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(Philly) Stupid Secretary loses court fight where she claimed sexual discrimination because her boss asked her to get coffee   (philly.com) divider line 132
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Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 06:51:27 PM  
If you are a secretary, a significant portion of your responsiblity is going to involve coffee preparation. it's in the job description.

 
Mugato [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 06:58:32 PM  
I hope the STUPID is because she sued in the first place.

 
SphericalTime [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 07:10:00 PM  
Almost as stupid as the pants lawsuit.

Yes, as a personal assistant, executive assistant, or secretary, you may sometimes be asked to fetch coffee.

Deal with it. If you can't, don't apply for the position.

 
Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 07:10:04 PM  
FTFA: "took, basically, the entire job as a joke and . . . fired me because I didn't bring them coffee at a certain time. . . . They had no idea that I needed that job as much as I did."


Apparently you DIDN'T need the job if you were willing to let it get thrown away over a few cups of coffee, and, more notably, how you chose to address your concerns over those duties with your bosses.

 
Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 07:11:18 PM  
Holy farking shiat -- FTFA: Edward J. Coryell, head of the carpenters' union in Philadelphia, never asked his longtime assistant for coffee, even when he drank it.

But his assistant, Maureen McGovern, sometimes finds herself bringing coffee to visitors.


Dammit, Marsha, you spent all that Brady money? How many gold hairbrushes did you need?

 
NeverDrunk23 2008-06-29 07:11:29 PM  
Now, if she didn't get him a sammich, she should just be smacked right then and there.

 
Tex Colorado the Arizona Assassin 2008-06-29 07:36:32 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

Approves.

 
Brettster808 [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 07:36:38 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:Dammit, Marsha, you spent all that Brady money? How many gold hairbrushes did you need?

Maureen McCormack was Marsha Brady.

Maureen McGovern was the singer of "The Morning After" (Theme from The Poseidon Adventure)".

Oh God, I don't really know this, do I?

/cries

 
Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 07:47:57 PM  
Brettster808:Mr. Coffee Nerves:Dammit, Marsha, you spent all that Brady money? How many gold hairbrushes did you need?

Maureen McCormack was Marsha Brady.

Maureen McGovern was the singer of "The Morning After" (Theme from The Poseidon Adventure)".

Oh God, I don't really know this, do I?

/cries


If it helps your shame, I'm even more embarrassed at totally punting one of the Five Pillars of Pop Culture Trivia.

/did you know the ship on Star Trek wasn't called the Star Trek?

 
Earguy [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 08:01:03 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:FTFA: "took, basically, the entire job as a joke and . . . fired me because I didn't bring them coffee at a certain time. . . . They had no idea that I needed that job as much as I did."


Apparently you DIDN'T need the job if you were willing to let it get thrown away over a few cups of coffee, and, more notably, how you chose to address your concerns over those duties with your bosses.


My bet is that she saw the suit as the big payday.

In the USA lawsuits are like buying lottery tickets with better odds.

 
johnny_vegas [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 08:09:43 PM  
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feckingmorons [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 08:15:47 PM  
My assistant has brought me coffee a few times, I've brought her coffee, and we have had lunch together a few times.

I ordered a cake and organized a small party for her birthday, and we go out to lunch with a half dozen or so co-workers once a week.

I have no desire to bang her (there are ladies in the office about whom I have other opinions) and I doubt she wants to bang me.

Oddly some people just can be normal and work together.

Getting coffee is not demeaning, I have waiters and waitresses do it for me quite often. If the boss insisted on spitting on her after she brought it, I could see the problem.


What will be really demeaning is when she can't get another job because her prospective employers google her and get hits on her lawsuit. Nobody wants to get involved in shiat like that.

Sounds like a lot of sand in her clown car. However I would like to see a picture.

 
ZAZ [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 08:27:19 PM  
The fact that a vice president wrote "looks nice, dresses well," on notes when she was hired also doesn't add up to discrimination, the judge wrote.

Legal or not, that's part of the job description for a receptionist. (TFA says this woman is a "receptionist", not "secretary" or "administrative assistant".)

Audrey Jackson, an administrative assistant at an engineering firm in Center City, doesn't mind the coffee.

"I would do anything for my boss except sleep with him, because he's married," she said.


I'm not married. Where can I get an administrative assistant like that?

 
ZAZ [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 08:28:42 PM  
What was the 1970s or 1980s movie where the new woman screams at her boss about not getting his coffee only to find his leg is in a cast? 9 to 5?

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 08:44:09 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:did you know the ship on Star Trek wasn't called the Star Trek

I've actually met people who thought that.

 
johnny_vegas [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 09:09:04 PM  
Churchill2004:Mr. Coffee Nerves:did you know the ship on Star Trek wasn't called the Star Trek

I've actually met people who thought that.


These people?

www.channel4.com

 
RocketRod [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 10:01:59 PM  
Shut up biatch. Go fix me a turkey pot pie.

 
kona [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 10:04:52 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
what is the problem?

 
Phil Herup 2008-06-29 10:16:34 PM  
At Will Employment

No body owes you a job.

/lotsa cream lotsa sugar

 
Phil Herup 2008-06-29 10:17:39 PM  
Earguy:In the USA, lawsuits are like buying lottery tickets with better odds.



Sad but true.

 
geetus 2008-06-29 10:18:20 PM  
Stupid secretary. She is now going to be stuck with all the legal fees, has no job, and g'head - put that reference on your resume. Shoulda just gotten him the damned coffee. If it pisses you off that bad, spend some time posting resumes & applying for different jobs. Or just STFU & deal with grabbing a cup of coffee every once in a while.

 
fanbladesaresharp 2008-06-29 10:18:33 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:FTFA: "took, basically, the entire job as a joke and . . . fired me because I didn't bring them coffee at a certain time. . . . They had no idea that I needed that job as much as I did."


Apparently you DIDN'T need the job if you were willing to let it get thrown away over a few cups of coffee, and, more notably, how you chose to address your concerns over those duties with your bosses.


Gee, sometimes at the plant I'll make it myself because the other crap it burnt to a crisp. I'll farking make it. I don't care. If another manager asked, I'd say "fine, I have nothing else going on at the moment it takes a whole 5 minutes".

She could have taken an hour and a half to do it just to burn time, but no.....she's gotta sue. Good luck at your next job sweety.

 
Mole Man 2008-06-29 10:22:13 PM  
You know you else hated getting coffee?

gayinfo.tripod.com

/He never has a second cup at home.

 
Jim_in_Erie_CO 2008-06-29 10:26:04 PM  
From the article"
Klopfenstein, who worked at the company for six weeks in 2006, plans to appeal, said her attorney, Timothy M. Kolman, of Langhorne.

A whole damned SIX WEEKS?
That's all?
And suing for anything was her answer?
And she really needed the job.
Moron.

 
47 is the new 42 2008-06-29 10:27:20 PM  
If my boss asked me to get coffee, I would. It's probably the easiest thing anyone can do.

 
Ra_ 2008-06-29 10:28:10 PM  
Since there is no double jeopardy in the justice system,
he is now free to also tell her to suck his cock.

People who abuse protections are hurting true victims, the most.

 
Day_Old_Dutchie 2008-06-29 10:28:29 PM  
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sheumack 2008-06-29 10:29:37 PM  
If you are going to sue somebody over a frivilous matter, something tells me that picking a LAWYER as a target is just stupid.

 
DrForrester 2008-06-29 10:29:54 PM  
I thought it was "Office Manager" now, and the word "secretary" was reserved for porn sites.

/or so I've heard

 
LukeA 2008-06-29 10:30:31 PM  
I don't drink coffee. I don't get it.

 
LukeA 2008-06-29 10:31:56 PM  
Ra_:Since there is no double jeopardy in the justice system,
he is now free to also tell her to suck his cock.


Nope. That would be a second incident, one for which a new trial would be allowable.

 
Loren 2008-06-29 10:33:25 PM  
geetus:Stupid secretary. She is now going to be stuck with all the legal fees, has no job, and g'head - put that reference on your resume. Shoulda just gotten him the damned coffee. If it pisses you off that bad, spend some time posting resumes & applying for different jobs. Or just STFU & deal with grabbing a cup of coffee every once in a while.

Not only that, any employer who knows about this lawsuit will probably not hire her.

I see no hint of discrimination here.

looks nice, dresses well--that's relevant when you're talking about a receptionist.

Get coffee? You're at the bottom of the totem pole, what do you expect?

 
arizonawildcat 2008-06-29 10:34:30 PM  
Coffee is for closers.

 
Great Janitor 2008-06-29 10:35:21 PM  
So...let me get this straight. She's a woman, her boss was a man. Man tells her to do something that she was probably told during the job interview that would be part of her job duties, and she screamed sexual discrimination and took it to court. I'm glad she lost.

There are people out there who suck as employees. I used to work in a call center for a home health service, I worked from Friday night to Monday morning. If a holiday fell on Sunday or Monday, I would get calls from some of our care givers asking if they still had to work those days (my answer was, "Will your client still be in need of your assistance, or does tomorrow being Christmas mean that he or she will magically be healed until the day after Christmas?" Those who called in asking thought it was unfair, I explained to them that I didn't care, I had to work Christmas also, but my shift began christmas eve at 7 pm and was ending at 7am). I used to work as a stocker right out of high school with a guy who thought that the best way to get boxes full of merchandise off the top shelf was by getting up there and throwing it onto the floor. Got fired after throwing a box that was marked 'fragile' off the shelf, which shattered upon hitting the floor, after bouncing off the boss's arm (he had been warned of this several times, gotten written up for it, still thought it was bullshiat that they fired him for it). And I had another co-worker who lost her car keys, blamed it on the cleaning crew and even called the cops. Her keys were right under her chair. She too was fired on the spot for that one.

 
rocky_howard 2008-06-29 10:37:01 PM  
Day_Old_Dutchie

DAMN YOU!!! I came to make exactly that reference...

 
oukewldave 2008-06-29 10:38:15 PM  
47 is the new 42:If my boss asked me to get coffee, I would. It's probably the easiest thing anyone can do.

Half the people I work with would apparently disagree with you. We have a coffee maker and two pots to make coffee. You make one pot, put it on the warmer and make another. These people can't figure out to take coffee out of the one on the warmer first and if you finish that pot, switch it and make another pot. So frequently both pots are just about empty. Lazy bastards...

 
Koichi 2008-06-29 10:38:28 PM  
sheumack:If you are going to sue somebody over a frivilous matter, something tells me that picking a LAWYER as a target is just stupid.

QFT

/law student
//studying for bar

 
atlanta_ufo 2008-06-29 10:38:37 PM  
He wrote that she had no coffeegrounds for her complaints of sexual discrimination.

 
TxRabbit 2008-06-29 10:39:09 PM  
Brettster808:Mr. Coffee Nerves:Dammit, Marsha, you spent all that Brady money? How many gold hairbrushes did you need?

Maureen McCormack was Marsha Brady.

Maureen McGovern was the singer of "The Morning After" (Theme from The Poseidon Adventure)".

Oh God, I don't really know this, do I?

/cries


Actually Maureen sang the song and got a no. 1 on the charts, she did NOT sing it for the Poseidon Adventure...it was sung by Renee Armand.

/the more you know.

 
cksewell [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 10:39:30 PM  
A good secretary wouldn't have to be told to bring coffee. She would have known by six weeks that he likes his coffee at 8:00am and again at 10:00am. She may have been great at her office skills but after this thread is done with her she'll never get work outside a pickle factory or laundromat.

 
amanogowa 2008-06-29 10:41:23 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:FTFA: "took, basically, the entire job as a joke and . . . fired me because I didn't bring them coffee at a certain time. . . . They had no idea that I needed that job as much as I did."


Apparently you DIDN'T need the job if you were willing to let it get thrown away over a few cups of coffee, and, more notably, how you chose to address your concerns over those duties with your bosses.


This.

 
everlastinggobstopper 2008-06-29 10:41:48 PM  
DrForrester:I thought it was "Office Manager" now, and the word "secretary" was reserved for porn sites.

/or so I've heard


Its administrative assistant, at least it is where I work.

Seems to me if your job title is longer than most people's names, you'd better have some letters after your name other than Jr.

 
Dubai Vol 2008-06-29 10:44:36 PM  
First time I pulled CQ at my unit in Germany, the commander came in, went to the coffee urn and shouted "SERGEANT!!!!" Uh oh. "Where's the coffee?!?!?!" he explained to me that my most important duty as CQ was to make sure the coffee was ready for him when he arrived. SO then I had to explain that I don't drink coffee and didn't even know how to make coffee. Luckily, that tickled his funny bone adn with great good humor he proceeded to teach me how to brew coffee. And I always made sure it was ready for him frm then on.

So, dearie, if a sergeant can get coffee for a major, get your boss his farking coffee, b*tch.

 
Danger Avoid Death 2008-06-29 10:45:53 PM  
Her boss ordered a double-decaffeinated espresso half-and-half cinammon latte mochachino, with a twist. Naturally, she thought there was some sexual innuendo in there somewhere.

 
JohDHJ [TotalFark] 2008-06-29 10:46:31 PM  
Danger Avoid Death:Her boss ordered a double-decaffeinated espresso half-and-half cinammon latte mochachino, with a twist. Naturally, she thought there was some sexual innuendo in there somewhere.

What's the point?

 
st.theresa 2008-06-29 10:49:02 PM  
sheumack:If you are going to sue somebody over a frivilous matter, something tells me that picking a LAWYER as a target is just stupid.

The company was "national sales and supply" or some such; sounds retailish.

My Coffee History:

Waitress, 2 restaurants -- Made lots of coffee, brought it on command.

Temp -- 2 banks, 1 retail supply company, home office of temp co., brokerage firm, multiple other positions. Frequently prepared coffee, but if I was tasked with jobs I usually didn't have to go serve coffee. Receptionist = often serving coffee, document prep person meant not so much coffee service.

Steno pool, realtor office -- Prepped coffee as needed. Covered reception during breaks and served coffee to guests, prepped coffee/refreshments for meetings. Ran dishwasher. Occasionally brought beverages to brokers when requested -- not delightful, but they probably didn't like taking a small chunk of their annual bonus and sharing it downstream either. Got passed over for a promotion because I wasn't hawt, even though my typing speed was 3x what the hired girl did.

Receptionist, ISP -- Made fresh ground coffee all the time. Served guests/customers, but don't remember serving coworkers, but I think I had to run down the street and gather refreshments for sales meetings, etc. and helped serve food at the holiday gathering for customers.

Analyst, direct mailer -- If coffee was out, I made a new pot. Don't remember serving coworkers.

Receptionist, software co. -- Made coffee. Stocked soda. Gathered dirty mugs because apparently use of some programming languages meant they batched their dish collections and we would run out of mugs. Ran and unloaded dishwasher. Ask me about using even a little dish liquid once.

Data something or other -- Don't drink coffee, so I don't even make it in the office anymore. However, if I'm running down to the cafe I'll ask if anyone needs anything. Made a meat cake for my boss' birthday.

If you're secure in your position in life, bringing coffee to someone isn't going to break you. And if your boss is a jerk, don't fark up the reference.

 
Danger Avoid Death 2008-06-29 10:52:05 PM  
JohDHJ:Danger Avoid Death:Her boss ordered a double-decaffeinated espresso half-and-half cinammon latte mochachino, with a twist. Naturally, she thought there was some sexual innuendo in there somewhere.

What's the point?


This is Fark. Nobody ever told me I had to have a point.

 
chu2dogg 2008-06-29 10:52:16 PM  
geetus:Stupid secretary. She is now going to be stuck with all the legal fees, has no job, and g'head - put that reference on your resume. Shoulda just gotten him the damned coffee. If it pisses you off that bad, spend some time posting tresumes & applying for different jobs. Or just STFU & deal with grabbing a cup of coffee every once in a while.

I recently spoke with somebody in upper management for a big law firm that said (we were talking about lawsuits) companies routinely do a background check on new applicants which include lawsuits they have filed, and often that is all it takes for somebody to have their application turned down for one of the many other just as qualified applicants. Nobody wants a trouble maker.

Imagine trying to get a job with the first thing they know about you is your attempt to sue your previous employer over making coffee?

lol. Start brainstorming some business ideas, your on your own now sweetheart.

 
nuclear_asshat 2008-06-29 10:52:50 PM  
Jim_in_Erie_CO:A whole damned SIX WEEKS?
That's all?
And suing for anything was her answer?
And she really needed the job.
Moron.


My guess is she never intended the lawsuit to go the distance. 95% of businesses will never let it get that far, even if they think they will win. The bad press plus costs of litigation are often more expensive than a simple settlement.

If she had been there six weeks, my guess is she was looking for a bullshiat excuse to file a lawsuit. Once she thought she had one, she found a lawyer and was going for a small settlement. (20K)

Then, as part of her settlement, she has the records sealed and gets a nice letter for her second employer.

Happens more than you think.

I was privy to a meeting (third party witness) where a woman claimed she "felt emotionally raped every day she came to work."

Pretty much everyone knew she was a fark-up and managed to turn her office from a nice cash cow to a drag on the budget in 2 years.

The good news was she got caught banging some other dude and left her husband and moved to another city before she could file any lawsuit.

 
brukmann 2008-06-29 10:53:54 PM  
Didn't we already have the article about the generation who got trophies for losing entering the workforce?

JohDHJ: My thoughts exactly.

 
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