Would you really want a British doctor's liver?

But i'm still using it.

The Department of Health said: 'The transplantation of donated livers into non-UK EU residents who qualify for NHS treatment is lawful. This is guided by European law which effectively regards such patients as having equal access to the NHS.

It's legal. So the rest of the article is just to fan the flames.

'Decisions over accepting a patient on to the transplant waiting list and allocating an available liver rest with the individual transplant centre. They must always give priority to those waiting on the national list of super-urgent patients.

Is there any evidence that they haven't? They gave a liver to George Best; could there be anyone more "super-urgent" than that?

I didn't realize Dr Lecter was a NHS employee.

"There must be 50 ways to lose your liver."

Ah yes, it's just wonderful how well socialized medicine works out.

Wanted for questioning...


...strangely "unavailable"...

He says the Greek shall inherit the earth.

The Greek? Did he say which one?

/cross-pythoning

Prometheus surrenders

wildcardjack:Ah yes, it's just wonderful how well socialized medicine works out.

Actor Larry Hagman has received at least 2 liver transplants. He damaged his liver through his heavy alcohol consumption. You can't blame socialized medicine since this happens in the U.S. too.

Last One Left:The Department of Health said: 'The transplantation of donated livers into non-UK EU residents who qualify for NHS treatment is lawful. This is guided by European law which effectively regards such patients as having equal access to the NHS.

It's legal. So the rest of the article is just to fan the flames.

'Decisions over accepting a patient on to the transplant waiting list and allocating an available liver rest with the individual transplant centre. They must always give priority to those waiting on the national list of super-urgent patients.

Is there any evidence that they haven't? They gave a liver to George Best; could there be anyone more "super-urgent" than that?

FTA...Prof Heaton was criticised six years ago when he gave George Best a transplant, even though the footballer ignored warnings that his continued drinking was destroying his health. Best died from multiple organ failure three years after the operation.

Organlegging will be BIG business in the next few decades. I'm killing my liver right now so nobody will want it.

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Just finished Season 2 tonight. It was awesome.

/Saw every other season, but 2
//damned local video shops

Bathia_Mapes

That George Best part was meant to be sarcastic.

ZOMBIE GEORGE BEST WANTS YOUR LIVVVERRRRRR.

don't livers regenerate?

Why can't they match up compatible donors with people who need livers and cut out half of their liver and put it in the person and let them both heal up. Pay the donor, and everyone leaves happy.

Last One Left:Bathia_Mapes

That George Best part was meant to be sarcastic.

Oh, sorry...my sarcasm meter is out of kilter.

Jegred2:don't livers regenerate?

Why can't they match up compatible donors with people who need livers and cut out half of their liver and put it in the person and let them both heal up. Pay the donor, and everyone leaves happy.

Because money is dirty and unethical. It's far more civilized to let people die.

wildcardjack:Ah yes, it's just wonderful how well socialized medicine works out.

It is! Meanwhile, the problem here is free markets interfering with medicine. Greeks are buying livers because they will pay more money. when you run medicine as a business, there is always somebody willing to pay more money than you can to get ahead of you in line. that is why it does not ever work. The lines are all infinite. As long as someone with more money than you is sick, you are never at the head of the line, just like those 400 NHS patients.

HaNaGaijin:Wanted for questioning...

That's what I came here to see.
Good night, everybody!

DreamlessThat's what I came here to see.
Good night, everybody!

Well sweet drea.... er ah... g'night.

And the proverbial 'big ups' to all "Wire" fans, especially Season Two!!! (One of the best, if you can pick a best!)

Hopefully we will get television like it again!

Jegred2:don't livers regenerate?

Well there's one British Doctor Who thinks so...



/Sorry...

Arthur the Sandwich Maker:Jegred2:don't livers regenerate?

Well there's one British Doctor Who thinks so...

/Sorry...

Imagine the industry that could be created... Carve out organs during a regeneration period and have them re-grow almost instantly until the time limit is up. Just don't have the organ recipient around during a regeneration, or...

/I'm so, so sorry...

wildcardjack 2008-07-06 03:37:52 AM
Ah yes, it's just wonderful how well socialized medicine works out.

Very true. This private medicine thing in the article is really farked up though.

Grotesk:Carve out organs during a regeneration period and have them re-grow almost instantly until the time limit is up.




No. Don't do that. Just...don't.

wildcardjack:Ah yes, it's just wonderful how well socialized medicine works out.

Enjoy your shorter life expectancy.

Capitalism finds a way.

i think we need a doctor, and i know just the one...

wildcardjack:Ah yes, it's just wonderful how well socialized medicine works out.

you must be a complete moron. the socialism was/is working fine, this guy cheated the system for his own gain and he will go to jail.

on the other hand, the capitolism was the problem, allowing less deserving patients to cut in line becuase they had money.

hyperspacemonkey: the problem here is free markets interfering with medicine. Greeks are buying livers because they will pay more money. when you run medicine as a business, there is always somebody willing to pay more money than you can to get ahead of you in line. that is why it does not ever work. The lines are all infinite. As long as someone with more money than you is sick, you are never at the head of the line, just like those 400 NHS patients.



Well, there has to be some incentive to get rich. What is the point? Not saying they are more worthy, they just have money. Doctors need money too.

some_beer_drinker:i think we need a doctor, and i know just the one...

Doctor Liveringston, I presume?

There once was a surgeon named Gelf
Who gave a girl's heart to an Elf
the liver and spleen
to a Greek Marine
But the good stuff he kept for himself.


/I have always so much wanted to post that
//Original is British Marine, but in this case it was the Greeks

Phil Herup:Well, there has to be some incentive to get rich. What is the point? Not saying they are more worthy, they just have money. Doctors need money too.

What a sickening, dehumanising way to think. It must be awful. I really am so sorry.

/Not a reference.
//I really am.

FTFA: "The hospital has struck a deal with the Greek and Cypriot governments to treat the patients privately."

So it would seem that where socialists and capitalists mix, capitalists win.

/Well, at least rich capitalists

But I need those livers for my ouzo!

For that price, he'd better throw in the fried onions for free.

Phil Herup:Well, there has to be some incentive to get rich. What is the point? Not saying they are more worthy, they just have money. Doctors need money too.

Surgeons here in the US earn 150,000 to 300,000 in general. The NHS pays its surgeons £150,000 to 200,000. That's 297,000 to 396,000 dollars. This doctor is a greedy SOB, and that's all there is to it.

This transplant problem illustrates what has always been true about health care. The best goes to the highest bidder. And this is exactly the way it should be. Without a substantial economic incentive no one will work to advance medical knowledge and skill.