Obama/Clark ticket plz.

I've been wondering what kind of skills you pick up in a prison camp? How to lose weight is the first one that springs to mind.

Alacritous: I've been wondering what kind of skills you pick up in a prison camp?

Probably the most important is carrying a watch up your butt.

Oh come on, benefit of the doubt here people. If allowing terrorists to knock down the twin towers gets you reelected as president, surely getting shot down out of the sky instantly qualifies you as a heroic Commander-in-Chief....

SSP: benefit of the doubt here people.

True, it's worked before. Getting a PT boat sunk got JFK a lot of votes.

Clark for VP! It makes by far the most sense, his input would be invaluable

. . . "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.". . .

That quote proves that General Clark is too stupid to be allowed out in public without a nursemaid.

Captain McCain was not a fighter pilot he was a Navy attack pilot. He was shot down while flying anA-4E Skyhawk (^) attack aircraft.

If you can't get the little things right why should you be trusted with the big things?

Eat More Possum:True, it's worked before. Getting a PT boat sunk got JFK a lot of votes.

yeah, but then he went and saved a guy's life after it sank, so that kinda helps.

Alacritous[TotalFark] Quote 2008-06-29 04:50:24 PM
I've been wondering what kind of skills you pick up in a prison camp? How to lose weight is the first one that springs to mind.



Also, the ability to be brainwashed by opposition forces while captive and be programmed to lie dormant, slowly climbing up the political ladder based on your 'return-ed-hero' status, only to be activated at the right moment to the destruction of all you hold dear.

Too paranoid?

Neither was getting on a boat and getting shot.

Americans have gotten the idea of electing ex-military people all wrong. If you do it, you're supposed to elected leaders from the military- generals like George Washington or Andrew Jackson. Not low-ranking grunts who performed individual acts of valor that have nothing to do with being President, which is all we've since Eisenhower with military candidates (who made it to the general election, any way).

I can't say I really like Clark, though. He played too central a role in Clinton's illegal war in Serbia.

Probably not, Wes. But the rest of his career sure does.

Obviously that's true, otherwise my grandfather would be president, and he can't even work an answering machine.

Not getting shot down isn't a qualification either.

Ron Paul Revere:God forbid Wesley Clark not know the difference between the two type of aircraftin a division of the armed services of which he was not a part of

Clark was Supreme Allied Commander Europe. I'm fairly certain he knows the difference between an attack and fighter pilot, and I'm equally certain he knew the difference between the two didn't matter to the point he was making. Plus "fighter pilot" sounds better, and he was crafting a soundbite.

curmudge is either being sarcastic (possible) or is just a pedantic dick.

Ron Paul Revere:. . . If you can't get the little things right why should you be trusted with the big things?

Sure. Attack over semantics rather than the substance of the comment. God forbid Wesley Clark not know the difference between the two type of aircraftin a division of the armed services of which he was not a part of.

McCain's service in now way renders him more qualified. Period. Only in the eyes of sycophantic military-hero-wannabes does it make any difference.

Not the point of my comment: IMO Captain McCain military service does not qualify him to be POTUS, it doesn't disqualify him either. General Clark stiles himself as an advisor to Senator Obama, he should at the very least talk to a subject matter expert before he runs his mouth.

I will not be voting for either McCain or Obama in part because they both support the new FISA act.

curmudge:I will not be voting for either McCain or Obama in part because they both support the new FISA act.

An they both want to excuse illegal foreigners, too. I'm probably going to write in Wile E Coyote out of spite.

Churchill2004:curmudge is either being sarcastic (possible) or is just a pedantic dick.

this.

Ron Paul Revere:. . . However:

Churchill2004:curmudge is either being sarcastic (possible) or is just a pedantic dick.

I'm gonna go with pedantic dick.

Yes you are correct when I point out oblivious mistakes made by news reporters when they make this kind stupid mistake I am being apedantic dick. However IMO when someone like General Clark makes this kind of error it is because he is too stupid to be taken seriously.

Back on topic: I don't see why anyone thinks that General Clark is a viable candidate for vice president?

the qualifications for the presidency are:

1) be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
2) be at least thirty-five years old;
3) have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

Wesley Clark, along with almost every other politician in the entire damn country, should lay on a Claymore mine for the greater good of the USA.

curmudge:oblivious mistakes

curmudge:apedantic dick

Good sir, you are apparently as eloquent as our current president.

IMO when someone like this makes this kind of error it is because he is too stupid to be taken seriously.

Ron Paul Revere: . . .
Everyone makes small mistakes like that. Even I do. When confronted, I confess and admit it. None of us are perfect, but that doesn't negate the validity of what we say.

The overall truth of his statement is correct regardless of his of a minor mis-recollection.*

curmudge:Back on topic: I don't see why anyone thinks that General Clark is a viable candidate for vice president?

I don't see why you end statements with question marks.**

*Point taken: I guess it is in area of a pet peeve of mine because I've seen that same mistake made on a routine basis.

**Because I was asking a question. Why do some people see General Clark as a viable candidate for either president or vice president?

Ron Paul Revere:. . .I was being a pedantic dick and pointing out that the phrasing was not a question, but a statement.

It would've been a question if you'd said: "Why does anyone think that General Clark is a viable candidate for vice president?"

The way you phrased it made it a statement, not a question.


Opps my bad that's what comes from watching Dirty Jobs and doing laundry while TFarking. Did you know that there is aDirty Jobs marathon on Discovery? (Is that a question?)

curmudge:Why do some people see General Clark as a viable candidate for either president or vice president?

Isn't he a citizen of the united states?

of the people, by the people and all that?

I'm not sure McCain ever said it did.

cazman:I'm not sure McCain ever said it did.

It was directed at McCain's supporters, who have.

cazman:I'm not sure McCain ever said it did.

So, he made a campaign ad trumpeting his war experience just for the hell of it?

HERO tag, more like it.

Smack down!

Obama will be throwing Clark under the bus in 3...2...1...

Churchill2004:Plus "fighter pilot" sounds better, and he was crafting a soundbite.

You want to argue accuracy of statements, then misquote the man? He said Fighter Plane, not pilot.

Descartes:Obama will be throwing Clark under the bus in 3...2...1...

What, are you kidding? Why would he do that for such a great comment?

This isn't the first time the GOP has nominated someone who got shot down (think Bush the elder). Maybe that's why, more often than not, Republicans simply avoid being in wars in the first place and let other people do the fighting for them.

keiverarrow:Also, the ability to be brainwashed by opposition forces while captive and be programmed to lie dormant, slowly climbing up the political ladder based on your 'return-ed-hero' status, only to be activated at the right moment to the destruction of all you hold dear.

Too paranoid?

McCain is just a waiting the activation code from his communist Vietnamese handlers when he wins the presidency, and Obama is just waiting the activation code from his islamist Muslim handlers when he wins the presidency. Is there a non-Manchurian candidate out there for us to vote for? Hell, even Bob Barr is just waiting the activation code from the well-groomed "Mustache Fancy" editors when he wins the presidency.

Well it's nice to know the Troll Bait headline hooked em. One line in an entire article that discusses both parties (pro and con) as well as the third party, and the topic still remains at "Getting shot down don't mean you can answer that 3am phone call" crap.

I've yet to hear McCain state that his military record qualified him to be president. I've heard him claim that it demonstrates the qualities you might want in a leader, it demonstrates a familiarity with the Military and how it works (something of some importance right now) and demonstrates something about his character.

And people wonder why the electorate is appears so stupid.

/Oh and yea, Clark is not biased in his opinions so we should just take them at face value.

haha

i've always maintained that getting caught and stuck in a POW camp
means he wasn't very good at his job

Weren't we supposed to vote for this retard because he got some boo-boos in Vietnam?

Bill Frist:/Oh and yea, Clark CanisNoir is not biased in his opinions so we should just take them at face value.

No, don't. Please understand that I am more conservative than liberal. When I express my opinion it will be colored by that fact. I will in essence argue from that standpoint.

My point about Wesley was that he was arguing from a viewpoint. I don't think anyone in thier right mind believes that by simply being a POW one is entitled to or even qualified to run the country. He said it mearly because to reduce what McCain HAS said about his service down to the one statement would fit his goals.

It works for both ways - was just pointing that out.

/Your bridge closed for fumigation?

John McCain has a long, if uninspiring, career without any of the military stuff.

That said, I'd be interested in the hundreds of pages of military records he hasn't released. If John Kerry "absolutely positively had to" (and did), why not McCain?

I'm curious how, exactly, someone in the lowest 1/2-of-1% of his class at Annapolis, with numerous discipline demerits, went to flight school. Even in wartime, those billets are pretty sought after. With his record, if he wasn't kicked out of Annapolis, he pretty surely would have been sent to Supply corps.

Its a fair point, but I don't think anyone is pretending otherwise. We all know who is conservative and who is liberal. Clark isn't pretending to be a neutral source.

jjorsett:Weren't we supposed to vote for this retard because he got some boo-boos in Vietnam?

I don't see how fleeing the country instead of performing your duty as a man and American citizen, all the while burning American flags makes you fit to be president either. Didn't stop us from voting in Clinton.

Good thing former vice-president candidate James Stockwell died when he did. The savaging he would have gotten on Fark if if was still alive today.

Clark is officially a farkin douchebag and I'm likely an Obama voter.

SSP:
Oh come on, benefit of the doubt here people. If allowing terrorists to knock down the twin towers gets you reelected as president, surely getting shot down out of the sky instantly qualifies you as a heroic Commander-in-Chief....

Not in Vietnam. You had to be a Rear Echelon AWOLer to get a bonus. Actual in-theatre service is a penalty.

Bill Frist:Its a fair point, but I don't think anyone is pretending otherwise. We all know who is conservative and who is liberal. Clark isn't pretending to be a neutral source.

True, but the one liner is symptomatic of a stupid electorate no longer concerned with the complex issues but content to lap up slogans like they're crack laced Lay's Chips.

I'm sick of elections based on....

"McCain=Bush's 3rd Term"
"Obama's a Moooslim"

To be honest, one of the things I've got against Obama is that he promises change but I've seen nothing of this "new politics" from him, just more of the same slogan slinging of the past.

If he wants my vote, he'll engage McCain in multiple town hall debates where they discuss with EACH OTHER thier policy differences and why he thinks his are the best.

Until then he's just another charlatan and my vote will go to McCain because he's pandering my way and my views on the Iraq War.

Being a"retired" General does not qualify you either,but the good general tried and failed.