Whiners.

Rich white elitists see nothing wrong with the economy? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

Who's running the Republicans these days and why are they getting so lazy? Where are the recordings of applause and fake cardboard box backdrops?

McCainDemocrat said that he expects McCain to "do the right thing" for America's families. I wonder if that includes asking people to "feel better" about the problems in the economy.

About a year ago, I caught a segment on Hardball where Tweety and some pundits where sitting around discussing why Bush wasn't getting more credit for the great economy. They just couldn't understand why the polls and surveys showed that the American people where worried and pessimistic about the economy. They just couldn't figure it out.

That's when I realized, everyone of those pundits was a millionaire. They were all rich. Everyone in their social circle was rich, too. So as they go around hobnobbing on the cocktail party circuit, everyone they talk to was doing fine.

They simply had no concept of the life of an average American. Yet, in a demonstration of their huge arrogance, they just assume that their experience is the average American's experience, that their opinions are the average American's opinions.

SphericalTime:McCainDemocrat said that he expects McCain to "do the right thing" for America's families. I wonder if that includes asking people to "feel better" about the problems in the economy.

Ancient Republican Congressfixtures have a track record for this:

Whip
Inflation
Now!

That was some brilliance, right there. (new window)

Nestea Plunge:Kind of like how peasants and cash taxes drove the economies of the Middle Ages. The nobility knew the peasantry was responsible for their wealth and lives of leisure, but they just didn't care.

Quite similar. As long as you can enjoy the luxury of your manor house why the peasants toil in the fields where you can see them.

That's the problem with poor people, they just don't like the truth. No amount of whining will help the economy; people have to roll up their sleeves and apply some old fashion American elbow grease.

or, we could just eat the rich.

/whining and dining

That's the problem with poor people, they just don't like the truth. No amount of whining will help the economy; people have to roll up their sleeves and apply some old fashion American elbow grease.

"Indeed. So let's repeal the tax cuts."

"Um. Can't we just use some illegal immigrant elbow grease?"

The polling numbers next week should be interesting.

Nurglitch:That's the problem with poor people, they just don't like the truth. No amount of whining will help the economy; people have to roll up their sleeves and apply some old fashion American elbow grease.

Boy, I'm actually surpised I'm agreeing with you.

I'd respond to this, but I'm too busy whining to get any work done.

Your Faith is Creepy:or, we could just eat the rich.

/whining and dining

I'll have a flank steak of Limbaugh with truffle shavings.

/you can really taste those bovine growth hormones... mmmm-MMMMMmmm

I am starting to feel sorry for the McCain campaign


/Just a little

the crux of right-wing ideology: the idea that non-rich people are entirely to blame for any misfortunes they encounter.


That hits the nail on the head.

I support Obama because he understands we need a final solution to the white problem.

I would love to see the spin on this, but my mental recession has left me unable to process anything. Oh well, I suppose that's what I get for whining.

Welcome to the D McSame.

/You cannot has Michigan
//not yours!

i guess when you cash in millions of dollars for helping companies like Enron and UBS obliterate the economy it's hard to see what all the fuss is about

I'm currently working 70+ hours a week to make ends meet. But I do agree there are a lot of whiners. I didn't just sulk and ask for handouts I got extra side jobs and kept on working.

In a sense, he's right. The biggest problem with the economy is consumer confidence. Most places really aren't THAT bad, but we're told of the coming doom by the media because of the housing bubble bursting.

Low consumer confidence is a psychological thing. However, that problem manifests itself through slower spending, at which point we get an actual recession. Our service based economy can only function as long as consumer confidence is at an acceptable level.

But then again, how many people went out and bought iPhones today?

Nurglitch:That's the problem with poor people, they just don't like the truth. No amount of whining will help the economy; people have to roll up their sleeves and apply some old fashion American elbow grease.

I hope this is a troll.
If I live in a town where the major employers aren't hiring, and I've been laid off, it must be my fault according to you. I can't move, as I've no money. I can't start a business because I've no money. Yet I've busted my ass for years and years with some good old fashioned American elbow grease. What am I doing wrong, on Great One?

McCain will lose the election if the general public remembers this gaffe at all come November.

I love that Sadly, No! got linked here. It's a pretty hilarious site.

sarcastrophe:But then again, how many people went out and bought iPhones today?

I'm curious as to how many people bought iPhones today on credit cards that already have them up to their ears in debt they can't realistically pay back.

Aarontology:I'm curious as to how many people bought iPhones today on credit cards that already have them up to their ears in debt they can't realistically pay back.

What does it matter? We'll probably bail them out eventually.

rppp01a:McCain will lose the election if the general public remembers this gaffe at all come November.

FTFA -

See, Gramm's "let the whiners eat goddamn cake" statement doesn't really qualify as a "gaffe," because he actually meant it to come off as it did. Gaffes are statements or phrases that are poorly-worded and that can be interpreted as crude or offensive. When Crazy Phil Gramm says that the economy is really in awesome shape and that the American people are just a bunch of sissified whiners, he really means it. This, my friends, is the crux of right-wing ideology: the idea that non-rich people are entirely to blame for any misfortunes they encounter. T'ain't no gaffe, son.

TFA:This, my friends, is the crux of right-wing ideology: the idea that non-rich people are entirely to blame for any misfortunes they encounter.

/worth repeating

YakBoy42:See, Gramm's "let the whiners eat goddamn cake" statement doesn't really qualify as a "gaffe," because he actually meant it to come off as it did. Gaffes are statements or phrases that are poorly-worded and that can be interpreted as crude or offensive.

My bad. Thank you.

So McCain is going for the pity vote?

Gramm is a dittohead!!! Who'd've thunk it!

sarcastrophe:Low consumer confidence is a psychological thing. However, that problem manifests itself through slower spending, at which point we get an actual recession. Our service based economy can only function as long as consumer confidence is at an acceptable level.

I certainly don't think the combination of skyrocketing gas and food prices, putting the squeeze on consumers' wallets is psychological

sarcastrophe:What does it matter? We'll probably bail them out eventually.

In the grand scheme of thing, I suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot. Things like that are just what I wonder when a fancy new shiny gadget comes out. Especially ones that are more or less frivolous.

The biggest problem is how to determine who is willfully or ignorantly screwing themselves over with debt, and who is putting themselves into deep debt merely to keep going on with life.

I know I'm not the only person to say it, but we as a people can't continue to think that the luxury we have had in the last couple decades is going to always be cheap and sustainable. We're going to have to learn to cut back on some of the unimportant things and be a bit more realistic about our money.

depmode98:sarcastrophe:Low consumer confidence is a psychological thing. However, that problem manifests itself through slower spending, at which point we get an actual recession. Our service based economy can only function as long as consumer confidence is at an acceptable level.

I certainly don't think the combination of skyrocketing gas and food prices, putting the squeeze on consumers' wallets is psychological

No shiat. I make good money in software, but back where I am from the cost of living is super cheap so the wages in factories are $10 an hour. Try not getting nervous with $4 gas on that. Anybody who says this is psychological lives an isolated life and has no idea what a working mans life is like. Something liek that automatically disqualifies you to lead the country.

McCain is done

SphericalTime:McCainDemocrat said that he expects McCain to "do the right thing" for America's families. I wonder if that includes asking people to "feel better" about the problems in the economy.

Wow. Feeding a troll before he even joins the thread. C'mon now.

sarcastrophe:In a sense, he's right. The biggest problem with the economy is consumer confidence. Most places really aren't THAT bad, but we're told of the coming doom by the media because of the housing bubble bursting.

Low consumer confidence is a psychological thing. However, that problem manifests itself through slower spending, at which point we get an actual recession. Our service based economy can only function as long as consumer confidence is at an acceptable level.

But then again, how many people went out and bought iPhones today?

Once again we agree.
Recession: Even economists will tell you we aren't in a recession. It's a slow market to be sure but it's climbed more than it's dropped and it's never dropped consecutivly enough to be considered a recession.

Whiners How many Farkers make fun of the "Precious Snowflake" meme? How about everyone claiming they are offended by the stupidest shiat. We are a country that has grown soft in our Largess.

I am however, confused. Obama says "The deficit aint going nowhere and I'm gonna spend more of yo money" and he's lauded as being Brave and speaking "hard truth". When a McCain advisor speaks the truth (We're not in a recession and we're a country of whiners) he's lambasted as out of touch. He's not, he's speaking the "hard truth" like Obama. Give him some credit!!!
whaaaaaaaaaa Give McCain credit! Whaaaaaaaaa

PascalsGhost:depmode98:sarcastrophe:Low consumer confidence is a psychological thing. However, that problem manifests itself through slower spending, at which point we get an actual recession. Our service based economy can only function as long as consumer confidence is at an acceptable level.

I certainly don't think the combination of skyrocketing gas and food prices, putting the squeeze on consumers' wallets is psychological

No shiat. I make good money in software, but back where I am from the cost of living is super cheap so the wages in factories are $10 an hour. Try not getting nervous with $4 gas on that. Anybody who says this is psychological lives an isolated life and has no idea what a working mans life is like. Something liek that automatically disqualifies you to lead the country.

McCain is done

HA...good point. From military service as a pilot, who are uauassly officers, even if just NCOs, to political service...theres some hard work and toil for ya. Im sure his grasp of how the "evergae american" lives is somewhere in the 0 range.

But remeber...you dont need to know anything, or even have a good understanding of the current sitaution of the country as long as you have ilitary experience.

/service guarantees citizenship...
//would you like to know more?

This is like '92 all over again. McCain, like Bush I, is viewed as a social moderate, so he can't swing this election to being about gay marriage or abortion. When it's about the economy, Joe Six-pack usually agrees with the Dems over the Republican.

CanisNoir:sarcastrophe:In a sense, he's right. The biggest problem with the economy is consumer confidence. Most places really aren't THAT bad, but we're told of the coming doom by the media because of the housing bubble bursting.

Low consumer confidence is a psychological thing. However, that problem manifests itself through slower spending, at which point we get an actual recession. Our service based economy can only function as long as consumer confidence is at an acceptable level.

But then again, how many people went out and bought iPhones today?

Once again we agree.
Recession: Even economists will tell you we aren't in a recession. It's a slow market to be sure but it's climbed more than it's dropped and it's never dropped consecutivly enough to be considered a recession.

Whiners How many Farkers make fun of the "Precious Snowflake" meme? How about everyone claiming they are offended by the stupidest shiat. We are a country that has grown soft in our Largess.

I am however, confused. Obama says "The deficit aint going nowhere and I'm gonna spend more of yo money" and he's lauded as being Brave and speaking "hard truth". When a McCain advisor speaks the truth (We're not in a recession and we're a country of whiners) he's lambasted as out of touch. He's not, he's speaking the "hard truth" like Obama. Give him some credit!!!
whaaaaaaaaaa Give McCain credit! Whaaaaaaaaa

You know you're arguing with the fourth boddhisattwa of Whoopty Whoo, right?

VictoryCabal:About a year ago, I caught a segment on Hardball where Tweety and some pundits where sitting around discussing why Bush wasn't getting more credit for the great economy. They just couldn't understand why the polls and surveys showed that the American people where worried and pessimistic about the economy. They just couldn't figure it out.

That's when I realized, everyone of those pundits was a millionaire. They were all rich. Everyone in their social circle was rich, too. So as they go around hobnobbing on the cocktail party circuit, everyone they talk to was doing fine.

They simply had no concept of the life of an average American. Yet, in a demonstration of their huge arrogance, they just assume that their experience is the average American's experience, that their opinions are the average American's opinions.

You may enjoy Bob Somerby's blog; he's been saying much the same regarding the media for the last 10 years.

CanisNoir:I am however, confused. Obama says "The deficit aint going nowhere and I'm gonna spend more of yo money"

Yes, because as a black man Obama always sounds so "ghetto" when he makes speeches. Dumbass.

When a McCain advisor speaks the truth (We're not in a recession and we're a country of whiners) he's lambasted as out of touch.

McCain apparently thinks we're in a recession.

"Look, Americans are fed up and I understand it and so if we're technically in a recession, I would imagine we are."

So which is it?

"I'm gonna spend more of yo money"

Got a link to the speach where he said that? You don't? He never said anything of the sort but You made it up because it fits your view of him? Got ya.

And please explain how what gramm said is "true". People need gas to go to work and the have to eat you know. And you do know what 2 things have skyrocketed in price the last few years are don't you?

Fart_Machine:CanisNoir:I am however, confused. Obama says "The deficit aint going nowhere and I'm gonna spend more of yo money"

Yes, because as a black man Obama always sounds so "ghetto" when he makes speeches. Dumbass.

When a McCain advisor speaks the truth (We're not in a recession and we're a country of whiners) he's lambasted as out of touch.

McCain apparently thinks we're in a recession.

"Look, Americans are fed up and I understand it and so if we're technically in a recession, I would imagine we are."

So which is it?

McCain's wrong; but of course he was going to say it because of all the "whining" over what Gramm said. (Gee, so much whining about Gramm calling us whiners - who's head is going to asspload first? I'm rooting for Olberman) So yea McCain was pandering to the whiners with that statement.

He *should* have said "Slower market" ; because he *obviously* knows that Gas Prices are hurting most Americans, as he's the only one to come up with a plan other than "Take dem Profits away from dem evil oil companies" and it might actually help them.

In Short: Grhamm was more right than Wrong and McCain calling it a Recession was more pandering than right.

/surprised I answered the way I did?

steveo:Rich white elitists see nothing wrong with the economy? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

If it's not affecting them personally, why should they care? If banks hadn't been giving irresponsible loans to irresponsible people, it'd be less of a mess right now.

I'm sorry, but if you buy something like a home on an ARM, you deserve no sympathy. You bought more house than you can afford. If you live within your means, these downturns become a lot less taxing.

If you've fallen ill, or lost your job, I extend my sympathies, but many people went crazy during the housing boom, and bought outside of their means. Now those same people are the ones screaming "predatory lending". If you don't understand the terms of a loan, don't sign the contract, you jackass.

Maybe because they are starting to complain about all the laws that Phil Graham pushed through that have screwed up the economy.

Like the Enron Loophole.

"In their sties with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking"

40 years later and some things never change

RIP George

He needs to ditch his simpering smile.
It just doesn't work.

mcbush sucks a mcdick

CanisNoir:Fart_Machine:CanisNoir:I am however, confused. Obama says "The deficit aint going nowhere and I'm gonna spend more of yo money"

Yes, because as a black man Obama always sounds so "ghetto" when he makes speeches. Dumbass.

When a McCain advisor speaks the truth (We're not in a recession and we're a country of whiners) he's lambasted as out of touch.

McCain apparently thinks we're in a recession.

"Look, Americans are fed up and I understand it and so if we're technically in a recession, I would imagine we are."

So which is it?

McCain's wrong; but of course he was going to say it because of all the "whining" over what Gramm said. (Gee, so much whining about Gramm calling us whiners - who's head is going to asspload first? I'm rooting for Olberman) So yea McCain was pandering to the whiners with that statement.

He *should* have said "Slower market" ; because he *obviously* knows that Gas Prices are hurting most Americans, as he's the only one to come up with a plan other than "Take dem Profits away from dem evil oil companies" and it might actually help them.

In Short: Grhamm was more right than Wrong and McCain calling it a Recession was more pandering than right.

/surprised I answered the way I did?

In summary, everything our politicians say is crap.

All we can assume is that Obama will work toward national healthcare and getting out of Iraq, while McCain will work toward expanding the war and cutting taxes, because thats what they'll do based on the letter by their name.

/Is that what you mean?

"/is that what you mean?"

Close.

He meant R = good. D = Bad.