to undertake it, and for his unflagging resolve to see it through to a just end, President Bush deserves not only our support, but our admiration." [GOP Convention, 8/30/04]

"The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush." [Meet the Press, 6/19/05]

MR. GREGORY: Do you, do you have confidence in the president and his national security team to lead the war at this stage?
SEN. McCAIN: I do. I do. I have confidence in the president and I believe that he is well aware of the severity of the situation. [Meet the Press, 8/20/06]

"I'm sticking with the president in this respect [on Iraq]. This is our last chance. The consequences of failure are catastrophic." [CNN, 2/13/07]

"I am proud of this president's strategy in Iraq." [Receiving Bush's endorsement, 2/13/08]

In fact, just four months ago, McCain declared unequivocally, "No one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have."

OMG, that's the only ad Obama should make, he should run it nationally at least once a day until November.

DeltaXi65: Cherry picking of facts mixed with thin spin.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Wanna take bets we can find 10 times as many major quotes/stories that back up how the atheistic McCain prosecutes this "war" with your piddly minor ones?

GoodScout: Everyone I've talked to at HP said Fiorina was an idiot and a disaster for their company. Go ahead, McSame -- make her your VP choice!

Watched the CompaQ-HP merger from the CompaQ side. I have nothing nice to say about her, her policies, or how the company was run. The old-time HP people felt the same way.

DeltaXi65: Since she wasn't, they're wrong, and that's pretty much what I've come to expect from that website. Cherry picking of facts mixed with thin spin.

"I think that Blix's report will be fairly definitive. But Mr. Blix has made a lot of reports over the years, and I think the judgment made by the United States of America will - and the president of the United States - will prevail here." [NBC, 2/12/03]

"I believe as strongly today as ever, the mission [in Iraq] was necessary, achievable and noble. For his determination to undertake it, and for his unflagging resolve to see it through to a just end, President Bush deserves not only our support, but our admiration." [GOP Convention, 8/30/04]

"The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush." [Meet the Press, 6/19/05]

MR. GREGORY: Do you, do you have confidence in the president and his national security team to lead the war at this stage?
SEN. McCAIN: I do. I do. I have confidence in the president and I believe that he is well aware of the severity of the situation. [Meet the Press, 8/20/06]

"I'm sticking with the president in this respect [on Iraq]. This is our last chance. The consequences of failure are catastrophic." [CNN, 2/13/07]

"I am proud of this president's strategy in Iraq." [Receiving Bush's endorsement, 2/13/08]

In fact, just four months ago, McCain declared unequivocally, "No one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have."

Do you see a pattern in what McCain has said?
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