Now if there were only some brach of the government charged with enforcing laws.

If they haven't done anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about, should they?

"We're going to look into legislation to make sure that people's privacy rights, particularly in law enforcement, are protected," she said.

Ironically, he said, one reason the law recognizes few privacy rights for phone records is that prosecutors and police have argued for years that no such rights exist.

To be fair, some people ARE more equal than others.

And we haven't even begun to see how badly this stupidity could become - think divorce or nasty business dealings.

How about health issues? What happens when someone's health is revealed to be compromised and, oh say, they are running for an important political office?

I won't even dive into what happens if this incredibly valuable database ever gets hacked - because that could never happen, not when it is in the hands of the incredibly competent government - right? [fully expecting to see a few NeoCon brain implosions on that one]

What's the problem? I have nothing to hide!

PiperArrow:If they haven't done anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about, should they?

Exactly. If the government isn't abusing this power, they shouldn't mind if we have the judiciary oversee their use of it. If they're not doing anything wrong, they should have nothing to hide.

If you have anything to hide, you're probably doing something "wrong" by somebody's standards. But citizens have that right. The government does not.

NeoCons!!!! Nooooooooooooo!! Libtards?? Noooooooooo!!!!

They are coming to get us all....

moothemagiccow:What's the problem? I have nothing to hide!

Database errors.
Ever heard of them?

If only there was some amendment to the constitution designed to protect all the rest of the amendments to the constitution when the government decides to ignore them.

Saw it coming years ago.

Cyxneo:Random Reality Check:moothemagiccow:What's the problem? I have nothing to hide!

Database errors.
Ever heard of them?

Buttle Tuttle - What's the difference?

Hey, our government set all this up. If the bad guys find a way to put it to use, they have only themselves to blame.

Weaver95:Hey, our government set all this up. If When the bad guys find a way to put it to use, they have only themselves to blame.

Sorry, had to.
/No pets or peeving were injured during the creation of this post.

Hahahah ROTFL. I love it how systematically removing our rights over and over and over is fine and dandy until all of a sudden a police officer's phone records might get released, then all of a sudden, OMFG WRITE A LAW!!!!

Since most of the folks screaming about Congress now are still more than willing to forgive the root of the root of the problem we obviously deserve whatever we get. I hope some of you really are proud of yourselves for cheering on the ones really behind this when it happened. Really proud of what you did.

Jacobin:Saw it coming years ago.

Man, nobody ever makes that connection. You must be quite the scholar.

That is fuhking right on.
Now the phone companies can help us ALL out, and not face penalties!

Time to go make friends at Sprint, man.

is it possible to facepalm any harder?

Mordant:Since most of the folks screaming about Congress now are still more than willing to forgive the root of the root of the problem we obviously deserve whatever we get. I hope some of you really are proud of yourselves for cheering on the ones really behind this when it happened. Really proud of what you did.

Please tell us who you feel is the root of this problem because talking in indefinites makes it kind of hard to tell if you have a point or if you should be righteously mocked.

This constitution stuff is all too complicated and wordy...Hey did you see the story about Michelle Obama telling people to buy earrings?? HAHA. Oh and some guy name Snow died...I never heard of him but it was on the talking picture box so he must have been important. I prayed to baby jesus for him.

Party Boy:is it possible to facepalm any harder?

Not without causing severe biological damage - something that they may be able to commit you for, seeing as you would be seen as possibly harmful to yourself.

That's right folks, the sane and rational among us are now some of the most dangerous people in our society.

unholycode76:This constitution stuff is all too complicated and wordy...Hey did you see the story about Michelle Obama telling people to buy earrings?? HAHA. Oh and some guy name Snow died...I never heard of him but it was on the talking picture box so he must have been important. I prayed to baby jesus for him.

Why not teenage Jesus?
He is SO underprayed to.

If only there were some sort of amendment to the Constitution banning seizures without a warrant

That would be great. Imagine if police officers had to get a warrant before stopping a car. The speed trap industry would be out of business. Driving would be a much nicer experience.

But there is no requirement for a warrant. Seizures are allowed if they are not "unreasonable" or they are done with a warrant.

ZAZ:If only there were some sort of amendment to the Constitution banning seizures without a warrant

That would be great. Imagine if police officers had to get a warrant before stopping a car. The speed trap industry would be out of business. Driving would be a much nicer experience.

But there is no requirement for a warrant. Seizures are allowed if they are not "unreasonable" or they are done with a warrant.

I came here to say THIS. But Zaz beat me to it.

Warrants are commonly required for many things, and for good reason. Just don't go around thinking it's a constitutional requirement.

Random Reality Check:Party Boy:is it possible to facepalm any harder?

Not without causing severe biological damage - something that they may be able to commit you for, seeing as you would be seen as possibly harmful to yourself.

That's right folks, the sane and rational among us are now some of the most dangerous people in our society.

Guess those mob guys I see on TV have a plan.

/Remember that thing, that that guy said the other day. Yeah, thats no good. We got do do that other thing with the other guy, next to that place.

Random Reality Check:.

better

NICKY: (Into telephone) . . . I gotta meet Clean Face right away. What
about the Chez Paree?

SUPER SUBTITLE: 'I gotta meet Charlie the Banker right away at your house, okay?'

ACE: (Into telephone) No, you, you can't. You gotta make a reservation.
ACE: (Into telephone) It's all booked up.

SUPER SUBTITLE: 'I don't want a meeting at my house.'

NICKY: (Over telephone) No, no it's okay.

ACE: (Into telephone) It's impossible. It's booked up, and you gotta make a
reservation. It's . . .
ACE: (Into telephone) . . . very difficult to get in.

NICKY: (Into telephone) Well, it's okay. I'll use the service entrance. I'll
see you at nine.

SUPER SUBTITLE: 'I'll come in from the golf course side. See you at six.'

ACE: (Over telephone) Uh . . .

FTA
"We're going to look into legislation to make sure that people's privacy rights, particularly in law enforcement, are protected," she said.

fark this.

farking politicians forget the most important thing, they are elected to represent the tax payers. They almost unanimously forget that law enforcement is paid for by our taxes. I'd rather guarantee that everyone has the right to privacy, rather than giving it to people who have a great deal of power over the public. Their operations should be transparent and open to oversight.

Guess who else would have liked to have your phone records.

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some are more equal....

FlameDuck:Guess who else would have liked to have your phone records.

dateline nbc?

Random Reality Check:unholycode76:This constitution stuff is all too complicated and wordy...Hey did you see the story about Michelle Obama telling people to buy earrings?? HAHA. Oh and some guy name Snow died...I never heard of him but it was on the talking picture box so he must have been important. I prayed to baby jesus for him.

Why not teenage Jesus?
He is SO underprayed to.

Heh. I imagine that after 2000 years, Jesus is tired of being treated as a baby.

Alphax:Random Reality Check:unholycode76:This constitution stuff is all too complicated and wordy...Hey did you see the story about Michelle Obama telling people to buy earrings?? HAHA. Oh and some guy name Snow died...I never heard of him but it was on the talking picture box so he must have been important. I prayed to baby jesus for him.

Why not teenage Jesus?
He is SO underprayed to.

Heh. I imagine that after 2000 years, Jesus is tired of being treated as a baby.

Well a grown man dressed as a baby would look a little silly in a nativity scene now wouldn't he?

Teenage Jesus? Don't forget the Jerks!

unholycode76:Well a grown man dressed as a baby would look a little silly in a nativity scene now wouldn't he?

I want to go dressed as a baby jesus (new window)

If they haven't done anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about, should they?



Yes we should, because this Government was founded on the ideals that even innocent citizens would not have their basic civil rights intruded by the government, including the fourth amendment.

dfenstrate: Warrants are commonly required for many things, and for good reason. Just don't go around thinking it's a constitutional requirement.

Bullshiat.

I am to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures, therefore no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, etc.

Are you saying that warrants are only required for "unreasonable" searches? Do you think the 4th amendment does anything?

Oh, so when privacy is in the best interest of the government then it is of paramount importance. My privacy, however, is not that big of a deal since I'm just some schmuck who doesn't matter.

Helluva country we are turning into...

t3knomanser:PiperArrow:If they haven't done anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about, should they?

Exactly. If the government isn't abusing this power, they shouldn't mind if we have the judiciary oversee their use of it. If they're not doing anything wrong, they should have nothing to hide.

To be fair, they have a legitimate concern that the release of such records could spill the beans on their informants which would jeopardize investigations as well as the informants' safety.

That doesn't stop me from basking in the sweet irony of it though.

As a Scranton native, I am really getting a kick out of these...oh wait, no one has mentioned it.

4th Amendment don't apply to telephone company records.

You mean the Bell companies are whores who will sell out their customers, break the law, and the confidentiality agreement for cash? Say it aint so! Oh, and judge you can STFU, the Fed gave them full immunity. Maybe the defense can also get all the judges phone records, see what he has been up to...

/I lol'd
//Giving up your rights because a dozen people from a personality cult destroyed a few buildings is stupid

"We're going to look into legislation to make sure that people's privacy rights, particularly in law enforcement, are protected," she said.

What really annoys me about this quote is that the priorities are exactly the opposite of what they should be.

When protecting people's rights, we should be particularly interested in the rights of the private individual first, the rights of government should be secondary.

bwesb:Oh, so when privacy is in the best interest of the government then it is of paramount importance. My privacy, however, is not that big of a deal since I'm just some schmuck who doesn't matter.

Helluva country we are turning into...

No, no, you're looking at it all wrong.
Those White House emails should now be retrievable from somewhere.
In fact, when Barrack Obama is president we'll know everything - because he believes in transparency, right?

Anyone want to bet on John Titor's 2015 vs the Mayan 2012 calendar?

SkinnyHead:4th Amendment don't apply to telephone company records.

So, your personal telephone company records have no expectation of privacy?

Then why can't I get a copy of your records legally?

And why is it that the ToS you sign when you get your telephone clearly states that your records will not be revealed unless a warrant is presented? Are you suggesting the phone company did this out of the goodness of their hearts?

strongbadd:If they haven't done anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about, should they?

Yes we should, because this Government was founded on the ideals that even innocent citizens would not have their basic civil rights intruded by the government, including the fourth amendment.

You might want to have your iron-o-meter checked.

Random Reality Check:SkinnyHead:4th Amendment don't apply to telephone company records.

So, your personal telephone company records have no expectation of privacy?

Then why can't I get a copy of your records legally?

And why is it that the ToS you sign when you get your telephone clearly states that your records will not be revealed unless a warrant is presented? Are you suggesting the phone company did this out of the goodness of their hearts?

The argument could be made that as soon as you conduct business with another private party, that party has the right to release any details about that business transaction they want. The 4th amendment does not give you the right to gag another private party, so you have to have a privacy agreement in place as part of the transaction.

If I remember correctly, since telephone companies were (and to some extent still are) government regulated monopolies, it was decided they have to protect your privacy as if they were a branch of the government and not just a private business. I think there was an act of congress a long time ago. Too lazy to go looking for it.