Goddammit, can't you guys just play golf and shoot your friends in the face for the next 6 months?

Mugato:Goddammit, can't you guys just play golf and shoot your friends in the face for the next 6 months?

They'll only play golf when this country is attacked.

'Now watch this drive.'

Mugato:Goddammit, can't you guys just play golf and shoot your friends in the face for the next 6 months?

They'd run out of friends after 2 rounds of golf tho.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have rejected findings from U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran has halted a clandestine effort to build a nuclear bomb and "do not want to leave Iran in place with a nuclear program," Hersh said

that sounds eerily familiar.

US in Iraq : The Empire on Hoth :: US in Iran : The Empire on Endor

Mugato:US in Iraq : The Empire on Hoth :: US in Iran : The Empire on Endor

Shaka. When the walls fell.

I couldn't help it, I swear!

Watch them as the jump the General Lee over the constitution.

If the plans appear to be gearing up for a strike on Iran, and the signs will be unmistakable in the run-up to a strike, I hope there are fierce, violent, ugly riots in the streets of America.

These assholes in office need to get the fark out as quietly and as quickly as possible. Haven't you guys done enough? January 20th, 2009 can't get here fast enough.

If democrats vote for another authorization of force, can we start charging them with high crimes and misdemeanors too?

Norad:If the plans appear to be gearing up for a strike on Iran, and the signs will be unmistakable in the run-up to a strike, I hope there are fierce, violent, ugly riots in the streets of America.

Are you kidding? Everyone will be at home watching shiat blow up live on CNN. The next day people might feel a vague sense of discomfort, but it will quickly be forgotten once Wrath of the Lich King hits shelves.

At least I have a big screen TV for this one - during Gulf War I it was a little one, and not much bigger than that for Operation Endless Occupation.

This time? 42 inches of green night vision bombing baby!

I can only hope the embedded journos have HD cameras all round this time.

Bush and Cheney reject intelligence

What I was trying to convey with my little Star Wars SAT question is that attacking Iran is not going to be the pushover Iraq was (not that the occupation isn't a mess but the actual invasion was comparatively easy).

I can definitely see Bush invading the day before inauguration and then putting his cowboy costume on and riding into the sunset.

Funsucker:Bush and Cheney reject intelligence

Never have truer words been typed.

Funsucker:Bush and Cheney reject intelligence

they also reject reality

and substitute their own.

Every day, I die a little more inside knowing I actually voted for this asshat in '04.

/subby
//first greenlight
///not that you care

SilentStrider:Funsucker:Bush and Cheney reject intelligence

they also reject reality

and substitute their own.

I LOL'd.

Let's see... the operations WERE covert. Thanks, Seymour Hersh!

Funsucker:Bush and Cheney reject intelligence

intelligence doesn't have anything to do with them, so their rejection is moot

Bush has been doing everything he can to push it in that direction, but I think if he were going to attack Iran, he would have done it by now.

He wants to, but he knows that it just isn't politically feasible. The "best" he could hope for is an airstrike, simply because he knows he could order that on his own authority and get away with it. But anything beyond that would require some degree of Congressional acquiescence, and he won't be getting it.

How deliciously amusing is it that all the politicians are now on the exact opposite side of more or less the same argument they were having over Kosovo in 1999. Remember, not only did Clinton get involved in a war without Congressional approval, he got involved in a war after Congress had voted and rejected approval.

dammit, it's just a farking seymour hersch column... Wanted to believe this one too

He wants to, but he knows that it just isn't politically feasible. The "best" he could hope for is an airstrike, simply because he knows he could order that on his own authority and get away with it. But anything beyond that would require some degree of Congressional acquiescence, and he won't be getting it.

^ What he said ^

I don't see an airstrike on general principles, only if there is some specific goal to be met. Some particular "baby milk factory" that needs to be taken out in the near future. If there are 50 hardened centrifuge sites, blowing up just 10 of them isn't worth it.

How deliciously amusing is it that all the politicians are now on the exact opposite side of more or less the same argument they were having over Kosovo in 1999.

There was an SNL skit in the 1990s featuring key conservatives acting like 1960s flower people in a protest over Clinton's warlike policies.

This story is based on a story from Seymour Hersh. There probably isn't a journalist in the country, including Olbermann, who hates Bush more. I'd take anything he writes on any subject related to Bush with a aircraft carrier sized grain of salt.

Churchill2004:Bush has been doing everything he can to push it in that direction, but I think if he were going to attack Iran, he would have done it by now.

He wants to, but he knows that it just isn't politically feasible. The "best" he could hope for is an airstrike, simply because he knows he could order that on his own authority and get away with it. But anything beyond that would require some degree of Congressional acquiescence, and he won't be getting it.

How deliciously amusing is it that all the politicians are now on the exact opposite side of more or less the same argument they were having over Kosovo in 1999. Remember, not only did Clinton get involved in a war without Congressional approval, he got involved in a war after Congress had voted and rejected approval.

While I agree that a direct attack is untenable at this point, I really think he's trying to get the Iranians to do something first. The Mullahs aren't stupid enough to overtly do anything under normal circumstances, but take talk like this and add it out track record of pre-emption and you have a very nervous Iran worrying about pre-empting the pre-emption. All he needs is a jumpy Iran overreacting to so sort of US presence (and we have plenty there to choose from) and he has an excuse for permanent Iraqi bases, a justification of his presidency and neo-con position AND a much needed boost to John McCain. He doesn't need to invade Iran or even strongly retaliate... he just needs Iran to give him an excuse to hold it over their heads.

clgrin:he has an excuse for permanent Iraqi bases, a justification of his presidency and neo-con position

I don't know about that. Seems like the more immediate concern is just war with Iran. He knows he'll have no say over permanent Iraqi bases.


clgrin:AND a much needed boost to John McCain

Depends on how the Democrats play it. If they all do the "rally around the leader!" crap, yeah, McCain will benefit. If they really lead a knock-down screaming, kicking fight from the floor of the United States Congress, they could get the American people behind them.

Sadly, we all know which one they'll do.

DeltaXi65:This story is based on a story from Seymour Hersh. There probably isn't a journalist in the country, including Olbermann, who hates Bush more. I'd take anything he writes on any subject related to Bush with a aircraft carrier sized grain of salt.

He may hate Bush with the fire of a thousand suns, but so far none of his stories exposing the Bush administration have been wrong. Remember Abu Ghraib, that was broken by him.

Churchill2004:Depends on how the Democrats play it. If they all do the "rally around the leader!" crap, yeah, McCain will benefit. If they really lead a knock-down screaming, kicking fight from the floor of the United States Congress, they could get the American people behind them.

It is going to be hard for many of the Democrats, including notably Hillary Clinton, to deny the President if he attacks Iran. The Senate voted for a non-binding resolution last year which labeled the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. Combine this with the resolution authorizing the war on terror and the Bush administration can argue that they are legally justified to attack Iran.

Churchill2004:clgrin:he has an excuse for permanent Iraqi bases, a justification of his presidency and neo-con position

I don't know about that. Seems like the more immediate concern is just war with Iran. He knows he'll have no say over permanent Iraqi bases..

i thought we were bribing/ blackmailing them by holding freezing on old Iraqi money in the states? Anyway, I would think an Iranian attack on, say... an errant minesweeper, does more to bolster the neo-con idea that the world is truly against us and that they were right in trying to head it off by acting abroad then an airstrike against a nuke silo.. Plus, Iraq would more than likely be the proxy battlefield of an Iranian conflict, so an overt action by the Iranian could very well bolster more nationalist Iraqis to switch from being against the bases on sovereignty issues to being for them on security issues... which is not to say that the president has this all in mind in his drive to war, but it could be posthumous bonus.

Code_Archeologist

He's been touting this whole Bush v. Iran business since 2005, if I recall. He also accused Hillary of being beholding to "Jewish money" for her stance on Iran.

The guy used to be a respected journalist, and I give him credit for Abu Ghraib. But he's gone off the deep end.

I'm surprised they're still reading reports intelligence agencies.

...or any agencies for that matter.

Mugato:US in Iraq : The Empire on Hoth :: US in Iran : The Empire on Endor

Shiite Ewoks are ruthless.

SphericalTime:If democrats vote for another authorization of force, can we start charging them with high crimes and misdemeanors too?

If we don't then EVERY man, woman and child in this country are guilty of war crimes.

I'm sick of the dark side, when the fark are the Jedis gonna bust in and clean house??

There would never be an attack to occupy Iran. We don't have the troops for it.

The only thing we could do would be to bomb an Iranian nuclear plant or centrifuge site.

And that won't happen.

/We have the Israelis for stuff like that.

KaponoFor3:Let's see... the operations WERE covert. Thanks, Seymour Hersh!

Lolz eleven blaming the joos again I see. Thank Congress for voting on the bill and making it pubic. Lice.

Israel is going to bomb Iranian nuclear sites October/November 2008

Ill take bets on this, and give decent odds

/3 carrier groups in the region now yes?

Devil Slide Wolf 2008-06-29 10:07:13 PM
I'm sick of the dark side, when the fark are the Jedis gonna bust in and clean house??

Since Order 66 was issued, the Secret Service hunted them all and killed them.

If Bush starts a war with Iran, that's treason.

You know, I'd be laughing at this for how self-destructive this country has allowed itself to become through it's leaders, that is, if I wasn't so close to Iran myself.

Lionel Mandrake:I'm surprised they're still reading reports intelligence agencies.

...or any agencies for that matter.

Mugato:US in Iraq : The Empire on Hoth :: US in Iran : The Empire on Endor

Shiite Ewoks are ruthless.

I think you've got this wrong, because the Empire actually conquered Hoth. It's more like, um, I don't know, something else outta Star Wars. I'm not really much of a Star Wars geek.

Hollie Maea:If Bush starts a war with Iran, that's treason.

If he starts a war I might be rooting for an assassination.

/yup, that's a wiretap for me.

DeltaXi65:Code_Archeologist

He's been touting this whole Bush v. Iran business since 2005, if I recall. He also accused Hillary of being beholding to "Jewish money" for her stance on Iran.
No he didn't. Delta just coz you pretend you're military it doesn't give you the right to speak Moran at us......

I predict a draft if he goes after Iran. Because Iran will attack our bases in Iraq. This will lead to large losses and a call to service shortly thereafter to avenge them. Bush will pull every reserve he can ,pull soldiers from Korea and do his master's bidding to secure their control of the middle eastern oil.

How come when North Korea removed all the UN nuclear safeguards off their, we basically did nothing. Said they where going to build a bomb, we did nothing, then a year or so later N. Korea blew up an apparent underground nuclear bomb again we essentially did nothing, maybe sent some strongly wording letters but that's all. Yet Bush seems hell bent to start bombing Iran before he leaves office because of their nuclear ambitions even though the Nuclear Watchdogs says they have little evidence they are trying to weaponized their nukes. These are the same people that said Iraq had nothing and guess what, they had nothing. Talk about your double standards.

I know that both leaders are both batshait crazy, but what makes Mahmoud Ahma-going to kill everyone, any more dangerous then Kim Jong Il. Yeah I know Kim just blew up one of the nuclear reactors, but it was only the "smoke stack" it was just symbolic, they really didn't destroy anything that would stop them from actually start building "the bomb" again.

Bush and Cheany need to really just STFU and let the next guy fark things up.

WMD II

The sequel!

Hollie Maea:If Bush starts a war with Iran, that's treason.

After Iraq, that's Treason part II.

Here's how this is going to play out:

1) Obama wins in November.

2) Bush, with just a few months left as a lame duck, attacks Iran.

3) Obama gets handed a complete & total clusterfark of an issue from Day 1.

4) The Sean Hannity crowd goes into full attack mode blaming anything & everything that goes wrong in Iran on Obama. Obama has to both defend himself from these unfair attacks while managing an illegal war that he didn't start - appearing weak, distracted & incompetent up until 2012...

To break it down for you, we've finally moved beyond having to "justify our exploits" to you. Frankly, we don't care what you think. That whole "manufactoring consent" noncence was yesterdays news. Just sit back and let us take care of this. Go buy stuff or consume something.

Yeah, you can throw "impeachment" cases against us, or "accusations of war crimes and treason"... you can even "lower our approval ratings" (oh noes), but no-one gives a shiat. We're not running for re-election, so watch us rock it until the wheels come off.

Face it, this is a new America. One that doesn't have to make any sence. We go to war for any reason and no reason all. That's just how we roll.

Look, these guys know what they're doing. Otherwise, how would they get where they are today?

Time to roll out Condi with the mushroom cloud scare image!

Has anyone started to attack the messenger yet?

*check thread*

Yep.

GodsTumor:Time to roll out Condi with the mushroom cloud scare image!

Those are balls.