And we thought Clinton was bad...

Well we DO owe them quite a bit of money, so let's not piss them off the way we did our oil suppliers.

well it's not like we've got a stellar record on human rights anymore. So there's that.

Well, I'm still not watching them. Not that I would anyway, but I'm especially not watching them this year. China doesn't deserve the Olympics.

GAT_00:Well, I'm still not watching them. Not that I would anyway, but I'm especially not watching them this year. China doesn't deserve the Olympics.

NJ deserves the Olympics.

Try the 100 meter Camden bullet dodge dash.

Malacon:

"I said 'no tongues' and I meant it." -Young Girl

GAT_00:Well, I'm still not watching them. Not that I would anyway, but I'm especially not watching them this year. China doesn't deserve the Olympics.

I wonder if the gold farmers will try to impersonate an Olympic gamer and try to steal his gold medal(s)....?

Weaver95:I wonder if the gold farmers will try to impersonate an Olympic gamer and try to steal his gold medal(s)....?

*snort* They'd better try it on a rogue so they can vanish.

NeverDrunk23:NJ deserves the Olympics.

I'm saying how about it go to a country that doesn't have human rights violations? And yes, I fully realize that we can't have it either.

The Chinese have even named a dish after him. Sweet and Sour Retard.

GAT_00:Weaver95:I wonder if the gold farmers will try to impersonate an Olympic gamer and try to steal his gold medal(s)....?

*snort* They'd better try it on a rogue so they can vanish.



I'll bet we see a bunch of people named 'asdfjkl;' running a constant path around the Olympic games stadium 24/7 and farming all the events. Oh, and they're all hunters of course.

GAT_00:I'm saying how about it go to a country that doesn't have human rights violations? And yes, I fully realize that we can't have it either.

Man... I hope all the Olympiads really like Scandinavia, cause we're going to be there a lot.

Boycotting Moscow was a dumb idea from a PR perspective, and same for boycotting Beijing this year.

clgrin:GAT_00:I'm saying how about it go to a country that doesn't have human rights violations? And yes, I fully realize that we can't have it either.

Man... I hope all the Olympiads really like Scandinavia, cause we're going to be there a lot.

What about Switzerland? How about Antarctica?

McCainDemocrat:Boycotting Moscow was a dumb idea from a PR perspective, and same for boycotting Beijing this year.

coming from you, that's no surprise....

Either the Olympics are some monument to peace and international relations where we put aside our difference and come together in the spirit of athletic competition.. or they are not.

We knew who the Chinese communists were when we let them have the Olympics.. why give it to them and then say "oh, well they are bad so let's not go to the opening ceremony?"

Dumb coont.

Seriously.

GAT_00:Weaver95:I wonder if the gold farmers will try to impersonate an Olympic gamer and try to steal his gold medal(s)....?

*snort* They'd better try it on a rogue so they can vanish.

NeverDrunk23:NJ deserves the Olympics.

I'm saying how about it go to a country that doesn't have human rights violations? And yes, I fully realize that we can't have it either.

name one country that has not, at some point, had human rights violations. the ONLY one I can think of would be canada.

BiffDangler:Either the Olympics are some monument to peace and international relations where we put aside our difference and come together in the spirit of athletic competition.. or they are not.

We knew who the Chinese communists were when we let them have the Olympics.. why give it to them and then say "oh, well they are bad so let's not go to the opening ceremony?"

Violence in Tibet since then, I guess.

If we make them mad, they will raise the interest rates on all the money Bush borrowed for our stimulus checks that most people spent buying products made in China anyways.

How about instead of blindly boycotting the olympics we use them as a way to gently push china towards a more open and market driven society? Sure, I don't like what they do over there either, but trying to do the political equivalent of sending them to their room isn't going to help move china towards a free society.

Well they own our asses like the feckless, obese, gas guzzling, transfat slurping retards that we are as a nation.

Bloated and dumb is no way to go through life son.

and here i would have thought the racist, anti-chinese crap would have been coming from idiots like mccaindemo and the nativists in either party, but that it actually comes from some of the proponents of the 'change' candidate is a little peculiar.

While China does have human rights issues they need to resolve, in some matters they have made far more improvements than any other nation. In the last 30 years, they have transformed from a nation in which only a small percentage of the population had access to clean water, health care, and education, to a nation in which these essential aspects are nearly universal. They lack some political freedoms, but in contrast, democratic India has seen 7,000 political prisoners murdered in the last 7 years, and has much greater intra-society inequity that is in no danger of becoming a part of the past.

Just because Bush does it doesn't mean it's wrong, folks.

Weaver95:well it's not like we've got a stellar record on human rights anymore. So there's that.

Maybe he wants to go there to trade notes on how to keep human rights problems on a lower profile.

I can see him saying, "We can learn a great deal from how the Chinese treat their people."

proteus_b:They lack some political freedoms

*snicker*

Man On Fire:name one country that has not, at some point, had human rights violations. the ONLY one I can think of would be canada.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Canada's historical record on dealing with native people. Our Prime Minister just gave an apology for the residential schools that they were forced to attend.

If a country has been around for more than a week, they've committed human rights violations. It's just a question of how badly they've violated them.

IIRC, Beijing was competing against Toronto to host the games.

I couldn't care less about the Olympics but I'm glad they won because it's inconceivable to me that our municipal government would have been able to prepare properly. The public transit system would be choked, the police would be spread vanishingly thin, there'd be more than the usual amount of government graft, none of the economic benefits would have found their way to me or to anyone I care about, and the city would have ended up in debt for 30+ years like Montreal did. Thanks, China!

The Tony Danzas:If a country has been around for more than a week, they've committed human rights violations. It's just a question of how badly they've violated them.

It's also particularly offensive if said country has rules about cruel and unusual punishments. In our case, we even had it underlined - NO cruelity. Ever.

*sigh*

Who do you think financed that stimulus check to buy Chinese made televisions? Fark the totalitarian Chinese and their Neo-Con brethren.

pleasepleasepleaseplease......

proteus_b:and here i would have thought the racist, anti-chinese crap would have been coming from idiots like mccaindemo and the nativists in either party, but that it actually comes from some of the proponents of the 'change' candidate is a little peculiar.

While China does have human rights issues they need to resolve, in some matters they have made far more improvements than any other nation. In the last 30 years, they have transformed from a nation in which only a small percentage of the population had access to clean water, health care, and education, to a nation in which these essential aspects are nearly universal. They lack some political freedoms, but in contrast, democratic India has seen 7,000 political prisoners murdered in the last 7 years, and has much greater intra-society inequity that is in no danger of becoming a part of the past.

Just because Bush does it doesn't mean it's wrong, folks.

Naomi Klein just wrote an extensive piece on the overwhelming, Orwellian surveillance infrastructure that is in place in China.

China's all seeing eye (new window)

Essentially people are filmed all of the time and have zero privacy. A grand firewall prohibits internet access to any anti-China information.

Just because Bush does it doesn't mean it's wrong, folks


Show me an example of that asshole being on the decent and humanitarian side of any issue and I'll acquiesce with your argument.

OneBrightMonkey:Show me an example of that asshole being on the decent and humanitarian side of any issue and I'll acquiesce with your argument.

I rather liked his immigration stance -- but he caved to the nativists like the fake cowboy he is.

Weaver95:well it's not like we've got a stellar record on human rights anymore. So there's that.


Anymore? Human rights violations are a time-honored tradition in this country. This country was founded on the slaughter and oppression of pretty much everybody in sight.

Bush is a conservative, after all. He's just conserving the part about America where we do whatever the fark we want to anybody we can get our hands on.

Control_this 2008-07-06 11:47:12 AM
Well we DO owe them quite a bit of money, so let's not piss them off the way we did our oil suppliers.


Holy shiat someone who thinks
thank you

Weaver95:well it's not like we've got a stellar record on human rights anymore. So there's that.

We had one in the first place? Was that when we enslaved the brown people, or killed the red people and took their stuff?

OneBrightMonkey:proteus_b:and here i would have thought the racist, anti-chinese crap would have been coming from idiots like mccaindemo and the nativists in either party, but that it actually comes from some of the proponents of the 'change' candidate is a little peculiar.

While China does have human rights issues they need to resolve, in some matters they have made far more improvements than any other nation. In the last 30 years, they have transformed from a nation in which only a small percentage of the population had access to clean water, health care, and education, to a nation in which these essential aspects are nearly universal. They lack some political freedoms, but in contrast, democratic India has seen 7,000 political prisoners murdered in the last 7 years, and has much greater intra-society inequity that is in no danger of becoming a part of the past.

Just because Bush does it doesn't mean it's wrong, folks.

Naomi Klein just wrote an extensive piece on the overwhelming, Orwellian surveillance infrastructure that is in place in China.

China's all seeing eye (new window)

Essentially people are filmed all of the time and have zero privacy. A grand firewall prohibits internet access to any anti-China information.

Just because Bush does it doesn't mean it's wrong, folks


Show me an example of that asshole being on the decent and humanitarian side of any issue and I'll acquiesce with your argument.

He signed into law the formation of a protected wildlife reserve in 140,000 sq. mi. of ocean off the coast of Hawaii. It was an extraordinary and precedent setting move that will pay huge dividends in the future. And as far as I know, it is the sole and singular laudable accomplishment of his administration.

proteus_b: They lack some political freedoms

Freedom can't be plural, retard.

RevMercutio:Weaver95:well it's not like we've got a stellar record on human rights anymore. So there's that.

We had one in the first place? Was that when we enslaved the brown people, or killed the red people and took their stuff?

I spent part of friday at Gettysburg. Stood in the spot where a guy who suspended Habeus Corpus and then freed the slaves gave a short speech about just what sort of country we are and should strive always to remain.

Go stand there some day yourself. Then ask those questions. Maybe you'll find an answer.

Weaver95:well it's not like we've got a stellar record on human rights anymore. So there's that.

In fact despite our complaints abou the Tibetans, we've been helping the Chinese suppress the Uighurs. We are even holding (ethnic Uighur) Chinese dissidents in Guantanamo.

And in recent decades the Chinese haven't done anything close to the murderous brutality we display every day in Iraq.

jso2897:Show me an example of that asshole being on the decent and humanitarian side of any issue and I'll acquiesce with your argument.

He signed into law the formation of a protected wildlife reserve in 140,000 sq. mi. of ocean off the coast of Hawaii. It was an extraordinary and precedent setting move that will pay huge dividends in the future. And as far as I know, it is the sole and singular laudable accomplishment of his administration.

Correct me if I'm wronghere but isn't he also the one who wants to open up drilling in the ANWR? So trading a wildlife reserve for another?

Right. Pissing of every single ally the US has was a good idea. Invading a sovereign nation for a successive number of made-up reasons was a good idea. Groping a feel of the leader of another sovereign nation /and/ ally was an awesome idea! Etc ad nauseam.

But we shouldn't insult the Chinese.

DarnoKonrad:OneBrightMonkey:Show me an example of that asshole being on the decent and humanitarian side of any issue and I'll acquiesce with your argument.

I rather liked his immigration stance -- but he caved to the nativists like the fake cowboy he is.

I was watching the gathering of the "National Right to life Committee" on C-SPAN today and after 20 minutes of Obama-Bashing and pro-torture proselytizing by Fred Thompson (Another "Christian for Torture!") there was a videotaped presentation by George W. Bush himself to laud the efforts of this anti-abortion group.

I wondered why the individuals gathered at this conference were so comfortable saluting a man who is responsible for an unimaginable amount of carnage in Iraq.

An abortion is an abomination but a cluster bomb that accidently annihilates an innocent Iraqi family is "collateral damage inflicted in the cause of spreading freedom".

As far as immigration goes, how would Tancredo pay his bills if he couldn't blame every American shortcoming on Brown people?

How dare these people infiltrate our borders to do the most demeaning jobs for the lowest pay imaginable in order to make the lives of rich white people easier!

proteus_b:and here i would have thought the racist, anti-chinese crap would have been coming from idiots like mccaindemo and the nativists in either party, but that it actually comes from some of the proponents of the 'change' candidate is a little peculiar.

While China does have human rights issues they need to resolve, in some matters they have made far more improvements than any other nation. In the last 30 years, they have transformed from a nation in which only a small percentage of the population had access to clean water, health care, and education, to a nation in which these essential aspects are nearly universal. They lack some political freedoms, but in contrast, democratic India has seen 7,000 political prisoners murdered in the last 7 years, and has much greater intra-society inequity that is in no danger of becoming a part of the past.

Just because Bush does it doesn't mean it's wrong, folks.

Well, aren't you the little PRC shill. China has one of the world's worst records when it comes to respecting and protecting fundamental civil and political rights. The country remains a one-party repressive state. To be sure, there have been economic and health advances, but the wealth is being distributed unequally. What about the hundreds or street protests and demonstrations that take place on a daily basis in rural China? Of course, the Chinese media do not report on such blemishes. But, rest assured that there are millions of unhappy and pissed off Chinese demanding more rights and freedoms that their Communist overlords routinely deny to them.

Ignorant McNugget:IIRC, Beijing was competing against Toronto to host the games.

I couldn't care less about the Olympics but I'm glad they won because it's inconceivable to me that our municipal government would have been able to prepare properly. The public transit system would be choked, the police would be spread vanishingly thin, there'd be more than the usual amount of government graft, none of the economic benefits would have found their way to me or to anyone I care about, and the city would have ended up in debt for 30+ years like Montreal did. Thanks, China!


Actually the Federal Government was going to spend billions on massive transit infrastructure upgrades in Toronto got the games. There were signed pledges from every relevant labour union guaranteeing no job actions that would have any impact on the city's ability to host the Olympics. A complete redevelopment of the city's waterfront and the construction of the athlete's village that would've been turned into low-cost housing after the games. Based on the current value of Olympic TV deals and Local Organizing Committee sponsorships the only costs to taxpayers would've been the upgrades to the highways and expressways in and around the city. Since the city didn't get the Olympics none of this money for these redevelopments was forthcoming from the Feds. Instead Federal money is being spent in B.C. on the Sea-to-Sky Highway for the Vancouver Olympics.

The Olympics would've been great for Toronto. All that construction probably would've been able to help the province avoid the recession that now looks inevitable in Ontario.

Malacon:And we thought Clinton was bad...

OMG! Boosh is a pedo!

Malacon:And we thought Clinton was bad...

Clinton was bad.

affront
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Pronunciation:
\ə-ˈfrənt\
Function:
transitive verb
Etymology:
Middle English afronten, from Anglo-French afrunter to defy, from Vulgar Latin *affrontare, from Latin ad- + front-, frons forehead
Date:
14th century

1 a: to insult especially to the face by behavior or language b: to cause offense to

2 a: to face in defiance : confront bobsolete : to encounter face-to-face

3: to appear directly before

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I_Love_Cheesecake:well, aren't you the little PRC shill. China has one of the world's worst records when it comes to respecting and protecting fundamental civil and political rights. The country remains a one-party repressive state. To be sure, there have been economic and health advances, but the wealth is being distributed unequally. What about the hundreds or street protests and demonstrations that take place on a daily basis in rural China? Of course, the Chinese media do not report on such blemishes. But, rest assured that there are millions of unhappy and pissed off Chinese demanding more rights and freedoms that their Communist overlords routinely deny to them.

As much as it pains me to say it, the Chinese system of government actually seems to work for them. it's not perfect, and it's certainly not 'humane', but it functions better than what they had going for most of the 20th century. Brutal and oppressive as they can be at times, they DO keep a lid on the more ugly factions existing in that country. A sudden shift to a kinder, more permissive sort of government would only convince the nastier folks in China to go on a murderous rampage.

I'm not saying I'd like to live there, but simply assuming that democracy would fix all problems everywhere isn't realistic. there are forces in every region that would see a democratic form of government as weak and tear it apart first chance they got. Part of our problem is thinking that deep down everyone on the planet wants to be the United States and is just aching to be a repubublican or democrat. It's not only an illusion but it's arrogant.

At some point, you make a choice: safety and security or freedom and risk of anarchy? we got lucky - we managed to find a balance of the two....but we did so because our Founding Fathers were a bunch of cynical bastards who didn't trust human nature. They built a government based on the idea that the devil himself was a lawyer and politican and would eventually run for office. Our greatest mistake has been to forget that basic assumption about humanity, and it's gonna cost us.

Bah. another good post ruined by a type. should have been 'republican' dammit.

I need another cup of coffee.