tag out getting "Freedom Tickled"?

...so, you're saying it works?

NittLion78

...so, you're saying it works?

Only if the false confession is admissable in a courtroom. Which it isn't.

Marcus Aurelius:

Only if the false confession is admissable in a courtroom. Which it isn't.


well lucky for us terrorism suspects aren't being tried in courtrooms, or anywhere else for that matter.

We executed the Jap XO's for lesser War Crimes.

Well some were learned from the Chinese, whereas others were gleaned from watching Eli Roth movies.

NittLion78:...so, you're saying it works?

It worked on war criminal McCain. No wonder he supports Bush's torture policies.

Tabatha Static:war criminal McCain

Wow. Just Wow.

What a surprise.

Tabatha Static:war criminal McCain

Really - you should step away from whatever radio/TV propaganda you subscribe to for a little while.

Tabatha Static:It worked on war criminal McCain.

The "conservatives" should be kissing your ass for giving them something to attach onto in this thread because discussing the actual subject is going to be a bit of a problem.

Modderator:Wow. Just Wow.

Meh. I read that as ironic, given that McCain admitted to "war crimes" under torture, with the implication being that McCain has not actually committed war crimes, but confessed falsely to them-- proof that this sort of torture does produce false confessions.

Tabatha Static, am I being too generous towards you?

People being tortured say stuff that's not true?

Who knew?

Obdicut:Meh. I read that as ironic, given that McCain admitted to "war crimes" under torture, with the implication being that McCain has not actually committed war crimes, but confessed falsely to them-- proof that this sort of torture does produce false confessions.

That's what I read out of it. But then again, I know some history about McCain's treatment in captivity.

That might be asking a lot out of many posters in this thread.

Obdicut:Meh. I read that as ironic, given that McCain admitted to "war crimes" under torture, with the implication being that McCain has not actually committed war crimes, but confessed falsely to them-- proof that this sort of torture does produce false confessions.

You may have to draw a diagram to go with that explanation, it's like telling your dog to go get $20 from an ATM otherwise.

I'm sure the Vietnamese charged McCain for war crimes.
Too bad the U.S. won't do the same for our representatives who have committed their fair share

palladiate:That might be asking a lot out of many posters in this thread.

I LIKE CHEESE!

Mordant:You may have to draw a diagram to go with that explanation, it's like telling your dog to go get $20 from an ATM otherwise.

Are you talking down to my dog?

ELITITSTS!1!!

Modderator:Wow. Just Wow.

ThatGuyGreg:Really - you should step away from whatever radio/TV propaganda you subscribe to for a little while.

re: Operation Rolling Thunder

McCain on 60 Minutes, 1997: "I am a war criminal. I bombed innocent women and children."

/don't blame me; he said it first

But remember we're still the good guys because...because...oh fark it I don't even know anymore.

Obdicut:Meh. I read that as ironic, given that McCain admitted to "war crimes" under torture, with the implication being that McCain has not actually committed war crimes, but confessed falsely to them-- proof that this sort of torture does produce false confessions.

As did I, not to mention she's obviously speaking from the other side's POV, which you have to do when discussing THEIR decisions (in this case, to waterboard a prisoner) and why they made them.

Not too difficult, I'd think.

/damn well better not be obscure

NuttierThanEver:/damn well better not be obscure

Not at all.

I grin every time some right wing gasbag slimes Obama by referencing that movie.

...given that it's their guy who was a POW in a Communist nation in Asia.

Marcus Aurelius:

NittLion78

...so, you're saying it works?

Only if the false confession is admissable in a courtroom. Which it isn't.

You are making an assumption that the intent is to actually prosecute people, and not merely to create propaganda to further justify more attacks on civil rights and to consolidate more power in the executive.

Obdicut:i26.tinypic.com

Awesome.

Holy smokes, Obdicut!

I've never seen my sense of irony diagrammed for use before... Would you consider full-time work as my personal assistant? My sense of (black) humor gets me in trouble a lot on a daily basis.

Obdicut: That is fantastic.

Tabatha Static:I've never seen my sense of irony diagrammed for use before... Would you consider full-time work as my personal assistant? My sense of (black) humor gets me in trouble a lot on a daily basis.

I have Visio at work, and I never need to use it. Now that I've discovered it's usefulness-- (though image hosting turned out to take longer than the actual creation process) I'll probably be creating more such flowcharts.

Have I finally found my Fark niche?

Also, how sad is it that I reacted to the McDonald's sign, with hunger, before I reacted to the word "Dachau"?

Obdicut:
I have Visio at work, and I never need to use it. Now that I've discovered it's usefulness-- (though image hosting turned out to take longer than the actual creation process) I'll probably be creating more such flowcharts.

Have I finally found my Fark niche?

Yes, yes you have!

Obdicut:Have I finally found my Fark niche?

You've got my vote! You unpacked my twisted sarcasm better than I ever could. I'm humbled by your mad skillz.

(and no, that wasn't sarcastic)

Obdicut:I have Visio at work, and I never need to use it. Now that I've discovered it's usefulness-- (though image hosting turned out to take longer than the actual creation process) I'll probably be creating more such flowcharts.

Heh. I must say it's far more entertaining than most of the things I end up using Visio (or OmniGraffle these days) for.

I am thoroughly disappointed that the "Nips Party" folder in your photobucket contained no nips.

"Shiat, maybe I shouldn't have killed all those guys."

I really miss being a citizen of a nation where we had credibility, where we were the "good guys". I want it back.

Our Constitution stands for something, or nothing at all. Hanging is too good for Corky McFlightsuit. Hopefully history will take a lesson from his treason.

Obdicut

you. are. my. new. god.

Obdicut:Have I finally found my Fark niche?

I believe you have...keep up the good work.

So McCain really supports this crap?

McCainDemocrat - you out there dude? Does McCain really support the US using the same torture techniques that were used on him when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton?

Weaver95:Does McCain really support the US using the same torture techniques that were used on him when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton?

That's Hanoi, Korea.

Weaver95:McCainDemocrat - you out there dude? Does McCain really support the US using the same torture techniques that were used on him when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton?

Okay. So common knowledge is that paying attention to attention whores and trolls just encourages them. I realize that you feel the need to beat up on obviously idiotic positions to bolster your self-esteem, but by getting into "arguments" with a known alt troll repeatedly, you realize you're making things worse for everyone else, right?

Sounds about right. Since we're also using the Chinese strategy against illegal immigration. Hey, it worked 2200 years ago, right?

Obdicut:
Modderator:Wow. Just Wow.

Meh. I read that as ironic, given that McCain admitted to "war crimes" under torture, with the implication being that McCain has not actually committed war crimes, but confessed falsely to them-- proof that this sort of torture does produce false confessions.

Tabatha Static, am I being too generous towards you?

SHUT UP FAG

SHE HAETS AMERICA

"We do not torture."

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and their lawyers (ESPECIALLY their lawyers - Yoo, Addington, Gonzalez, et al - should be in the Hague, charged with war crimes.

the chinese apparently don't know the efficiency of torture by watching of American cable news networks

I popped into this thread just to say: Obdicut, you are full of win! May you be rewarded with many many Internets.

Damn, Obdicut. This thread is so completely owned by you...you have its mutherfarking pink slip stuffed in your back pocket. Nice work, son.

Do we have a manual on how the Chinese make a dollar out of fifteen cents whilst sitting on a fence?

ftfa:
What the trainers did not say, and may not have known, was that their chart had been copied verbatim from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to obtain confessions, many of them false, from American prisoners.

The recycled chart is the latest and most vivid evidence of the way Communist interrogation methods that the United States long described as torture became the basis for interrogations both by the military at the base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and by the Central Intelligence Agency.

I think the people who have been defending this admin. should really step back and examine where they are.

Senator Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan and chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said after reviewing the 1957 article that "every American would be shocked" by the origin of the training document.

"What makes this document doubly stunning is that these were techniques to get false confessions," Mr. Levin said. "People say we need intelligence, and we do. But we don't need false intelligence."

that's our Carl.
good man.

Major General Geoffrey D. Miller was given command of Gitmo. His techniques, ordered by Donald Rumsfeld, extracted 400 "confessions" from 600 prisoners.

He was so successful at torture, Donald Rumsfeld and the White House ordered him to interrogate prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is responsible for the war crimes committed in Iraqi and Afghani prisons including Abu Ghraib.

I hope The Hague gets a hold of him and sentences him to death. Along with those who ordered him to do what he did.

I hope McCain at least got a consultant's fee.

Knowing the Publicans though, it probably went to one of their friends.