submitter:Driving around a roadblock to try and put out your buring house? That's a taserin'

Pretty much.

What exactly is a "buring house," subby?

Yeah, it would seem there was some militant stupidity here on the part of the alleged perp.

I'd still like to know why so many police have apparently become so incompetent that they have no better ideas of how to maintain control over someone who's handcuffed than to taser 'em.

Grrr:I'd still like to know why so many police have apparently become so incompetent that they have no better ideas of how to maintain control over someone who's handcuffed than to taser 'em.

Even though this guy sounds like a bit of a nut, I usually wonder the same thing. They did find a knife his pocket though, so I'm torn on this one.

I wish they'd of tasered him while he was carrying a big bucket of water.

That's a taserin'

EVERYTHING is a taserin' nowadays.

Deputies also say they found marijuana and a pipe on him.

Thank God they tasered him before he got really, really mellow on them!

I don't get it. He reaches into the back pocket for a knife, and so they tackle him. But once he's handcuffed and attempting to headbutt them, they can't pin him down from there? They have to tazer him instead?

A tazer WAS warranted. Just not at the headbutting stage, but the pocket-reaching stage.

Tazing in cuffs!
Whats the difference to punching in cuffs?
kicking in cuffs?
plain beating in cuffs?
nuff said

a tackled and handcuffed pothead is probably the last person I'd feel my life was threatened by.

pnjunction:Grrr:I'd still like to know why so many police have apparently become so incompetent that they have no better ideas of how to maintain control over someone who's handcuffed than to taser 'em.

Even though this guy sounds like a bit of a nut, I usually wonder the same thing. They did find a knife his pocket though, so I'm torn on this one.

a knife? umm... they never said what kind or how big of a knife it was. how BIG of a knife can someone fit in their back pocket? i love how they throw in the fact that he had marijuana with him - as if there is some sort of relevancy to that. "he was also wearing converse tennis shoes and had a beard" big deal.

Yeah, tazing in cuffs is bullshiat. Excessive force anyone?

Oh well, sounds like this guy could go from worrying about his house burning down to buying a bigger one if he gets a good lawyer.

I would like to thank Fark for re-enforcing my never ending hate for cops.

mikeweed:i love how they throw in the fact that he had marijuana with him - as if there is some sort of relevancy to that. "he was also wearing converse tennis shoes and had a beard" big deal.

Indeed. From the picture, I bet their reaction wouldn't have been nearly as extreme if he'd been clean-shaving and fancily-dressed.

pnjunction:
Oh well, sounds like this guy could go from worrying about his house buring down to buying a bigger one if he gets a good lawyer.

fty

FTA:
So, they used a Taser on him; not the kind with those wired barbs but one with an electric volt.

...as opposed to a non-electric volt?

Oh, my. I'm so proud of the police, they're such brave, courageous, manly men. Thank God they have tasers in this day and age to deal with the dangerous perps that are capable of wielding a knife while pinned and handcuffed - those drug addicts are crazy, they will do ANYTHING for their next fix!

rurdy:Deputies also say they found marijuana and a pipe on him.
Thank God they tasered him before he got really, really mellow on them!

They were protecting their box of Krispy Kremes.

I called the cops once because I saw a kid breaking into a neighbors garage. Five cop cars showed up and I walked over to tell them I made the call, and the first cop that saw me grabbed me and threw me over the hood of his car and was half way through cuffing me before I could ask him if they caught the kid.
I got a call a couple of days later and was asked to come down to the station to pickup a gift certificate to a local restaurant for doing my civic duty. I told them I don't mind helping them out, but from now on I'm not going to introduce myself when they show up.

After his arrest, police found a knife in Lewis' back pocket. That's the pocket they say he was reaching for before they tackled him to the ground.

I'm not saying it's not true, but I am saying it's awfully convenient.

cirby:FTA:
So, they used a Taser on him; not the kind with those wired barbs but one with an electric volt.

...as opposed to a non-electric volt?

So not a Taser, a stun gun.

/yes
//bug up my ass about that one

Head-butting and kicking cops, huh? Did he have his lion slippers on?

Cops can sometimes have the attitude that they control the world.

FAIL.

Cops control the "normal" world. In our day-to-day lives, we listen to them. Ho-hum, hey look! I'm doing the the speed limit, and what was that? That was a complete stop. Yay, normalcy!

Then, there's the "extra-normal" world. The realm of the emergency.

These times include your house burning down and you don't know who's inside and YOU NEED TO GET THERE, high-rise buildings falling and causing you to DRIVE THE WRONG WAY, your passenger having a heart attack and requiring you to stop right there in the middle of the road AND BLOCK TRAFFIC while you administer CPR to your dead buddy, volcanoes exploding sideways and chasing you down the highway while EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT.

There are those extra-ordinary times when cops are simply in the way of ordinary people with more important things to do than stop and wait for an indeterminate period while the emergency compounds itself at an exponential rate. Sorry, ain't doing it.

Cops I hope you're listening. If I drive onto my street and I think by the looks of things that my house is on fire, I'm going to get as close as I can until the heat drives me back. I'll make sure my boyfriend isn't still inside, and that any firemen around know the locations of the propane and oxy-acetylene tanks in the shop. I'll be banging on neighbors doors, and getting a hose into action, and really I could use your help with all of the above.

If you think your job at that moment is to hold be back behind yellow tape, you and I are about to meet up.

I'm going to be on that scene like white on rice, and if you want me to stop you better have that taser ready to go, because that's what it will take. I ain't listening to any of your "excuse me sir" or any of that crap.

We can talk about it afterwards. Write me a ticket, write me ten. If everybody's alive, I'll go to court knowing I did my job.

Sluggard Stone
got a call a couple of days later and was asked to come down to the station to pickup a gift certificate to a local restaurant...

They bought you off with Applebee's?

When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.

Who cares what that other, unbiased witness said? Police are always in the right, and would never lie in order to justify assault.

Considering that the witness contradicts one major part of their story (that he just ignored them and drove off and didn't say anything about living in the area) I'm more than happy to conclude that all of the rest of their convenient "facts" are bullshiat too.

Except the knife, I believe he had the knife... So do I... So does my grandfather... So does practically every news photog I worked with in TV... So do most of the IT guys I know... etc. etc. etc.

I fully believe that he probably had a little folding pen knife in his back pocket... However, I don't believe the bit about him reaching for it.

They just made up a whole lot of shiat to make it a "clean" tasing.

Really, you know... since cops take such pride in the thin blue line and the fact that they'll cover for each other even if it means lying... We should start doing the same. Anytime you see a cop with someone stopped, you should come forth as a witness and contradict the cop's story and try to help the guy out.

If they really feel it's them against us, we'd be suckers keep allowing it to be unilateral.

Also, every cop who discharges his taser should be forced to receive a tasing himself... every single time... for the same power level and discharge time... no matter how justified.

If it's such a "low level of force" then they really won't mind, and it might discourage some of the more frivolous tasings.

Hide your chickens:Sluggard Stone
got a call a couple of days later and was asked to come down to the station to pickup a gift certificate to a local restaurant...

They bought you off with Applebee's?

How did you know?

puffy999:Who cares what that other, unbiased witness said?

I don't know who's lying or not, but most people have some sort of bias when it comes to cops. Just look at any thread on the subject. He's also the guy's neighbour.

technicolor-misfit:Also, every cop who discharges his taser should be forced to receive a tasing himself...

Specifically, from any citizen that has been unnecessarily tased by an officer.

pnjunction:I don't know who's lying or not, but most people have some sort of bias when it comes to cops. Just look at any thread on the subject. He's also the guy's neighbour.

Sure, SOME sort of bias.
However, if I personally witness a person being tased, I'm NOT going to risk my ass and lie about how the cops were in the wrong. There's no reason to; even if your best friend is there, don't give false testimony (in court or to a newspaper).

It's certainly a different ball-game when the police are involved. It's not even arguable, it's a fact that police will cover for one-another. It's part of their "code" as officers.
Now, they won't necessarily cover for an officer for murder (though that HAS happened), but for something like this? Absolutely... you'll even have officers who didn't see anything claiming that they did.

puffy999:However, if I personally witness a person being tased, I'm NOT going to risk my ass and lie about how the cops were in the wrong.

I wouldn't either, but people are stupid. It's hard to say in this case, if there was more than one witness it would be clincher.

Jeff_from_MD:I don't get it. He reaches into the back pocket for a knife, and so they tackle him. But once he's handcuffed and attempting to headbutt them, they can't pin him down from there? They have to tazer him instead?

A tazer WAS warranted. Just not at the headbutting stage, but the pocket-reaching stage.

That's not what the neighbor says happened. Why would the police ever want to lie?

Oh no! the wacky weed! Hey, I actually smoked today, then fooled around with PHP, then went and taped some street musicians. I also bought groceries, did some hill climbing on the bike, and picked up some furniture. Guess that stuff makes you lazy.

I don't see why cops aren't monitored more to clear the water in these situations. A simple audio recorder would provide some insight into what went on and be valuable to the courts.

Of course I know the real reason: they'd fight it tooth and nail.

EsteeFlwrPot:When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.



/This is why CIVIL courts are busy and lawyers are rich

lajimi:i236.photobucket.com

Wow, I'd be really interested to see what that graph does after 2004.

There is a REASON these people are called pigs.

"This level of force, even with the Taser being deployed, is still considered to be a low level of force,"

As opposed to the "high" level of force in the form of a curb stomping or toilet plunger up the arse.

EsteeFlwrPot:When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.

At least one little old lady has already been murdered in her own home by the police, executing a no-knock warrant on the wrong house. You'll notice the lack of people going batshiat.

We've stopped caring as a society how those in power behave. As a result, they're going to do whatever they damn well please.

Sluggard Stone:I called the cops once because I saw a kid breaking into a neighbors garage. Five cop cars showed up and I walked over to tell them I made the call, and the first cop that saw me grabbed me and threw me over the hood of his car and was half way through cuffing me before I could ask him if they caught the kid.
I got a call a couple of days later and was asked to come down to the station to pickup a gift certificate to a local restaurant for doing my civic duty. I told them I don't mind helping them out, but from now on I'm not going to introduce myself when they show up.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Reminds me of a story I read a couple of years ago that happened in Fresno, CA. A suspect was handcuffed and in the back of a police car where he was thrashing about and trying to kick out the rear window. The female office that arrested him pulled out her taser and zapped him. Rather, that is what she intended to do, instead she pulled her service pistol out and shot him in the chest, killing him. Major lawsuit (of course) but I don't recall for how much. Too bad this had to happen before somebody realized that carrying a black service pistol and a black taser pistol both on your right hip is a bad idea.

lajimi:EsteeFlwrPot:When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.



/This is why CIVIL courts are busy and lawyers are rich

Florida... it's gotta be something in the water.

Zulgaines:Florida... it's gotta be something in the water.

What did you think would happen when you dumped every retiree that the northeast couldn't stand, redneck trailer trash, and tens of thousands of Hispanic refugees into a godforsaken mosquito-infested swamp?

lajimi:EsteeFlwrPot:When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.



/This is why CIVIL courts are busy and lawyers are rich

What interests me most about that map(if correct)is the jump.

kzp7:Reminds me of a story I read a couple of years ago that happened in Fresno, CA. A suspect was handcuffed and in the back of a police car where he was thrashing about and trying to kick out the rear window. The female office that arrested him pulled out her taser and zapped him. Rather, that is what she intended to do, instead she pulled her service pistol out and shot him in the chest, killing him. Major lawsuit (of course) but I don't recall for how much. Too bad this had to happen before somebody realized that carrying a black service pistol and a black taser pistol both on your right hip is a bad idea.

I guess, except that there was no urgent need to taser him, and she should have been able to tell the difference between a taser and a pistol.

Occam's Chainsaw:EsteeFlwrPot:When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.

At least one little old lady has already been murdered in her own home by the police, executing a no-knock warrant on the wrong house. You'll notice the lack of people going batshiat.

We've stopped caring as a society how those in power behave. As a result, they're going to do whatever they damn well please.

Amen. And as someone who doesn't own firearms, isn't this what my armed brethren argue as the main reason for bearing?

baka-san:lajimi:EsteeFlwrPot:When someone dies from being tasered everyones gonna go batshiat.



/This is why CIVIL courts are busy and lawyers are rich

What interests me most about that map(if correct)is the jump.

Why? More use = more dead folks. Simple.

kzp7 - Reminds me of a story I read a couple of years ago that happened in Fresno, CA. A suspect was handcuffed and in the back of a police car where he was thrashing about and trying to kick out the rear window. The female office that arrested him pulled out her taser and zapped him. Rather, that is what she intended to do, instead she pulled her service pistol out and shot him in the chest, killing him. Major lawsuit (of course) but I don't recall for how much. Too bad this had to happen before somebody realized that carrying a black service pistol and a black taser pistol both on your right hip is a bad idea.


I wonder if she had that feeling like you have the moment you begin swinging your door closed as you realize you left your keys inside.

Like I wonder, just as she began to apply pressure to the trigger, if there was there that split second recognition of "wait! this doesn't feel like my taser..."

And as much as I hate to say it, beyond the tragedy of it, that's pretty goddamn funny... I would have loved to have seen a close-up slo-mo replay of her face just as the gun discharged.


(which of course assumes that she didn't just flip her lid and then make up the "meant to grab my taser" stuff after the fact)

lewismarktwo:Why? More use = more dead folks. Simple.

I applaud America's approach to the global overpopulation problem.