What's with the "Mr. Obama" thing?

Obama shift = "normal".
Any other candidate shift = "flip-flop".

Bias? What bias?

bulldg4life:What's with the "Mr. Obama" thing?

They're still pissed that Senator Clinton wasn't successful.

bulldg4life:What's with the "Mr. Obama" thing?

I'm pretty sure they refer to everybody that way. At least that is what I noticed in other articles I've read from there.

The Obama is never wrong.

New centrist Obama needs to announce a game-changing, once in a generation speech and throw that meddlesome, netroot, primary Obama under the bus.

Barack could have been the 21st hijacker and the dems would still vote for him.

bigpeeler:Obama shift = "normal".
Any other candidate shift = "flip-flop".

I never understood the "flip-flop" stuff. Do people really want leaders to stubbornly cling to a position despite new information? I have a lot more regard for politicians that are willing to say that their position changed because they have new or more clear information and I don't have a lot of regard for politicians that continually bang their heads against a brick wall because their previous information said there was a door there.

SouthernManDunWrong:Barack could have been the 21st hijacker and the dems would still vote for him.

As a Democrat, I would never vote for him. As you implied -- he is a Muslim. How can we have a Muslim as President? Plus his skin is dark.

SouthernManDunWrong:Barack could have been the 21st hijacker and the dems would still vote for him.

Well, Bush is and the republicans still voted for him...

spqr_ca:
I never understood the "flip-flop" stuff. Do people really want leaders to stubbornly cling to a position despite new information? I have a lot more regard for politicians that are willing to say that their position changed because they have new or more clear information and I don't have a lot of regard for politicians that continually bang their heads against a brick wall because their previous information said there was a door there.

For an extreme case, look at Mitt Romney and how his positions on major issues changed from when he was running for governor of MA and for president. He didn't just readjust his positions based on "new information," he changed his entire belief structure.

ExJerseyGirl:SouthernManDunWrong:Barack could have been the 21st hijacker and the dems would still vote for him.

As a Democrat, I would never vote for him. As you implied -- he is a Muslim. How can we have a Muslim as President? Plus his skin is dark.

Thanks for loudly shouting your willful ignorance. It helps me keep track of cretins like yourself.

spqr_ca:bigpeeler:Obama shift = "normal".
Any other candidate shift = "flip-flop".

Do people really want leaders to stubbornly cling to a position despite new information?

I believe there was a vote on this issue a few years ago. Turns out that 62,040,610 people do want that.

lomnoir:
Thanks for loudly shouting your willful ignorance. It helps me keep track of cretins like yourself.

Please adjust the levels on your sarcasm meter.

I wasn't trying to troll.

lomnoir:Thanks for loudly shouting your willful ignorance. It helps me keep track of cretins like yourself.

Speaking of ignorance, she was clearly kidding.

I admit I'm annoyed by some of Obama's recent moves. On the one hand his schtick is this post-partisan message, so a move to the center is kind of in tune with his message. But on the other, a move to the center is basically what has screwed the Democrats in the last two elections.

They NYT is attacking him?

Well then the GOP now has to love him. It's simple binary logic.

Just watch, there's going to be a whole slew of trolls popping up called ObamaRepublican and NascarBarackFan making the politics tab an even more unpleasant place.

Off topic: I love the new political slant (Commie:Neutral:Fascist) tag feature when you submit articles. Anyone know what the admins are going to DO with this new data point?

Tastes Like Chicken:On the one hand his schtick is this post-partisan message, so a move to the center is kind of in tune with his message. But on the other, a move to the center is basically what has screwed the Democrats in the last two elections.

Yup.

/trying to quit THIS

I think I am going to keep away from politics threads until after both conventions are over. This period of time bores me.

bigpeeler:Obama shift = "normal".
Any other candidate shift = "flip-flop".

If it was a shift or flip-flop then there would be a legitimate beef... but the fact remains that all of these oaths and promises are nothing but creations of people with an axe to grind (PUMA's, Republicans, etc.) or lefties who don't understand what listening is.

SouthernManDunWrong:Barack could have been the 21st hijacker and the dems would still vote for him.

sure you want to ride your high horse on such thin ice, Cletus ?

I have been disappointed in some of the positions that Obama has taken in the last few weeks. If he isn't careful, he'll quickly go from being the first presidential candidate I have had the pleasure of truly voting for to yet another instance of choosing the lesser evil. I liked him better when he took principled stands on issues rather than simply taking positions which are politically convenient. Maybe he'll return to that approach before the general election. I guess we'll find out.

mcwebe0:I have been disappointed in some of the positions that Obama has taken in the last few weeks. If he isn't careful, he'll quickly go from being the first presidential candidate I have had the pleasure of truly voting for to yet another instance of choosing the lesser evil. I liked him better when he took principled stands on issues rather than simply taking positions which are politically convenient. Maybe he'll return to that approach before the general election. I guess we'll find out.

A commenter from another site (h/t bamage) provided this:

Ya still gotta vote for me! I'm SLOTEO*!!

*Senator Lesser of Two Evils Obama

A politician telling people what they want to hear in order to get elected? Unpossible!

Anyone who believes Obama represents political change is a moron. He's just the same old shiat in a "new and improved package". I still can't believe he was good friends with and attended the services of a racist demagogue for 20 years yet he convieniently was never there to hear anything bigoted being spoken. Funny how the Democrats can forgive or ignore that, but if McCain did the same thing with the likes of David Duke, no one would hear the end of it. And before you make an idiot of yourself saying how Wrights comments were taken out of context, no they weren't. He has a history of being a bigot.

PacManDreaming:A politician telling people what they want to hear in order to get elected? Unpossible!

Anyone who believes Obama represents political change is a moron. He's just the same old shiat in a "new and improved package". I still can't believe he was good friends with and attended the services of a racist demagogue for 20 years yet he convieniently was never there to hear anything bigoted being spoken. Funny how the Democrats can forgive or ignore that, but if McCain did the same thing with the likes of David Duke, no one would hear the end of it. And before you make an idiot of yourself saying how Wrights comments were taken out of context, no they weren't. He has a history of being a bigot.

lol. see... obama is in hot water right now with his supporters, big time. there is no reason to fall back on failed arguments over non-issues.

and yet, given the opportunity to actually rail against obama for something nearly 19,000 of his supporters would actually agree with you on, your first instinct is to bring up rev. wright.

and the anti-obama crowd still wonders why no one takes them seriously.

Love Boat:i25.tinypic.com

Where's your usual Fox and Corkum?

The guy wrote a book. You'd think the NY Times could bother pirating the audio from the internet.

Obama has been remarkably consistant -- even going so far in the said book to say that many people will be disappointed by his stands.

However, if you can read between the lines, these people are called New-Leftists. .and they've been the backbone of modern liberalism since 1968.

Furthermore, they've screwed up the party and derailed Progressivism for nearly 50 years.

I'll be glad if Obama side lines them.

When people bad mouth liberals, what they usually mean is New-Leftists.

It had its place, but in truth, it's just the flip side of the Southern Strategy. . . where we have two Identity Parties. . .

The White male Christian Party, and the Not White Male Christian Party.

HOPE is realigning the parties to get rid of this shiat -- not to placate NY Times new leftists.

Sorry, Pancakes is still king.

As are many of us. Even if it is "normal." No reason to be shocked by that, submitter.

Funny how naive some people can sound when they think they're being smart...

burndtdan:lol. see... obama is in hot water right now with his supporters, big time.

No, not really.

JUST HAVE THE ELECTION ALREADY.

bigpeeler:Obama shift = "normal".
Any other candidate shift = "flip-flop".

Bias? What bias?

To be fair, if the entire selling point for your campaign is that you're a new kind of politician who'll change the way washington works, being called 'normal' is going to hurt your argument more than being called a 'flip-flopper'.

But yeah, I never really bought the guy's BS. He's 'best of a bad lot' vote, as usual. Reminds me uncomfortably of (Bill) Clinton, but then McCain reminds me uncomfortably of Bush (2nd), so you can guess who wins that one.

//Life will go on more or less unaltered by our choice in november, and honestly probably so will politics.
//Obama's been revealing enough of himself that McCain still has a chance to convince me. I know the old guy won't be a disaster, he at least throws his weight against his own party occasionally when an idea is monumentally stupid, so he'll use the veto properly. Still looking for the places Obama diverges from his party and how he acts in those situations before really establishing a strong opinion on the guy, though.

burndtdan:lol. see... obama is in hot water right now with his supporters, big time. there is no reason to fall back on failed arguments over non-issues.

Non-issues? How is being party to a bigot a non-issue? White politicians get in major trouble for it. Just because he's black doesn't mean he should get a free ride on the Double Standard Train.

Personally, I think Obama is a really nice, well spoken guy. But that doesn't always translate into good leadership capabilities. His moving away from his usual ultra-leftist stance and going towards the middle might entice me to think more about voting for him. Problem is, there are only to Democrats I'd ever vote for; Jim Wright and Richard Gephardt. And since neither of them is running for President, it looks like I'll have to continue giving my vote to the Libertarian candidates.

I'm predicting the two political factions will start throwing poo at each other in three weeks.

PacManDreaming:Problem is, there are only to two Democrats I'd ever vote for

FTFM.

I was hot on the old Obama but now I'm not voting, for him or our CO senate candidate who voted for the FISA compromise bill. (Udall)

bulldg4life:What's with the "Mr. Obama" thing?

It's New York Times, rather than the usual AP, style.

when the NY Times notices it, maybe...just maybe...some of the fark cult will admit it as well.

/he's still the lesser of two-evils, so I'll vote for him. Probably.

PacManDreaming:Non-issues? How is being party to a bigot a non-issue? White politicians get in major trouble for it. Just because he's black doesn't mean he should get a free ride on the Double Standard Train.

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The more you say it, the truer it is.

Tastes Like Chicken:But on the other, a move to the center is basically what has screwed the Democrats in the last two elections.

I don't think so. In the 2006 elections, a lot of the people who won were non-traditional democrats. Family values, gun rights, ect. I honestly think what screwed the democrats was the short-sighted view of the people running the politics - the people who wouldn't spend money in red states. Obama is not doing that. And that's why I think Obama has a much, much better chance. This move to the right was expected and should pay dividends in the long run.

jgbrowning:burndtdan:lol. see... obama is in hot water right now with his supporters, big time.

No, not really.

yes, really

Group:
Senator Obama - Please Vote NO on Telecom Immunity - Get FISA Right
Members: 18,900

Once again, what's with this whole "messiah" thing???

The only ones I hear talking about "the messiah" are religeous nutjobs (GOPbots all the way), Rush Limbaugh and his army of clowns and IDIOTS like subby.

Again: STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Just because someone is an Obama supporter does NOT mean that they (or "Mr. Obama") have any sort of messianic complex.

CHRIST!!


Careful what you wish for!

TripSixes:I was hot on the old Obama but now I'm not voting, for him or our CO senate candidate who voted for the FISA compromise bill. (Udall)

FISA is an end run around the 4th Amendment. If FISA noise makers win, we just go back to secret courts that issue retroactive warrants.

Grover Norquist is jizzing all over himself while the left brow beats each other over who loves secret retroactive courts more.

Bush just decided that a secret paper trail and no paper train are the same thing.

Sadly he's correct.

Advocate the 4th Amendment, not FISA BS.

Obama is right to compromise. But elements of his own party are farking shiat up.

His energy policy sucks, and I am NOT happy about how he voted "Yes" to the FISA bill, but considering that John McCain voted the same way for the bill its a wash.

God damn some of you people are stupid.

I've heard better political comments at the VFW where the N word was used every other word.

You guys are like creationists. You look for the smallest thing that doesn't fit and ignore everything else as a way to prove he's a 'flip floper". "He said he would listen to the generals! OMG! He changed his stance!!!"

Just sad. I can't imagine going through life repeating everything said by your favorite radio personality.

Spanky_McFarksalot:when the NY Times notices it, maybe...just maybe...some of the fark cult will admit it as well.


The pro-Iraq-War, pro-Hillary-Clinton NY Times? Right or wrong, the "fark cult" doesn't exactly hang on the grey lady's word.

bigpeeler:Obama shift = "normal".
Any other candidate shift = "flip-flop".

Bias? What bias?

flipflop is a Rovian thing. Are you saying rove thinks Obama is OK?

Or are you doing the Rovian thing and accussing others of committing one'S own crimes?

SouthernManDunWrong:Barack could have been the 21st hijacker and the dems would still vote for him.

My mother says the Dems could run her dog and still beat the Republicans.

zero.db:Once again, what's with this whole "messiah" thing???

The only ones I hear talking about "the messiah" are religeous nutjobs (GOPbots all the way), Rush Limbaugh and his army of clowns and IDIOTS like subby.

Again: STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Just because someone is an Obama supporter does NOT mean that they (or "Mr. Obama") have any sort of messianic complex.

CHRIST!!


Careful what you wish for!

Neo-Cons are elite, socialist, academics, that deified Reagan. It's only natural to project the least noble of your traits onto your enemies.