I think the economy is half empty.

Their tanks aren't half empty, they're half full.
Damn, gonna cost $50 to top that sucker off.

I think the economy is half full

OF POISON!

/got nothing

Clinton was boring and you all know it. You hired monkeyboy to make things suck again. Isn't this more interesting? Wish granted, huzzah.

Hey! I ordered a cheeseburger!

The economy is fiiiiine. For me TO POOP ON!

Greatest economy ever!

The Republicans treated our country like a 80's corporate takeover artist (cut labor sell off assets for short term gains), and just like those raiders of old they run for the hills after they took it for every dime they could squeeze out of it.

The foulest people of all are those who are still doing well and who sneer at those who are suffering.

****looks around the thread****

Ra_:The foulest people of all are those who are still doing well and who sneer at those who are suffering.

I don't sneer, I chortle derisively.

I belong to the Pessimists Club. We should have meetings, but why bother.

Ra_, don't be too upset. We enjoy a standard of luxury to be able to inflict on ourselves a problem like the current administration. It's a level of decadence that's been rarely seen.

Joker you diabolical...:Clinton was boring and you all know it. You hired monkeyboy to make things suck again. Isn't this more interesting? Wish granted, huzzah.

No we didn't...

wrenchboy:

Maybe not the second time, but that's part of the package.

I belong to the ophthalmologist club and everything looks great to me.

I belong to the Procrastinator's Club. Well I would if I got around to picking up the membership form.

Joker you diabolical...
Clinton was boring and you all know it. You hired monkeyboy to make things suck again. Isn't this more interesting? Wish granted, huzzah.

Clinton was a moderate Republican in policy (NAFTA, Welfare Reform, Balanced Budget) but scared the hell out of the Wall Street Republicans because he presided over a stellar economy that was not based first and foremost on tax cuts to the wealthy. And that's why the far right hated/hates Clinton above all others and was hell bent to destroy him.

Clinton proved the Republican central economic theory was a load of crap. Now we get to see 8 years of an economy based on tax cuts at the highest level, cheap labor and industry regulating itself. All that quick capital was spent on foreign markets who now compete with us for oil driving the price up farther and fuels inflation casing the rest of that capital to be sheltered in commodities like oil and gold driving the price up even more.

Meanwhile the national debt (A tax increase on the grandkids) is out of fark control and the Republicans added to the oncoming train wreck that is medicare with Part D. Someone in the Republican party needs to stand up to these lunatics and take the party back to a small government, balanced budget states rights party that its base still is deluded enough to think they are.

The view from here in the gynecologist club seems good to me. A few hairy situations, but not too bad.

There's more at play than the economy providing the pessimism.

Here at the club for Senior Factors Facilitators we've no friggin' idea what's going on.

There's an Optimist's Club?

...

uh...


NNNNEEEEEERRRRRRDDDDSSSS

My work is almost done here, time to head to Crawford and clear some brush.




WWSD?

People who hate people.....come together!

/Damn, we almost had a meeting going.

I belong to the Cynics Club, but I'm the only member because every one else is too stupid to join.

eqtworld:I think the economy is half full.

i think the economy is twice as big as needed

The Proctologists Club has launched a probe into allegations that some a**hole with a shiatty outlook has been taking pokes at them making cracks about them. Investigators will bend over backwards to finger him as soon as possible and rectify the situation, no ifs, ands or butts. Inquiries should be directed to Mr A. Colon's office in the rear.

You can't really attribute the economy to Bush or Clinton, just to Greenspan.

I benefit from the war on terror. Since I get paid the same regardless of the economy, a bad economy is actually like a pay raise for me.

Does that make me a bad person for liking depressed economies? Well, yeah, I'm a bad person.

And they call themselves optimists?

YixilTesiphon:You can't really attribute the economy to Bush or Clinton, just to Greenspan.

Who appointed Greenspan? Who kept him there? While it's true that the President has no direct Constitutional authority over the economy, it's pretty clear at this point that the actions of the President can have major economic implications.

trickle down economics = p1ssing on my back and telling me it's raining. Let's face it, bushco was VERY successful in achieving its primary objective- to make the rich richer. Screw the rest of us.

YixilTesiphon:You can't really attribute the economy to Bush or Clinton, just to Greenspan.

All Greenspan did was adjust interest rates.
He didn't squander trillions of dollars and print trillions more, backed by nothing.

What if the glass is half-full of shiat? Then an optimist would say it's half-empty. What about baby blood? If it's blood going to a baby, that would be a good thing and the optimist would say it's half-full, but if it's blood coming from a baby, the optimist would probably say it's half-empty.

/Demetrius Martin FTW

Question: Do you think it's morally acceptable to vote for party you think will most likely be so overbearing as to cause a massive paradign shift in the collective political, governmental and socio-economical ideology?

My thougts are that I can't ever see the USA "improving" in any substantial means by voting positive. Seems like their will always be a stalemate in any 4, 8, or 12 year span. But if I vote negative, it seems we might be able to get to a changing point a lot quicker, although not without some suffering.

So these guys think their lives will be spared if they just walk away?

/not obscure

"The foulest people of all are those who are still doing well and who sneer at those who are suffering."

First, you need to establish what precisely is "suffering" and why they "suffer."

I say this because the people you described above are only the second foulest. The FIRST foulest are all those who "suffer" the result of their own fears, laziness or life-derailing stupid choices - rather than from any genuine inability or hardship - and yet insist on enviously despising those who choose to work to attain some degree of success and comfort.

On second thought, the people you describe are the THIRD foulest, and my first place folks are really second.

The FOULEST OF ALL are those who would perpetuate the sufferer's sad but unnecessary status in order to perpetuate their own power, all at the sufferer's expense.

The sun is shining. It's summer. Go for a walk, why don't you?

suck it libs?

/I love it that poor, red state, social conservtives are being hurt in the economy as much as anyone and are too stupid or prideful to blame their president
//puts head in both hands and shakes it slowly

cryinoutloud:The sun is shining. It's summer. Go for a walk, why don't you?

hemishperic centric much?

Giant Clown Shoe:suck it libs?

/I love it that poor, red state, social conservtives are being hurt in the economy as much as anyone and are too stupid or prideful to blame their president
//puts head in both hands and shakes it slowly

oops. forgot this...



/coffee still brewing

Every day, in every way, I am getting better and better.

A very good point to keep repeating: It isn't the president that writes or passes legislation or raises taxes, it is Congress! And that has been a Democratically run Congress for the last two years:

This email comes in three parts:

Part 1

In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemplo yment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual
fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama


Part 2:

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics
enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Taxes under Clinton 1999 &n bsp; Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 & nbsp; Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories
above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

Part 3:

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?

Read this:
Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification
of all the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born c hildren of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium ..cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, c rossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

I got this email the other day, it was interesting....don't buy it 100% though.

hagar129: Don't forget that only Congress can declare war. As if there was any doubt. And it's natural for people to put Bush's face on their problems. That's what the powers that be intended.


/Clinton, surplus, etc
//taking that walk now

Yesterday, the checkout lady at Lowe's was dissing Canada: "Canada is a horrible place! I went there on vacation and it's sooooo expensive! Canada used to be nice. I don't know what happened!"

Joker you diabolical...:hagar129: Don't forget that only Congress can declare war.

Unless they wuss out and abdicate that responsibility, like they did in the fall of 2002.

/spineless bastiges

hagar129 Quote 2008-07-06 11:34:41 AM
A very good point to keep repeating: It isn't the president that writes or passes legislation or raises taxes, it is Congress! And that has been a Democratically run Congress for the last two years:

Yet the Democrats do not have the numbers to override a presidential veto making your entire post moot.

You have to be a real optimist to leave a 1000 word post and think that people are gonna read it.
__________________

Guitar posts from music forum:

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Your optimism that an arrangement of such specificity will be encountered is impressive.

OPTIMISTSREALITY Club

/fixed it