OMG!11!!

They must be Fark Independents™. And obviously racist for not supporting Obama.

You mean there are people out there who are neither brown-shirts nor hippies?

They are all voting for Bar Barr, or Ru Paul.

Much of the other 85% votes blindly by party whether they're likely to screw up the country or not.

MindStalker:They are all voting for Bar Barr, or Ru Paul.

Ralph Nader demands a recount.

Count me in with this "mushy middle".

/Write in ballot for "fark YOU!"

oldfarthenry:You mean there are people out there who are neither brown-shirts nor hippies?

Apparently about 15% of the US population.

Courting the nihilist vote?

I suppose I would fall in that 15%.

I'm still voting conservative, though.

Yeah, I'm actually getting phone calls from both campaigns at this point. I explain that I think both candidates are douchebags, and I wouldn't vote for either one with a gun to my head. The Obama supporter chewed me out until I hung up on her, and the McCain supporter hung up on me.

I guess that Bob Barr is getting at least one vote this year.

Ya know... If we all vote for McCain, we might all live long enough to see the end of the world. That could be fun!

They can't win me over, I'm a registered George Carlin Party member (and national chairman).

Which means on election day, I stay home. I don't vote. F*ck 'em.


/Garbage in
//Garbage out

No, no, no...these people aren't really in the middle. These are the people who vote because they have this vague notion that they should, but they can't be bothered to inform themselves enough to hold an actual political opinion, let alone a cohesive viewpoint. These are the people who, a week before the election, are still undecided and waiting for "more information" as if they have no responsibility at all to seek that information out, as if every chunk of relevant and irrelevant information hasn't been readily available for more then a year. These are the people who so uninformed that they often register for the American Independent party by accident instead of decline to state or non-partisan...that's your "mushy middle".

oldfarthenry:You mean there are people out there who are neither brown-shirts nor hippies?

Maybe some people are both, although a tye-dye brownshirt would look really crappy.

No, I will not GIS "mushy middle"

/too skeerd

The traditional philosophy is 40% will always vote Democrat, 40% will always vote Republican, and the 20% in the middle is who you are targeting.

In this environment, where our elections are hyper politicized because of the war, I can see 15% instead of 20% in the middle.

I'M a Democrat who will find it very hard to vote for McCain. Right now, I'd like nothing better than to just sit out the vote. But life is seldom that easy...and certainly not that easy at this point in history. My doubts regarding Obama's qualifications and character are SO extreme, that it has become my obligation to ensure that he doesn't land in the WH. If that means I have to help support the person most capable of beating him in Novemeber...I'm just gonna have to suck it up and vote McCain.

But I am NOT happy about that.

I have a mushy middle, so I need to get to the gym.

Many are feeling the economic pinch. They want troops to return from Iraq as soon as possible. Like the broad electorate, they rank gas prices and the economy as their top concerns, followed by health care, Social Security, taxes and education.

Boy are they in for some disappointments. The troops aren't coming home from Iraq and gas prices aren't going to go down. Odd that this fuzzily-defined group of people would on the one hand see things so clearly while on the other being completely, utterly clueless about reality.

Muffin tops?

Crunch61:

No, I will not GIS "mushy middle"

There's a picture of a couple of turtles double-teaming a third.

satanorsanta:My doubts regarding Obama's qualifications and character are SO extreme, that it has become my obligation to ensure that he doesn't land in the WH. If that means I have to help support the person most capable of beating him in Novemeber...I'm just gonna have to suck it up and vote McCain.

I can see how a person would have doubts about Obama, but have you paying attention the last 7 years? Have you not seen what the Republican Party has done to this country? I don't see how any reasonable person could find McCain to be the lesser of evils in this election.

I'm wondering if Nader will have any effect this time around.

we_hates:"Have you not seen what the Republican Party has done to this country?"

What has the Republican Party done to this country that it wasn't already doing to itself, and what exactly did the Democratic Party oppose during the last seven years?

I'm writing in DANLPOON because I'm just as qualified as either of these clowns to run the country. In fact, I may be MORE qualified to run this country because I'm not a pawn of big oil or mega-corn.

Here are the first things I'd do-

-Single subject rule for all Bills. No more riders.

-Term limits

-Close about half the Executive Department agencies, Boards and Corporations. Most of which you've never even heard of.

-End the practice of requiring states to adhere to conflicting federal regulations as a precondition to revenue disbursement.

-End the federal subsidy to K-12.

-Increase the federal subsidy to research universities.

-Simplify the federal bureaucracy by dissolving the Dept of Homeland Security

-Pass a bill that divests the federal gov't of it's field pre-emption in areas like medical marijuana and gay marriage.

-Sexbot Research. This one should probably be listed first.

satanorsanta:I'M a Democrat who will find it very hard to vote for McCain. Right now, I'd like nothing better than to just sit out the vote. But life is seldom that easy...and certainly not that easy at this point in history. My doubts regarding Obama's qualifications and character are SO extreme, that it has become my obligation to ensure that he doesn't land in the WH. If that means I have to help support the person most capable of beating him in Novemeber...I'm just gonna have to suck it up and vote McCain.

But I am NOT happy about that.

Why not educate yourself about the third party candidates that are running, and try to find one you would rather support. What is farking all of us is this belief that we have to vote for "the lesser of two evils". Maybe if more Americans did that, rather than holding their nose while voting for whichever of the two shaitbag major parties makes them less sick, we would start to see some change.

But no, people vote for whoever spends the most money and makes the shiniest commercials, and we wind up with either a moderate left wing dolt who will suck off Big Labor while farking the rest of us, or a moderate right wing dolt who will suck off Big Business while farking the rest of us.

If any of you out there really think that McCain and Obama are more than about an inch apart really, you are headed for some serious disappointment.

Perhaps it's just me, but could this be the begging of the propoganda push to minimize the middle of the road voters?

Convince enough of them they can't stand alone and they jump onto the 'lesser of two evils' bandwagon.

I'd rather throw my vote away than support these two criminal organizations.

danlpoon '08!

danlpoon '08!

A SexBot in every pot.

danlpoon:I'm writing in DANLPOON because I'm just as qualified as either of these clowns to run the country. In fact, I may be MORE qualified to run this country because I'm not a pawn of big oil or mega-corn.

Here are the first things I'd do-

-Single subject rule for all Bills. No more riders.

-Term limits

-Close about half the Executive Department agencies, Boards and Corporations. Most of which you've never even heard of.

-End the practice of requiring states to adhere to conflicting federal regulations as a precondition to revenue disbursement.

-End the federal subsidy to K-12.

-Increase the federal subsidy to research universities.

-Simplify the federal bureaucracy by dissolving the Dept of Homeland Security

-Pass a bill that divests the federal gov't of it's field pre-emption in areas like medical marijuana and gay marriage.

-Sexbot Research. This one should probably be listed first.

Sounds good to me, I'll work for your campaign

15% of the VOTERS maybe, but more like half the population.


Oh well. We'll end up with another two or three fat Tonys on the Supreme Court and before long your local sheriff's office will be required to have a deputy posted in your bedroom to make sure couples only engage in intercourse in the missionary position.

canyoneer:What has the Republican Party done to this country that it wasn't already doing to itself, and what exactly did the Democratic Party oppose during the last seven years?

This is by far the most secretive executive in the modern history of the country, who ignored science advisers and chose the ex-CEO of an oil company as his veep, who dragged our great country's name so far through the mud that a lot of people hope that Obama will get elected simply to show the world that this country isn't chock full of backward notions, hypocrisy and hate.

Have you been paying any attention at all?

sonnyjrob:Perhaps it's just me, but could this be the begging of the propoganda push to minimize the middle of the road voters?

That's just what i was thinking too. These "mushy middle" or "negative nancy" people just don't like any of the candidates, and now they're being called names which hide that fact.

canyoneer:What has the Republican Party done to this country that it wasn't already doing to itself, and what exactly did the Democratic Party oppose during the last seven years?

The Democrats haven't done a Goddamned thing to make things better. As for what the Republicans have done, too much to list, but: the several-trillion dollar fiasco in Iraq that has also cost 4,000 American lives, and killed uncounted Iraqis; failing to finish in Afghanistan; failure to capture bin Laden. There failure to plan for post-war Iraq was staggeringly incompetent - I would love to see someby try to defend that. Torture in Gitmo as well as rendition to other countries to be tortured. Farking up every step of bringing detainees to trial. Ignoring and even violating duly enacted laws through signing statements and executvie orders. I could go on, but anybody who doesn't already know about these things is willfully ignorant anyway.

What about the informed, educated, people who are pissed off cause those labels don't mean shiat any more? People who read between the lines of the bullshiat news and know enough political theory and practice that it makes them want to vomit?

These are people who have given up on Libertarianism and Socialism, and recognize the middle is inefficient and painful, the people who begin to question democracy itself because of the crap it has created?

Not nihilists, but perfectionists who care about honour and decency and reputation, economical living and liberty, caring for others and protecting what is ours.

/not enough of those I guess.

satanorsanta:I'M a Democrat who will find it very hard to vote for McCain. Right now, I'd like nothing better than to just sit out the vote. But life is seldom that easy...and certainly not that easy at this point in history. My doubts regarding Obama's qualifications and character are SO extreme, that it has become my obligation to ensure that he doesn't land in the WH. If that means I have to help support the person most capable of beating him in Novemeber...I'm just gonna have to suck it up and vote McCain.

But I am NOT happy about that.

Stealing quotes from Hillary is 44.org (new window), eh?

No, no, I'm sure it's very sincere and not in anyway copied and pasted in an attempt to either troll or add to the "operation chaos" motif.

Mordien:canyoneer:What has the Republican Party done to this country that it wasn't already doing to itself, and what exactly did the Democratic Party oppose during the last seven years?

This is by far the most secretive executive in the modern history of the country, who ignored science advisers and chose the ex-CEO of an oil company as his veep, who dragged our great country's name so far through the mud that a lot of people hope that Obama will get elected simply to show the world that this country isn't chock full of backward notions, hypocrisy and hate.

Have you been paying any attention at all?

And how is some farking idiot junior senator who came up from one of the most corrupt political machines in the country going to make everything better?

canyoneer:we_hates:"Have you not seen what the Republican Party has done to this country?"

What has the Republican Party done to this country that it wasn't already doing to itself, and what exactly did the Democratic Party oppose during the last seven years?

Well, I don't think we had warrant-less wiretapping before, at least not to any level like it is now, and I don't think we had any wars going on in the Middle East, and I'm fairly sure our budget deficit was going down until the Republicans came into power.

And the Democrats can't do much. They can't stop cloture votes, so many of the things they want aren't brought to a vote and they can't stop the votes with things they don't like. They don't have the media base that the Republicans to do lie to the electorate, so they can't get their side of things out as effectively.

So, yeah, it's not a good situation. The republicans, despite being out of power, have enough swing to stop anything the democrats want to do, and then they use their media groups to scream "The democrats do nothing, so don't vote for them!"

And to ape Louis Black a bit, No ideas are not worse to me then BAD ideas.

danlpoon

-Single subject rule for all Bills. No more riders.

Good luck telling Congress how to write its bills.

-Term limits

Requires a constitutional amendment.

-Close about half the Executive Department agencies, Boards and Corporations. Most of which you've never even heard of.

Good luck. Give Al Gore a call and ask how well this worked out for him.

-End the practice of requiring states to adhere to conflicting federal regulations as a precondition to revenue disbursement.

Again, good luck convincing Congress to give up it's only way of coercing the states.

-End the federal subsidy to K-12.

I would support this, but at the same time, Congress will kick your ass for trying it.

-Increase the federal subsidy to research universities.

Expect a barrage of claims that you're pro-earmarks.

-Simplify the federal bureaucracy by dissolving the Dept of Homeland Security

And replace it with what? 27 separate agencies that don't talk to each other? How is that any better than what we have now?

-Pass a bill that divests the federal gov't of it's field pre-emption in areas like medical marijuana and gay marriage.

This would require rolling back McCulloch v. Maryland. Good luck again.

-Sexbot Research. This one should probably be listed first.

The nerd lobby is going to love you.

BarrRepublican:I suppose I would fall in that 15%.

I'm still voting conservative, though.

Someone who has their candidate as their screen name, and then says no matter what I'm voting conservative says he would be the 15% that could swing either way. Right.

Rev. Skarekroe:Much of the other 85% votes blindly by party whether they're likely to screw up the country or not.

This

/proud member of the 15%
//except that I do care, I've just lost hope

What's with this annoyingkidnextdoor with "first" always at the end of the comments?

I'd also passed a Bill that required FEMA and each State EMA to draft emergency plans that put simultaneous responsibility on both. Not a "buck-passing" scheme designed to shift blame instead of save lives.

I'd also pass a Bill that states a POTUS' signing statements have only a persuasive or historic effect and disallowing the sentiment of a signing statement in federal policies and procedures when congress has made a contrary finding.

saintstryfe:And the Democrats can't do much. They can't stop cloture votes, so many of the things they want aren't brought to a vote and they can't stop the votes with things they don't like. They don't have the media base that the Republicans to do lie to the electorate, so they can't get their side of things out as effectively.

Don't make excuses for them. Look how many have voted and are going to vote for the FISA bill. Maybe, just maybe, they would have trouble doing something if they tried (which would make them political incompetents IMHO) but we'll never know because they don't farking try.

canyoneer:Many are feeling the economic pinch. They want troops to return from Iraq as soon as possible. Like the broad electorate, they rank gas prices and the economy as their top concerns, followed by health care, Social Security, taxes and education.

Boy are they in for some disappointments. The troops aren't coming home from Iraq and gas prices aren't going to go down. Odd that this fuzzily-defined group of people would on the one hand see things so clearly while on the other being completely, utterly clueless about reality.

So, you think the meat grinder should continue, and gas prices should continue to rise? Or are you just not allowed to complain about those things?

mtman900
satanorsanta:I'M a Democrat who will find it very hard to vote for McCain. Right now, I'd like nothing better than to just sit out the vote. But life is seldom that easy...and certainly not that easy at this point in history. My doubts regarding Obama's qualifications and character are SO extreme, that it has become my obligation to ensure that he doesn't land in the WH. If that means I have to help support the person most capable of beating him in Novemeber...I'm just gonna have to suck it up and vote McCain.

But I am NOT happy about that.

Stealing quotes from Hillary is 44.org (new window), eh?

No, no, I'm sure it's very sincere and not in anyway copied and pasted in an attempt to either troll or add to the "operation chaos" motif.

You caught me. I saw this gem today and thought "What a great post to troll with."

I was able to get a few bites before I was outed, so I'm happy.

/voting Obama

Yeah, scratch my vote for "fark YOU!" and change that to danlpoon!

Must have a sexbot in every pot!

Well, in case you guys haven't been paying attention, the Democratic Party has rubber-stamped each and every policy and action of the Bush Administration, and Mister Barack Obama is rushing to embrace virtually every one of those policies and actions now that he's sewn up the nomination.

You fellows don't seem to get it: There is no opposition party in this country. The election of Barack Obama will change nothing. Domestic policy will change very little, if at all, and foreign policy will not change at all.

As far as America's precious reputation is concerned, Uncle Sam doesn't give two sh*ts about that, and I'll note that foreigners continue to trade with the U.S. and commit troops to Afghanistan nonetheless. Why, I was just in downtown Denver yesterday, and the sidewalks were full of Chocolate Makers and Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys enjoying the cheap shopping. They didn't seem to be horrified to be in America.

As far as your personal opinion of it all goes, Uncle Sam cares even less than he cares about the fake outrage of foreigners, if that's possible.

IOW, this is all much ado about nothing, in the final analysis, and it'll be business as usual after the inauguration, no matter who's elected. When it gets right down to it, the opposition to the policies of the Federal Government of the United States of America is nothing but a fashion show for idealistic college kids and rich celebrities, and that's about it.

This would require rolling back McCulloch v. Maryland. Good luck again.


How do you figure?

saintstryfe:canyoneer:we_hates:"Have you not seen what the Republican Party has done to this country?"

What has the Republican Party done to this country that it wasn't already doing to itself, and what exactly did the Democratic Party oppose during the last seven years?

Well, I don't think we had warrant-less wiretapping before, at least not to any level like it is now, and I don't think we had any wars going on in the Middle East, and I'm fairly sure our budget deficit was going down until the Republicans came into power.

And the Democrats can't do much. They can't stop cloture votes, so many of the things they want aren't brought to a vote and they can't stop the votes with things they don't like. They don't have the media base that the Republicans to do lie to the electorate, so they can't get their side of things out as effectively.

So, yeah, it's not a good situation. The republicans, despite being out of power, have enough swing to stop anything the democrats want to do, and then they use their media groups to scream "The democrats do nothing, so don't vote for them!"

And to ape Louis Black a bit, No ideas are not worse to me then BAD ideas.

So, republicans holding both Congress and the Presidency was a bad thing, but somehow having Democrats do it will be good, huh? As for the whole budget deficit thing, if I recall, it was going down when we had a Republican Congress and a Democratic President. The biggest farkups of all time, the Vietnam War and the Great Society came from a Democratic president, Democratic Congress, and a liberal leaning court. LBJ and his rubber stamp Congress weren't any better than Georgie boy and his.