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Ha, good luck there Barry.

The reality is a lot of Obama's problems are his own creation. He has failed to be honest about his time overseas, his upbringing, and faith, and that has allowed for a lot of questions and criticism to take hold. Not to mention Obama failing to respond to the e-mails for an extremely long time.

But could part of the reason that Obama has problem with evangelicals involve Obama being pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, anti-school prayer, and not strong on values?

Naaah, of course not. Christian Conservatives don't vote on issues they care about, Silly! ;)

Oh goody, it's my turn.

McCainDemocrat:Ha, good luck there Barry.

The reality is a lot of Obama's problems are his own creation. He has failed to be honest about his time overseas, his upbringing, and faith, and that has allowed for a lot of questions and criticism to take hold. Not to mention Obama failing to respond to the e-mails for an extremely long time.

But could part of the reason that Obama has problem with evangelicals involve Obama being pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, anti-school prayer, and not strong on values?

Naaah, of course not. Christian Conservatives don't vote on issues they care about, Silly! ;)

"log_jammin 2008-07-02 12:09:19 AM
McCainDemocrat:If you say his service doesn't qualify him for President, that is bashing his service. eos.

ummmmm....no.

I was in the Navy for four years. Does that make me qualified for President? You better say yes or else you're bashing my service."

Gonna answer him now, danlpoon, or are you going to run away from this thread too?

McCain was in the Navy for decades and experienced more than log_jammin.

That would be a complete waste of time. Anybody crazy enough to believe Obama is the Antichrist of the book of Revelations is beyond any hope of reasoning with.

People that crazy tend to vote Republican anyway.

McCainDemocrat:McCain was in the Navy for decades and experienced more than log_jammin.

That wasn't the question, danlpoon. Try again and this time leave the biatch dodging out of it.

McCainDemocrat:and not strong on values?

He's not stronger on values than the guy that cheated on his injured wife with a beer heiress and was part of the Keating Five?

Hehehehe. Awww. MCD is so cute when he's trying to spin.

McCain has been on the right side of a lot of values issues. That counts for a lot.

Obama is on the wrong side of values issues. And he took a huge hit when his church was revealed to be an anti-white hate church.

SphericalTime:He's not stronger on values than the guy that cheated on his injured wife with a beer heiress and was part of the Keating Five?

I've never seen him show support for McCain. He might be one of those people like my dad who will vote for him with clenched teeth because ... well because he has an (R) behind it.

Now that the Supremes have decided what the 2nd Amendment means, wouldn't that mean one issue fewer that either side can pander about?

McCainDemocrat:And he took a huge hit when his church was revealed to be an anti-white hate church.

Even if it were, what's that have to do with anything? How would this prevent him from running the country? I mean we've had past presidents who were anti-black.

Hey, McCainDemocrat, have you managed to come up with anything positive about your boy John McCain besides nebulous comments about him being bipartisan (where bipartisan means voting with Dubya 90% of the time)?

The sad thing is my mother in law told me that the people in her church have some worries because Obama can speak so well and the bible says so can the antichrist.

I wanted to cry.

limeyfellow:The sad thing is my mother in law told me that the people in her church have some worries because Obama can speak so well and the bible says so can the antichrist.

I wanted to cry.

Yes, but you'd think they would embrace that. I mean if he were the antichrist, wouldn't that hasten the end of this world and bring about the kingdom of god? Why do they hate jesus' return?

rppp01a:I mean we've had past presidents who were anti-black.

We've also had Presidents who owned slaves, but it wouldn't make it acceptable to have a slaveowning President in these days.

Ace Frehley's Ghost:McCainDemocrat, have you managed to come up with anything positive about your boy John McCain

He has integrity. He is experienced enough for the job. He has a good energy policy. He's more likely to be a check on a Democratic Congress than Obama.

so I'm not qualified?

How DARE you bash my service!

McCainDemocrat:We've also had Presidents who owned slaves, but it wouldn't make it acceptable to have a slaveowning President in these days.

I agree.

I sense that Obama has to treat this candidacy as Jackie Robinson had to treat his early career with LA. He had to show dignity while people called him names, threw things at him, threatened his life. If Obama does the same as any other politician, he will be scrutinized for it moreso than anyone else. I suspect you fall into this category.

Else you are very bored.

limeyfellow:The sad thing is my mother in law told me that the people in her church have some worries because Obama can speak so well and the bible says so can the antichrist.

I wanted to cry.

You might mention that the Bible guarantees that the antichrist is going to be successful at gaining earthly power. So, voting against him is sorta a waste of prayin' time.

I guess if he loses, that would prove he wasn't a witch, though.

rppp01a: Race has nothing to do with my opposition to Obama. Obama's not qualified to be President. EOS.

McCainDemocrat:rppp01a: Race has nothing to do with my opposition to Obama. Obama's not qualified to be President. EOS.

I'd rather you state you have opposition to his stances. That would make more sense.

Picking a President is about picking someone who is good for the job, not someone whose opinions I may agree with a lot.

Obama is the least qualified Democratic candidate in over 80 years.

Why is he even bothering with them? They aren't going to vote for him no matter what. Go after the moderates.

Ace Frehley's Ghost:Hey, McCainDemocrat, have you managed to come up with anything positive about your boy John McCain besides nebulous comments about him being bipartisan (where bipartisan means voting with Dubya 90% of the time)?

Of course! McCain has "integrity!"

Didn't you get the memo?
=Smidge=

I guess in your eyes I'm not qualified either. I can't believe how low mccain supporters have sunk.

I served my country and you come here and insult my service. How DARE you mccaindemocrat!

McCainDemocrat:Picking a President is about picking someone who is good for the job, not someone whose opinions I may agree with a lot.

Obama is the least qualified Democratic candidate in over 80 years.

What would he have to do in order to be qualified? I'm curious about this.

McCainDemocrat

Integrity... you mean the Keating Five sort of thing?

Experienced enough: still pretty vague, you can do better than that (hint: getting shot down and being a POW may qualify as a war hero, but they do not give executive experience, General Clark got that right.)

The energy policy might be the only thing that I agree with McCain on, although I will admit that I haven't had the chance to research it as much as I would have liked. Maybe with the four day weekend coming up.

And as far as who is checking whom, the Democratic congress is more likely to be a check on McCain were he to be elected.

You are still dealing primarily in vaguaries and your obvious distaste for Barack Obama.

McPoonDanlcrat has made one half-hearted biatch dodge attempt to answer log_jammin's question and continues to avoid it...

rppp01a:What would he have to do in order to be qualified?

He would have had to accomplish something in the Senate. Which he hasn't done.

Obama has 3 and a half years in the US Senate. McCain has 25 years in Washington. McCain won't need on the job training when he's elected President.

Obama is drinking your milkshake.

It's funny to watch how everyone became so keen on politicians making promises they couldn't fulfill just to get votes, and it has come back around full circle.

He's a quality contender at pandering, I'll give him that.

log_jammin:I guess in your eyes I'm not qualified either. I can't believe how low mccain supporters have sunk.

I served my country and you come here and insult my service. How DARE you mccaindemocrat!

I, for one, think John McCain should cut McPoonDanlcrat loose, seeing as how he has clearly bashed log_jammin's service for one and all to see...albeit in a move-the-goalposts "I can't answer" kind of way, but still. I know McPoonDanlcrat would agree with me that a candidate must answer for every single one of his supporters' beliefs, quotes, and viewpoints going by his past statements, so I feel confident that McCain will reject and denounce his support quickly.

Time in the Senate is not necessarily training to be President, try again.

So Obama should be President because he held a voter registration drive in 1992? or because he was in the Illinois State Senate?

Why is Obama experienced enough to be President in your POV?

McCainDemocrat:rppp01a:What would he have to do in order to be qualified?

He would have had to accomplish something in the Senate. Which he hasn't done.

Obama has 3 and a half years in the US Senate. McCain has 25 years in Washington. McCain won't need on the job training when he's elected President.

So your contention is with the amount of time he's served in the Senate. Fair enough, I suppose.

Can we have ONE THREAD where Danlpooncrat isn't QUOTED EVERY OTHER POST?!

rppp01a:So your contention is with the amount of time he's served in the Senate.

No, a combo of that, and Obama's lack of accomplishments as a Senator.

If Barack Obama was your employee, what makes you think he has done enough to be promoted?

There are only two men alive right now who have Presidential experience who are still qualified to hold office, and I don't think that either George H.W. Bush or Jimmy Carter is the right man for the job right now.

Don't worry robsul82. I'm going to remember this and make sure everyone knows mccaindemocrat does not respect vets and will insult them for political gain.

RemyDuron:Can we have ONE THREAD where Danlpooncrat isn't QUOTED EVERY OTHER POST?!

You missed Monday, when I was canvassing for John McCain.

McCainDemocrat:

He has integrity. He is experienced enough for the job. He has a good energy policy. He's more likely to be a check on a Democratic Congress than Obama.

Apparently the new definition of integrity is shameless political pandering and a willingness to abandon all of your previous values and change your positions when running for president. That and when you return from war, if your wife is now crippled and doesn't look like a model anymore, dump her for a young heiress. Its what people with integrity do!

You know guys, if you just ignore danlpoon (aka McCainDemocrat), he'll go away (...and get another alt for your guys to feed :P)

The "Anti-Christ image" doesn't have much traction outside of the buck-toothed child-molesting segment of society, and frankly, if I'm Barack Obama, I would not feel badly if I lost that particular demographic to McCain.

Canvassing? Sure you didn't mean "beating disabled vets at the va clinic"?

RemyDuron:Can we have ONE THREAD where Danlpooncrat isn't QUOTED EVERY OTHER POST?!

I dunno, I think he's been civil enough when he isn't being attacked.

McCainDemocrat:rppp01a:So your contention is with the amount of time he's served in the Senate.

No, a combo of that, and Obama's lack of accomplishments as a Senator.

If Barack Obama was your employee, what makes you think he has done enough to be promoted?

It's a more difficult thing to consider. I am forced to weigh his accomplishments with his talents/abilities. In this case, I must also consider what kind of support team he will have helping him to create policy and handle his affairs. The president is the head of a large organization. If he surrounds himself with competent people, then he has a chance to succeed. If not, then he fails.

As for what he has done- I've read that he had been more active with policy in his time in the Senate than Hillary had been. If he were running after a mediocre republican president, he'd be in trouble. But as he is running against a republican who is trying to succeed the least popular president of our era- he has a good chance. Does this mean he's more qualified? Well, he might be just enough.

He also might be pushed to try harder and do more simply because he is trying to do something no one else has done. Yes, I speak of race. I think, privately, it does mean something to him.

log_jammin:Canvassing? Sure you didn't mean "beating disabled vets at the va clinic"?

I figured "canvassing" meant spitting on returning war veterans.

i has an internet:You know guys, if you just ignore danlpoon (aka McCainDemocrat), he'll go away (...and get another alt for your guys to feed :P)

Yeah, just like when your mom said "ignore the bully and he'll go away," that doesn't work. Right now, we're going to point out that McPoonDanlcrat is ducking log_jammin's challenge.

seventypercent:Barack Obama, I would not feel badly if I lost that particular demographic to McCain.

If I were Barack Obama, I would try and find a way to make it known to everyone that those are exactly the sort of people who gleefully vote for McCain. You know, with friends like those, who needs enemies.

When I wonder why in the hell anyone would vote for McCain it dawns on me that I live in a country that re-elected george w bush. I guess when ignorance and stupidity rule the majority these things will happen. Maybe when we get to the end of McCain's first term we'll be out of bullets - doubtful I know. If there are brown people abroad we have an uncanny ability of finding reasons to kill them.

seventypercent:The "Anti-Christ image" doesn't have much traction outside of the buck-toothed child-molesting segment of society, and frankly, if I'm Barack Obama, I would not feel badly if I lost that particular demographic to McCain.

subby here. i agree that the people who think obama's the anti-christ are unreachable anyway. the thing that amazed me is that a second-tier newspaper would uncritically report their views (including the pervasive muslim smear) as both (a) news and (b) a potential problem for the obama camp.

i mean, mccain's not going to get any votes from people that think he's part of the 9/11 cover-up. they're not exactly going to swing the election, which makes them not exactly news.

Ikam:If I were Barack Obama, I would try and find a way to make it known to everyone that those are exactly the sort of people who gleefully vote for McCain.

Yeah, calling your opponent's supporters a bunch of child molesters is sure to charm America!

Ace Frehley's Ghost:The energy policy might be the only thing that I agree with McCain on, although I will admit that I haven't had the chance to research it as much as I would have liked. Maybe with the four day weekend coming up.

The energy policy part is interesting. McCain was chair of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee for much of the late 90s-early 00s. So, he has a lot of record on it.

He was opposed to offshore drilling throughout that period. In fact, he was opposed to offshore drilling through the time of the Florida primary this year. He is in favor of it now, I guess, and he was always warm to ANWR.

He killed several stricter CAFE standards proposals in that position.

As chairman, he consistently voiced opposition to the existence of Amtrak, and denied any funds for capital improvements. As such, except for the Acela, the newest rail cars in the fleet are 12 years old, and the average age is over 30 years. Now, Amtrak trains are running consistently sold-out, and the age of the cars is a major problem. Obama started supporting Amtrak as a state Senator, funding improved in-state service.

McCain has been in favor of Yucca Mountain from the beginning. And I do appreciate that. More than half the population of Nevada has moved there *since* Yucca Mountain has been the declared Federal Repository (1986), so my sympathies are real, real limited.

A mixed bag.