Rudy's not THAT bad, all things considered. Sure, he's played the game before, and I sure as hell wouldn't want him as president, but I will admit he has amazing charisma.

Oh and subby, you said: Rudy Giuliani swears that he's still a better choice

article said: When asked by interviewer John Roberts whether he thought he was better qualified than McCain to run the country, Giuliani said, "I thought I was best-qualified to be president."

followed by

"You know, the voters were right, I wasn't the best choice."


But hey, don't let that get in the way

What he said was: "Noun, Verb, 9/11."

UNC_Samurai:What he said was: "Noun, Verb, 9/11."

LOL that too.

I love that Onion article.. let me see if I can find it.


Yup.

The Onion

Modderator:. . . but I will admit he has amazing charisma.

Really? I don't think we were watching the same Rudy Giuliani.

Three Crooked Squirrels:Really? I don't think we were watching the same Rudy Giuliani.

Perhaps not in the presidental race. I'm refering to him as mayor of NY. He really did a lot for the city, pre-9-11, and had an overwhelming fan base int he area.

It's not quite as bad as the headline implies, but he did in essence say the voters made the wrong choice in his opinion.

It's probably the most honest answer he's given since he joined the race.

Modderator:He really did a lot for the city

I really enjoy where he put the Command and control center for emergencies, over the objections of disaster specialists. Sure, it may have been "safer" in a less conspicuous spot, but c'mon. Who wants to go all the way out to Brooklyn.

Also, I'm glad he cut benefits for those whiny firefighters. Blah blah blah, death benefits.

Modderator
Rudy's not THAT bad, all things considered
I see your point, I'm not real happy with our choices right now. But, anyone willing to ride the coat tails of dead Americans to better his own career is the sickest most deplorable type of human I can imagine. To me, he IS that bad.

Modderator:Rudy's not THAT bad, all things considered. Sure, he's played the game before, and I sure as hell wouldn't want him as president, but I will admit he has amazing charisma.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

turtle1:I see your point, I'm not real happy with our choices right now. But, anyone willing to ride the coat tails of dead Americans to better his own career is the sickest most deplorable type of human I can imagine. To me, he IS that bad.

jba:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

I don't think you can say he is riding the coattails of dead Americans. What was he supposed to do, issue a press release and not get hands-on?
So be it, As a NYC resident from 1980-1996 I was thankful for what he did to NYC.

Giuliani surrounded himself with the neo-conservatives that were considered too extreme for the Bush administration.

It is fortunate indeed that the American public rejected him.

The single delegate that Giuliani spent $50 million to get agrees.

Modderator:So be it, As a NYC resident from 1980-1996 I was thankful for what he did to NYC.

And you can "admire" him for that, if you want, but he wasn't running on that record, he was running on 9/11. And the fact remains that he put that command center in the exact WRONG location, and he and his staff was walking around the city dazed and confused because of it. Not to put too fine a point on it, but that decision to put command at the exact location where the terrorists hit before in 1993 may have cost some lives.

Also, after 9/11 he wanted to suspend elections, and not leave office because of the emergency. Everyone should be afraid of politicians who refuse to leave when their term is up.

Modderator:
I don't think you can say he is riding the coattails of dead Americans. What was he supposed to do, issue a press release and not get hands-on?
So be it, As a NYC resident from 1980-1996 I was thankful for what he did to NYC.


As a resident of NYC since 1976, he did a great job with the police, and a crappy job with almost everything else. It's particularly noticeable now that we have a good mayor in Bloomberg.

Giuliani as president is possibly the most ridiculous idea ever. As they say, he couldn't get elected dog catcher in NYC any longer.

jba:As a resident of NYC since 1976, he did a great job with the police, and a crappy job with almost everything else. It's particularly noticeable now that we have a good mayor in Bloomberg.

Bloomberg is a godsend. I wish he would run as an Independent

Etchy333:but that decision to put command at the exact location where the terrorists hit before in 1993 may have cost some lives.

Hindsight, 20/20, etc.

Modderator
I can certainly see why you liked him then.
I'm not referencing the time period right after the tragedy. I'm talking about his presidential campaign, where he went to great lengths to remind us where he was on that day, and what he did. The ONLY reason he mentioned 9/11 was to better his career IMHO. Farking asshat.

Not trying to flame you bro, Rudy just brings out the anger in me :P

Modderator:Hindsight, 20/20, etc.

Bullshiat, where is the hindsight when that was a spot that was already hit by terrorists. A lot of people advised against putting it in an iconic building. Rudy wanted it there so he could have a love shack with Judith.

turtle1:Not trying to flame you bro, Rudy just brings out the anger in me :P

I hear ya, I hear ya.

I personally think that Guilliani would be a better candidate for the republican party, myself. Much better than PANCAKES!!

Ender's:I personally think that Guilliani would be a better candidate for the republican party, myself. Much better than PANCAKES!!

LOL OMG did you just come up with that? That's so witty!

Modderator:Etchy333:but that decision to put command at the exact location where the terrorists hit before in 1993 may have cost some lives.

Hindsight, 20/20, etc.

Actually, it's Rudy. So in all likelihood, hindsight is 9/11.

Modderator:Rudy's not THAT bad, all things considered.

Rudy's the worst. Completely unpresidential plus assorted liabilities.

Why even spend ad money in Florida when the election there is rigged?

aden_nak:Modderator:Etchy333:but that decision to put command at the exact location where the terrorists hit before in 1993 may have cost some lives.

Hindsight, 20/20, etc.

Actually, it's Rudy. So in all likelihood, hindsight is 9/11.

Beauty.

What bothered me a 9iu11ani was his insistence on tracking everything with databases of information. Be it 'Borderstat' to track Mexicans or 'Crimestat' to track potential criminal movement, it was a very draconian and scary type of system to imagine. He did want something similar for infrastructure, though, ReadyStat, which didn't seem like a half-bad idea to make sure that our bridges/levies/etc were always up for regular inspection. I guess the idea of keeping track of physical objects is great; keeping track of people is 1984. I guess in regard to civil liberties it actually could be worse than Dubya. 9/11

UNC_Samurai:What he said was: "Noun, Verb, 9/11."

Joe Biden FTFW.

Giuliani sucks. I'm so glad he f*cked up his campaign. He was only running on a strategy of fear.

Oh, and subby is an asshat for completely distorting what he said.

Rudy's campaign strategy was the single dumbest I have ever seen. I mean, the Hilldebeast had a pretty poor grasp of the Dem race every step of the way, that's for sure. But her team wasn't in the same league as Rudy's. He's the all-time chump.

Modderator:Rudy's not THAT bad, all things considered

Any one who says "Freedom is about authority" does not belong in any position of authority. End of story.

That's without going into his record, which shows just how authoritarian he really is.

aden_nak:Actually, it's Rudy. So in all likelihood, hindsight is 9/11.

You got me there, I'll admit.

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do".

-Rudy Giuliani- March, 1994

9/11

Churchill2004:Any one who says "Freedom is about authority" does not belong in any position of authority. End of story.

That's without going into his record, which shows just how authoritarian he really is.

Eh- he did what he did, and he turned NYC around. Nobody's perfect

wolvernova:UNC_Samurai:What he said was: "Noun, Verb, 9/11."

Joe Biden FTFW.

Giuliani sucks. I'm so glad he f*cked up his campaign. He was only running on a strategy of fear.

Oh, and subby is an asshat for completely distorting what he said.

Subby quoted the headline. Perhaps you're the asshat for not noticing.

/not subby.
/no greenz fo' me!

Between Hillary and Rudy, NYC has proven they are full of fail.

As a toilet plunger salesman, I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

Man, he's got literally dozens of supporters in that room.

what_now:"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do".

-Rudy Giuliani- March, 1994

9/11

Freedom IS about authority, and following just laws, or else you have anarchy.

The problem comes in when laws become unjust.

what_now:"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do".

-Rudy Giuliani- March, 1994

9/11

That's some classic doublethink. I'm both happy and glad the Republicans didn't go with him. Happy because that's a terrible thing to say, and sad because Obama could have handed him his ass inside of a week.

Ron Paul was our little kamikaze that sank the Guiliani battleship..

His candidacy was worth every dime just to get in Rudy's face, pants him at every debate, and ultimatley help to knock him out of the race.

Darconix:So does John McCain.

Yeah. Bloomberg is smart though- he sees the giant pile of shiat that either candidate is going to inherit and figures he can sit this one out.

JimmyFartpants:Ron Paul was our little kamikaze that sank the Guiliani battleship..

His candidacy was worth every dime just to get in Rudy's face, pants him at every debate, and ultimatley help to knock him out of the race.

This.

I still listen in disbelief when Hannity says Rudy schooled him in the May debate about 9/11. What Paul said was 100% correct, and it only takes five minutes of real research to see that. People that think it was about them hating our freedom are lazy f*cking tards.

Well that just 9/11's me off! Rudy got 9/11'd by the established 9/11. If he had any 9/11 he'd realize that he should 9/11 right back at those 9/11's.

wolvernova:I still listen in disbelief when Hannity says Rudy schooled him in the May debate about 9/11.

He did say that Iraq caused 9/11. Perhaps Rudy and the Fox News audience forget that we were involved in Iraq long before 2003, when they were the ones cheerleading an invasion instead of accusing Clinton of 'wagging the dog' for bombing them.

Modderator:Giuliani said, "I thought I was best-qualified to be president."

followed by

"You know, the voters were right, I wasn't the best choice."

But hey, don't let that get in the way

that quote wasn't attributed to guiliani in the article. the reporter was throwing it out there as an example of what is impossible for a political ego to endure.

but hey, don't let that get in the way...

Mr_Fabulous:Rudy's campaign strategy was the single dumbest I have ever seen. I mean, the Hilldebeast had a pretty poor grasp of the Dem race every step of the way, that's for sure. But her team wasn't in the same league as Rudy's. He's the all-time chump.

You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

Sooo... Does that make Iraq the new Florida by proxy?

meddlin' kid:Modderator:Giuliani said, "I thought I was best-qualified to be president."

followed by

"You know, the voters were right, I wasn't the best choice."

But hey, don't let that get in the way

that quote wasn't attributed to guiliani in the article. the reporter was throwing it out there as an example of what is impossible for a political ego to endure.

but hey, don't let that get in the way...

Oh? from TFA:

Now not many politicians would leave a race as Giuliani did and say later, "You know, the voters were right, I wasn't the best choice."


did you not understand because of all the big words?