Sippin' gin and juice, slingin' yo, rollin' through the hood and bumping "Parklife" in the hoopty? Just another day in the Projects...

Yea, Jay-Z, that's a melody. Look into it, get back to me.

FFW past that abomination of Wonderwall* and relish the glory of "99 Problems" + ACDC's Back In Black; mash-up-tacular!


/*to be fair; Oasis deserve to have that crap mangled on stage. That was not an homage... that was a DISS.

That was great.. awesome tongue in cheek.

In their respective genres and across the globe.. Jay-Z is at the top.. Oasis.. is.. *crickets*
thought so.

Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

BobtheFascist:Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

the Roots would agree with you.

BobtheFascist:Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

Depends. Some hiphop acts are just freaking aweful live. I remember seeing Rascalz live at Edgefest and it just sounded like three guys shouting and damned little else.

Because the link is farked: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GXZsO16w9sw

BobtheFascist:Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

It depends on how good the MC and the band are. Since I'm personally a fan of the more rock-tinged hip-hop of my youth (like Run DMC did), I dig it, personally.

Is this the thread where elitist farkers look down their noses at hip-hop?

Looks around...

mekkab:Sippin' gin and juice, slingin' yo, rollin' through the hood and bumping "Parklife" in the hoopty? Just another day in the Projects...

TomPetty:Yea, Jay-Z, that's a melody. Look into it, get back to me.

Yep.

Where's the NYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS guy?

BobtheFascist:Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

Live hip-hop performances by truly talented lyricists like Jay-Z, Talib Kweli, or Common are almost always elevated by the addition of a live backing band. That said, if you were to stick some of the "rappers" on top 20 radio in front of a live band they would likely not fair as well, lacking the charisma, stage presence, and raw talent to compete with--or compliment--the sounds of a talented band. It's like taking a great karaoke singer and having him sing the same song on stage with the band, many times it simply wouldn't translate or convey the same as it would being backed by a recording; the voice has to be utilized as essentially another instrument in the ensemble and needs to harmonize and compliment the band accordingly. While the DJ will always be an integral part of hip-hop, I think as time passes we will see their contributions more in the studio and less on the stage as more lyrically driven hip-hop continues to migrate to a live band format.

If you have any interest in hip-hop of this kind then do yourself a favor and check out "Dave Chappell's Block Party", it's basically a concert film/documentary of a show MC'd by Chappelle himself and featuring Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, Common, Mos Def, Jill Scott, Kanye West, The Roots, & Erykah Badu. If I'm not mistaken the whole thing is performed with The Roots acting as backing band, and features some of the best live hip-hop performance I've ever seen; it would act as an excellent introduction to the genre for those who are interested in true hip-hop.

MrKraclenutz:Is this the thread where elitist farkers look down their noses at hip-hop?

Looks around...

Yep.

Where's the NYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS guy?

I sure hope so. Hiphop sucks dick and farks itself in the ass.

wow. that. was. bad.

The guy can't hold a note to save his life. And he can't play guitar.

So... in my view... to make music, you must have SOME ability to create melodies (with various pitches), be it vocally or with an instrument. This guy can't do either, thus it is not music. Just noise.

/and get off my lawn.

As someone who's seen Talib Qali and Mos Def live, I found them both a complete dissapointment. Especially Talib.

No backing band, just a DJ, Talib sounded hoarse, shouted his way through the set, whole thing seemed forced and sped up. Blackstar wasn't much better.

Mos Def was totally weird, and might have been enjoyable except i'd been at the show for like 5 hours at that point and was exhausted. That was another thing, between their extended shout-outs, delays, and DJ solos the opening acts seemed to take forever and dragged the momentum down considerably.

Also, K'Naan. He's the man. First act on stage and he was better than everyone that followed. Look him up.

No more hip-hop shows for me, thanks.

Give me a rock band any day (as long as its not Hinder or their ilk).

when he kicked into his own song, I thought it was absolute awesome

Phosphorus:wow. that. was. bad.

The guy can't hold a note to save his life. And he can't play guitar.

So... in my view... to make music, you must have SOME ability to create melodies (with various pitches), be it vocally or with an instrument. This guy can't do either, thus it is not music. Just noise.

/and get off my lawn.

In Webster's view, you are choosing one of 3 acceptable ways to define music (new window), and you are also ignoring an entire continent's musical heritage (guess which one) by basically saying that rhthym alone isn't "music."

Your lawn, stay on it and don't experience what's outside your bubble. It might frighten you.

Phosphorus:wow. that. was. bad.

The guy can't hold a note to save his life. And he can't play guitar.

Yes, he was trying very hard to cover the song well because he loves it so much. He's obviously doing a tribute to Oasis.

I thought it was great.

WaltzingMathilda:rhthym rhythm

man that was a bad one

Kobe, how my ass taste?

yeah ok like wow, he had a guitar ... and was strumming ... for like 30 seconds ... like you can't hear his guitar ... then he stopped ... wow ... like ... he can so like play guitar ...

/ok he sung something like a real song
//like
///it ain't playing guitar
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You need to watch that in context. Noel Gallagher made public comments that Jay-Z was not appropriate to play at the festival. So, Jay comes out making fun of an Oasis song. It's quite obvious he wasn't seriously trying to cover it, just poking fun at the fact he was headlining and they weren't even invited to play.

Secondly, as someone who has seen The Roots play twice, live hip hop with a backing band is great. The Roots are very talented musicians.

WaltzingMathilda:by basically saying that rhthym alone isn't "music."

I dislike trance and house music for the same reason. Too much reliance on rhythm and beat. Besides, I never listen to lyrics and that is all the vocals are good for in this kind of music - he isn't "singing" so much as speaking in time with the beat.

I play guitar, which is part of the reason I do not enjoy this stuff I would guess.

Phosphorus:The guy can't hold a note to save his life. And he can't play guitar.

So he did a fine Noel Gallagher imitation, then.

Thank you degreeless.

Jay Z's talent is that he can cut-and-paste.

No doubt he was king of the kindergarten.

BobtheFascist:Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

I saw The RZA the other night with a live band called Stone Mecca, and it was one of the raddest things I've ever seen. If you get the chance, see him.

Phosphorus:Too much reliance on rhythm and beat.

Know how I know you're white?

davynelson:Jay Z's talent is that he can cut-and-paste.

No doubt he was king of the kindergarten.

Why are you such a sour little b*tch? A rapper knock your ice cream in the sand?

AgentOrangeDrink:Know how I know you're white?

Haha, touche. However, I know a lot of white people who go nuts for beats... just not r&b or rap beats. Techno, trance, and house beats. So your generalization is somewhat flawed.

it was a joke people. he can actually sing, but he was just mocking oasis as part of a feud.

He pulled off what he was trying to do perfectly. Juxtaposing "99 problems" next to "Wonderwall" made it pretty obvious why he's headlining and Noel is complaining to whoever will listen.

Oasis was a good band, but there's something about throwin' stones. He made his entire catalogue easy fodder for a Hip Hop legend to throw back in his face. MC = move the crowd. Game set match.

Oh well.......back to your regularly scheduled Fark hate-fest on rap by middle age white guys in $11 dress shirt & tie combos from JC Penny's. Please, use the only "stage" you'll ever have access to in your life to explain why rappers have no talent.

Phosphorus:AgentOrangeDrink:Know how I know you're white?

Haha, touche. However, I know a lot of white people who go nuts for beats... just not r&b or rap beats. Techno, trance, and house beats. So your generalization is somewhat flawed.

Well yeah, I was kidding. I'm white myself, raised on classic rock and punk rock, but I love hip hop too. Can't really do the trance and house without drugs, but hip hop to me is just the blues for the new generation.

davynelson:Jay Z's Eddie Van Halen's talent is that he can cut-and-paste move his fingers fast.

/you sound like an idiot.

Was that supposed to be clever?

d_the_sandman:

Oh well.......back to your regularly scheduled Fark hate-fest on rap by middle age white guys in $11 dress shirt & tie combos from JC Penny's. Please, use the only "stage" you'll ever have access to in your life to explain why rappers have no talent.

What's the point of having talent if you never display it?

davynelson:Jay Z's talent is that he can cut-and-paste. No doubt he was king of the kindergarten.

He's worth almost a billion in US $$$. Maybe a fifth of that is from record sales.

cut-and-paste your way to a billion dollars? you only wish the world worked that way LOL!

I would have been more impressed had Jay-Z actually played it all by himself, but it was still funny.

Also liked the AC/DC bit in there.

Phosphorus:WaltzingMathilda:by basically saying that rhthym alone isn't "music."

I dislike trance and house music for the same reason. Too much reliance on rhythm and beat. Besides, I never listen to lyrics and that is all the vocals are good for in this kind of music - he isn't "singing" so much as speaking in time with the beat.

I play guitar, which is part of the reason I do not enjoy this stuff I would guess.

Yeah, I'm white and play guitar too. Your Boobies (wrote it out this time, one step ahead of the filter) sounded like one of those crotchety old rocker posts that basically says "I was raised on rock n' roll, and nothing else is music" so I wanted to point out that most of the history of music from Africa is mostly drums and bass (and can be quite relaxing if the right performers are around - see Fela Kuti). But if you don't like it that's one thing. But it's still music.

AgentOrangeDrink:Well yeah, I was kidding. I'm white myself, raised on classic rock and punk rock, but I love hip hop too. Can't really do the trance and house without drugs, but hip hop to me is just the blues for the new generation.

I guess it is to some people. I actually don't know many people who are that into hip hop... But I am in something of a bubble. Most of my friends are of relatively similar backgrounds, even if not from the same area. And most of my friends all are more into one form of rock or electronic or another.

Oasis blows.

maxwellhauser:davynelson:Jay Z's Eddie Van Halen's talent is that he can cut-and-paste move his fingers fast.

/you sound like an idiot.

i enjoy this post.

For all the live hip hop I've seen, Blackalicious takes the cake hands down.

Noel, how my ass taste?

Jay-Z is ok. Typical childish hip hop move, though. He should have made an attempt at the song instead of just being a dick.

And, hip hoppers wonder why they are not respected. Why should they be?

maxwellhauser:davynelson:Jay Z's Eddie Van Halen's talent is that he can move his fingers fast.

Heh. Everyone look at the dumb kid.

People will be listening to EVH forever. Who the fark is going to be listening to Jay-Z? Hip hop has the shelf life of milk.

mekkab:BobtheFascist:Is it me or is hip hop always better w/ a live band backing it up?

the Roots would agree with you.

This. Pure awesome.

davynelson:Jay Z's talent is that he can cut-and-paste.

No doubt he was king of the kindergarten.

I'm not going to shiat on your taste- you don't have to like hip-hop but Jay-Z can rap. He's also a damn good businessman.

Pretty farkin' pathetic when you are an international "musician" and even Madonna can play guitar better than you.

stonehenj:Pretty farkin' pathetic when you are an international "musician" and even Madonna can play guitar better than you.

So you got to play guitar to make music??? He's a rapper dumbass, he writes and raps his music. It's like saying Robert plant is a no talent hack because he doesn't play guitar. I'm not a big fan of Jay-Z (too commercial for my tastes) but to call him pathetic is ludicrous.

are you farking kidding me?

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3702288#new

DREW - FIRE your moderators. they are farkin morons. this shiat happens every other goddamn day.

TheJoe03: I'm not a big fan of Jay-Z (too commercial for my tastes) but to call him pathetic is ludicrous Ludacris.

FTF No-one at all