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WWII bomb trifecta in play??

/Never thought I'd hear that one...

Well, they do make the excavating for a new house much easier.

Wow never realize how much of the UK was really bombed by Germany, they seem to always focus on London, but they went way the hell up to Scotland.

FTA:
"There is still great interest when these things turn up, because for so many people it is still a living memory. Bombings were far more widespread than just in London people don't want to die while drilling for a new patio. "

Fixed.

dennysgod:Wow never realize how much of the UK was really bombed by Germany, they seem to always focus on London, but they went way the hell up to Scotland.

Coventry (new window) was Britain's Dresden. Check out images of it, pretty devastating

FTA:
"Maps showing the likely locations of thousands of unexploded bombs dropped during World War Two have been created for the first time."

"The new map will be used by builders to tell them the risks from unexploded bombs where they are working. Members of the public will also be able to access the map, which identifies 21,000 locations where there could be unexploded bombs."

"The online maps are available for all major cities and areas of the countryside where bombings took place. "

Jebus. Would it be too much trouble to maybe provide a link to where these alleged 'maps' are located? Some information. Anything?

humm..i see England's fine upstanding Islamic community right now.
1. get map.
2. get shovel
3. ..profit?

Godwined in teh B(o)(o)bies?

wildancrazy159:humm..i see England's fine upstanding Islamic community right now.
1. get map.
2. get shovel
3. ..profit?

The thought of terrorists using Nazi bombs is terrifying...

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm:wildancrazy159:humm..i see England's fine upstanding Islamic community right now.
1. get map.
2. get shovel
3. ..profit?

The thought of terrorists using Nazi bombs is terrifying...

it's as though its all coming together.

dennysgod:Wow never realize how much of the UK was really bombed by Germany, they seem to always focus on London, but they went way the hell up to Scotland.

Certainly they did; Hitler tried to kill my mum!

Mini-blitz. (new window)

(She was 10 years old at the time, and saved a smothered German incendiary bomb as a souvenir under her bed. My granny foind it and threw it out, however. Shame, I would have liked to have it.)

I wonder if they call in Lieutenant Brian Ash of 347 Section of 97 Tunneling Company, Royal Engineers, when they find a UXB?

I'm Welsh so I'm getting a kick...

/just kidding I'm gay

the man with the screaming brain:Coventry (new window) was Britain's Dresden.

Hardly.

During the raid, the Germans dropped about 500 tons of high explosives on Coventry; 568 people died in the Coventry Blitz, but some sources have said that as many as 1,000 people were killed. It was a center of British war industry and bombing it made actually sense in a strategic sense.

The February 1945 raids on Dresden on the other hand saw 1,300 heavy bombers drop over 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices in four raids. Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000. Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and Germany was a mere 12 weeks away from surrender.

whoa. Just to show where my geeky mind was at, I first read the headline as 21,000 unexploded GAMMA bombs. And I was like, what does Bruce Banner have against England?

Well Germany did not fare to well either. In the early 80's I went to visit my brother for the summer who was stationed at Rhein Mein Air Force Base and I was walking around in a little town called Waldorf. They have paths through parks with signs warning to stay on the path and as you walk the path you realize the ground everywhere else is cratered and there is still a lot of unexploded ordinance underneath the ground...

/was 15 and got tanked on some fine German beer that summer - so I guess I got bombed too? (ba dum dump)

My Great Uncle was over there during WW2, he said the farking Nazi's were dropping that shait all over the place. Thats o.k. We bombed the shiat out of them. Slim Pickens ref?

curmudge:I wonder if they call in Lieutenant Brian Ash of 347 Section of 97 Tunneling Company, Royal Engineers, when they find a UXB?

He's dead. Had a little accident...

Kar98:Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and Germany was a mere 12 weeks away from surrender.

Dresden was a military communications center of great importance that controlled military communications from Berlin to the Armies fighting the Russians in the east. The destruction of those facilities ensured that Germany would surrender in as little as twelve weeks later instead of dragging out the fighting for another nine to twelve months and multiplying the casualties a hundredfold.

wildancrazy159:humm..i see England's fine upstanding Islamic community right now.
1. get map.
2. get shovel
3. ..profit?

No.

3. Get blown up when trying to remove unexploded ordinance with inexpert shovel.

or,

3. Find out there's a reason the piece didn't explode in the first place.

Of all the things in the world to worry about, this is not one. Can you imagine trying to (a) remove a large item without being noticed that you're digging in a highly-populated area; (b) moving it to the desired location without it going off; (c) building some sort of detonation mechanism to trigger this 60+ year old piece of war-junk when you want it to, rather than when your truck from (b) hits a bump in the road?

There are much easier ways to get or make explosives. Releasing the maps - which prevents some poor construction shmuck from hitting one with a backhoe - is definitely the correct decision.

Kar98:the man with the screaming brain:Coventry (new window) was Britain's Dresden.
[...]

The February 1945 raids on Dresden on the other hand saw 1,300 heavy bombers drop over 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices in four raids. Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000. Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and Germany was a mere 12 weeks away from surrender.

While I agree with you about the comparison being inappropriate, isn't the argument about the military necessity of the Dresden bombing 1) revenge (since Hitler had targeted non-military targets since the beginning); 2) to persuade the higher-ups to take the full surrender (as even those, like Himmler, who wanted to surrender intended to negotiate)?

Alien Robot:Dresden was a military communications center of great importance that controlled military communications from Berlin to the Armies fighting the Russians in the east.

So the communication went from Berlin southwards to Dresden and then to the East? Bullshiat. Nauen near Berlin was always more important for wireless communication, and the front was as close to Berlin as Dresden in February (maybe closer), so even a guy with a motorbike would have reached the army in the East earlier than Dresden.

Klopfer:So the communication went from Berlin southwards to Dresden and then to the East? Bullshiat.

HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 14-15 FEBRUARY 1945 BOMBINGS OF DRESDEN
Prepared by: USAF Historical Division, Research Studies Institute, Air University

The Russian Request for Allied Bombing of Communications in the Dresden Area:

18. It was the specific Russian request for bombing communications, coupled with the emphasis on forcing troops to shift from west to east through communications centers, that led to the Allied bombings of Dresden. The structure of the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden railway complex, as outlined in paragraph 8 above, required that Dresden, as well as Berlin and Leipzig, be bombed. Therefore Allied air authorities concluded that the bombing of Dresden would have to be undertaken (1) in order to implement strategic objectives, of mutual importance to the Allies and the Russians, and now agreed upon at the highest levels of governmental authority, and (2) to respond to the specific Russian request presented to the Allies by General Antonov to "paralyze the junctions of Berlin and Leipzig."

Specific Target Objectives in the Dresden Area:

24. As related in paragraphs 5-11 above, Dresden became a military target as (1), and of overriding importance, a primary communications center in the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden railway complex; (2) as an important industrial and manufacturing center directly associated with the production of aircraft components and other military items, including poison gas, anti-aircraft and field guns, and small guns; and (3) as an area containing specific military installations. The night raid by the RAF Bomber Command was intended to devastate the city area itself and thereby choke communications within the city and disrupt the normal civilian life upon which the larger communications activities and the manufacturing enterprises of the city depended. Further, the widespread area raid conducted by the British entailed bombing strikes against the many industrial plants throughout the city which were thus to be construed as specific targets within the larger pattern of the area raid.44 The Eighth Air Force raids, which were by daylight and followed, on the 14th and 15th February, the night raid of the British (13/14 February), were directed against rail activities in the city.45

Alien Robot:Kar98:Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and Germany was a mere 12 weeks away from surrender.

Dresden was a military communications center of great importance that controlled military communications from Berlin to the Armies fighting the Russians in the east. The destruction of those facilities ensured that Germany would surrender in as little as twelve weeks later instead of dragging out the fighting for another nine to twelve months and multiplying the casualties a hundredfold.

and of course completely razing the entire city with incendiary rather than targeted bombing is the only way to do this.

i've got this great idea for solving the murder problem in washington DC which involves a fission/fusion process.

Alien Robot:Klopfer:So the communication went from Berlin southwards to Dresden and then to the East? Bullshiat.

HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 14-15 FEBRUARY 1945 BOMBINGS OF DRESDEN
Prepared by: USAF Historical Division, Research Studies Institute, Air University

The Russian Request for Allied Bombing of Communications in the Dresden Area:

18. It was the specific Russian request for bombing communications, coupled with the emphasis on forcing troops to shift from west to east through communications centers, that led to the Allied bombings of Dresden. The structure of the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden railway complex, as outlined in paragraph 8 above, required that Dresden, as well as Berlin and Leipzig, be bombed. Therefore Allied air authorities concluded that the bombing of Dresden would have to be undertaken (1) in order to implement strategic objectives, of mutual importance to the Allies and the Russians, and now agreed upon at the highest levels of governmental authority, and (2) to respond to the specific Russian request presented to the Allies by General Antonov to "paralyze the junctions of Berlin and Leipzig."

Specific Target Objectives in the Dresden Area:

24. As related in paragraphs 5-11 above, Dresden became a military target as (1), and of overriding importance, a primary communications center in the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden railway complex; (2) as an important industrial and manufacturing center directly associated with the production of aircraft components and other military items, including poison gas, anti-aircraft and field guns, and small guns; and (3) as an area containing specific military installations. The night raid by the RAF Bomber Command was intended to devastate the city area itself and thereby choke communications within the city and disrupt the normal civilian life upon which the larger communications activities and the manufacturing enterprises of the city depended. Further, the widespread area raid conducted by the British entailed bombing strikes against the many industrial plants throughout the city which were thus to be construed as specific targets within the larger pattern of the area raid.44 The Eighth Air Force raids, which were by daylight and followed, on the 14th and 15th February, the night raid of the British (13/14 February), were directed against rail activities in the city.45

i gotta call bullsh][t on this too.

dresden is a freakin 10 hour train ride from berlin (10 hours on the limited stop train).

leipzig is a 20 minute ride in a completely different direction.

that's like invading norway via the north pole.

you could practically yell your communications over to leipzig.

Neun-und-neunzig Luft boom-booms.

/got nothing.

This sounds like the annual Iron Harvest from the Western Front in France and Belgium Link

Sucks not to be able to walk without a little bit of fear that it might blow up on you. Dirt bikes are definitely out of the realm, then!

If only the Brits can invent some kind of a device that can detect metal that is buried in the ground.

daddykins:If only the Brits can invent some kind of a device that can detect metal that is buried in the ground.

in berlin you have to do that before you dig...everytime.

re-elect_jimmy_carter:dresden is a freakin 10 hour train ride from berlin (10 hours on the limited stop train).

It's two to three hours according to the DB.

dennysgod:Wow never realize how much of the UK was really bombed by Germany, they seem to always focus on London, but they went way the hell up to Scotland.


They went all the way to Northern Ireland too. The IRA assisted the Nazis in killing their countrymen by compiling target lists and damage reports.

Alien Robot:re-elect_jimmy_carter:dresden is a freakin 10 hour train ride from berlin (10 hours on the limited stop train).

It's two to three hours according to the DB.

Well, that's nowadays, with uninterrupted highspeed trains. Back then the infrastructure was a bit less than top notch, what with this whole WW2 thing going on.

Alien Robot:re-elect_jimmy_carter:dresden is a freakin 10 hour train ride from berlin (10 hours on the limited stop train).

It's two to three hours according to the DB.

yea but the schnellzug is alot faster than regular trains (200kph).

make that 240kph

Suede head:dennysgod:Wow never realize how much of the UK was really bombed by Germany, they seem to always focus on London, but they went way the hell up to Scotland.


They went all the way to Northern Ireland too. The IRA assisted the Nazis in killing their countrymen by compiling target lists and damage reports.

Yeah, but De Valera, as much as he was a c*nt for having Collins killed, beat the living sh*t out of the IRA by using mass arrests and putting the f*cks in concentration camps, and letting British airmen who landed on Irish soil escape upto the North.

Hey Mum! I fink I found sumfin in the gard-

lotustuned:Suede head:dennysgod:Wow never realize how much of the UK was really bombed by Germany, they seem to always focus on London, but they went way the hell up to Scotland.


They went all the way to Northern Ireland too. The IRA assisted the Nazis in killing their countrymen by compiling target lists and damage reports.

Yeah, but De Valera, as much as he was a c*nt for having Collins killed, beat the living sh*t out of the IRA by using mass arrests and putting the f*cks in concentration camps, and letting British airmen who landed on Irish soil escape upto the North.

True. But he also sent birthday greetings to Hitler... in 1945. And he could have saved many, many thousands of allied lives and millions of tons in shipping and supplies if he'd allowed the Allies to lease an airbase. This would have closed the air gap in mid-Atlantic and the U-Boats would have been toast a year or so earlier than they were.

Kar98:The February 1945 raids on Dresden on the other hand saw 1,300 heavy bombers drop over 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices in four raids. Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000. Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and Germany was a mere 12 weeks away from surrender.

Damn right. Don't f*ck with us on our own doorstep.

Yes, this is a lot like the problems France face with old explosives.

Except those are largely located in rural, farming areas, not so close to towns.

Four and a half hours, and one Fawlty Towers reference. You people are slacking.

Alien Robot: YouPeopleAreCrazy:Jebus. Would it be too much trouble to maybe provide a link to where these alleged 'maps' are located? Some information. Anything?

UXB risk maps

Thank you.

Alien Robot: The destruction of those facilities ensured that Germany would surrender in as little as twelve weeks later

It was actually this that ensured Germany's surrender:

Göring has only got one ball
Hitler's [are] so very small
Himmler's so very similar
And Goebbels has no balls at all !!

/Germany's Nagasaki

Chula ambulances?

You know who else left unexploded bombs all over Britain?

//oh wait

Amazing that there is so much left of the unexploded bombs in the UK. However, I would guess that the problem is 5 or 10 (or 50 or 100?) times worse in Germany.

I haven't been able to find any statistics on this. Does anyone know?