I was just reading about this in the local Sunday Paper. Interesting.

The guy in the photo is flipping us off.

GaryPDX:I was just reading about this in the local Sunday Paper. Interesting.

yeah, it is.... where are all the Patriot Act bashers?

real shaman:GaryPDX:I was just reading about this in the local Sunday Paper. Interesting.

yeah, it is.... where are all the Patriot Act bashers?

Well..I'm one of those PA bashers but here there were finger printing overseas and they were coming up hits from crimes committed in America. I don't see the PA being an issue on this topic.

/or am I missing something?

GaryPDX:/or am I missing something?

info sharing was part of the PA. This would not have been known had there not been a lot of interagency sharing.

also missed the gasoline I was throwing....

This is why I hate it when people say criminals are stupid.

I grant you that some criminals are in fact stupid, but they make it seem like every criminal is stupid.

Then you find out that the police and the government have their stupid moments also.

So who is stupid here?

jaylectricity:So who is stupid here?

just on the off-chance, I'll suggest YOU!

This tells you that OMG THE TERRORISTS WERE HERE!!!

And didn't blow anything up while they were.

I thought that was their whole plan.

/CSI would've found this out in twelve seconds

Like terrorists through the hour glass so are the fingerprints of our lives.

Maybe they moved back to fight for their country.

*cough*PROPAGANDA*cough*

DRUGS=TERRORISM!!!!1

even the paper was underwhelmed by the stats. i had to read through 30+ column inches to find out 40 out of 3800 scans showed a person with an american arrest record.

it's almost november: everyone panic!!!

Ok, now that we got that out of the way, I find this pretty weird, and a little bit suspicious, don't you think?.

to take a simplistic view: sandnubian criminals=terrorist.
there are many problems at issue here with fingerprinting foreigners through our database. shouldnt that be reserved for americans only?? Is there a violation of foreign rights or do they not have a government over there? I'm sure if someone took a look into US armed forces they would find many many prior (civilian) criminals.

/lets call b.s. for what it is.
//patriotic

When you buy weed another terrorist gets a gun!

/errr somethin
//pass the blunt mayn

deadstare:*cough*PROPAGANDA*cough*

Pretty much.
1. Arrest and deport foreign nationals due to criminal record.
2. Go to country of said foreign national and fingerprint them.
3. Profit?

Not really. The ones we have to worry about are the ones for whom we have no information. It's not the idiot that got deported because he snorted coke in Jersey we have to worry about - it's the person who has no record anywhere, who saunters in unnoticed, that should be a concern.

The records suggest that potential enemies abroad know a great deal about the United States because many of them have lived here, officials said.

In other news, every single person ever admitted to the United States on a work visa is a potential terrorist!

Sheesh. Yet another "Look! Our tax dollars at work saving scared white people by making them scared!" article.

deadstare:*cough*PROPAGANDA*cough*

Yeah, because anything that might in any way vindicate government policy must be propaganda disseminated by the administration.

/if you were trolling, +1 for you

"It suggests there was some familiarity with Western culture, the United States specifically, and for whatever reason they did not agree with that culture," he said. "Either they became disaffected or put up with it, and then they went overseas."

They came here to study? That's impossible. They hate us because they are poor, illiterate peasants whose only experience with Americans is when great satan destroyed their family's hut with smart bombs. If they actually met American citizens there would be mutual understanding between our peoples.

Errors in matching, though rare, have occurred.

How do they know ?

In a noted 2004 case, Oregon lawyer Brandon Mayfield was erroneously named as a suspect in the Madrid train bombings that killed 191 people.

If 'Brandon Mayfield', although a Muslim, a white man practising law in Oregon, had been 'Mohammed bin Talel', an Arab man farming in Afghanistan, how likely is it that he'd now be enjoying a government apology and a large cheque, as opposed to having been shipped off to God knows where ?

Now when we kill a little kid's family we can fingerprint him so that he can't come for revenge when he grows up. War is hell but these people are set on killing Americans. I will not lose any sleep over us turning away little haajis at the border because they could have potentially been a spotter for an IED.

Fingerprinting Foreigners?



/hotlinked for your protection
//hot blooded also

Noooo, they came here and saw us blissfully ignorant and uncaring of our smart bombs blasting apart their family's hut, and got more pissed off.

Does this mean that they've been fingerprinting people for years are and are only NOW checking them?

Aren't people here on visas expelled if arrested for a crime? Wouldn't that mean being sent back to their own country? Doesn't this all make sense in some untwisted and conspicuous manner?

USA! USA! USA! AMERICA KICKED THOSE GODLESS BATHISTS AND JIHADISTS BACK TO ARABIA! FREE IRAQ, FREE WORLD! NO HUSSEIN OSAMA IN '08. MCCAIN FOR FREEDOM!

SaintAnky:/hotlinked for your protection

That's cold as ice.

TheyCallThisWork:even the paper was underwhelmed by the stats. i had to read through 30+ column inches to find out 40 out of 3800 scans showed a person with an american arrest record.

it's almost november: everyone panic!!!

good point

Should we really be surprised by this? The ideological founder of Al Queda studied in America and was inspired to preach jihad by the outrage he felted at the indecency and moral decay he discovered in 1950s small town Middle America. Girls wore skirts, men and women danced together, it was too much for the young muslim male to handle. It's something to consider as the Bush administration has drastically boosted the number of student visas for places like Saudi Arabia

felt*

Dirt farmer... ahaha

Does this mean the US justice system breeds terrorists?

/it was on my conclusion mat

"And the man stopped at a checkpoint in Tikrit who claimed to be a dirt farmer but had 11 felony charges in the United States, including assault with a deadly weapon."

A dirt farmer? Couldn't he have thought of a better lie than that?

Wow if I didn't know the difference between Al Qaeda and any schmuck in a turban we stop and call a terrorist this would be alarming.

SaintAnky:Fingerprinting Foreigners?



/hotlinked for your protection
//hot blooded also

FTW!

Also, thanks for the delicious beer you delivered to my house party.

moeriscus:
Yeah, because anything that might in any way vindicate government policy must be propaganda disseminated by the administration.

Fail.

They're planning on incorporating a biometric ID here in the US. The only question is whether it will be forced or requested. Start telling people that government is farking up and possibly false flagging non-terrorists while the real ones slip through cracks and see what happens. "Verichip please."

/foil hat please

Wanted for questioning?

rotskyinstitute:USA! USA! USA! AMERICA KICKED THOSE GODLESS BATHISTS AND JIHADISTS BACK TO ARABIA! FREE IRAQ, FREE WORLD! NO HUSSEIN OSAMA IN '08. MCCAIN FOR FREEDOM!

Good god I hope that was a troll, otherwise that level of stupidity could be dangerous for society at large.

Alacritous:This tells you that OMG THE TERRORISTS WERE HERE!!!

And didn't blow anything up while they were.

I thought that was their whole plan.

I think the point is that foreign nationals (I think -- I didn't see anything about citizens) who have committed crimes and are also disaffected with the US have been leaving the country and joining terrorist groups.

The other point is that there is a pretty huge payoff to law enforcement agencies sharing data, which unfortunately has been a long time coming.

What ever happened to the crybaby muslim sympathisers that used to post/lurk here? Seen the light perhaps? Fighting their own jihad from behind mum's burkha? I kind of miss the blokes. They seemed pretty brave and all that.

Considering what happened in the Brandon Mayfield case, i am VERY sceptical of this. Sounds like they got a vague match and claimed that must have been him.

Since they are in Afghanistan, I would say that they have a hash collision in their software.

They need more proof than just fingerprints since fingerprints are matched on partial points, not full pattern matches.

My gut feeling is that this is more FUD in the war on terra.

lookatme:What ever happened to the crybaby muslim sympathisers that used to post/lurk here? Seen the light perhaps? Fighting their own jihad from behind mum's burkha? I kind of miss the blokes. They seemed pretty brave and all that.

I'll give that a 4 out of 10. Really not a bad troll, but perhaps a bit over the top.

FTFA: A recent inspector general report found the FBI fingerprint matching to be generally accurate.

WTF does generally accurate mean? And how on earth would anyone go about proving a specific false-positive case?

LOL, was that you mother?

In other news, a growing trade in new fingers is blooming.

//Stubby