It doesn't say "fellow heads of state" in the story. In other words, a senator is going on a trip. NEWSFLASH!

jimmyhaha: It doesn't say "fellow heads of state" in the story. In other words, a senator is going on a trip. NEWSFLAshiato strategize with his global socialist handlers..:)

eeeks..mangled that one

First of all, I am proud that after six years, I've finally gotten a link greenlit.

Substantively, this is one of the worst strategic blunders I've seen from Obama. It's like he's handing McCain the arrogance argument. He's already gotten nailed once for the 'redesign' of the presidential seal (which I think was overblown), but this kind of trip is unprecedented. He'll be leaving the US for at least a week, giving McCain carte blanche with the media. And any media he does get will probably be negative, because it will reinforce this image that he thinks he's already won.

This is the kind of thing that reinforces the questions about his judgment.

Did President Bush wait until Saddam Hussein had nukes before he personally went to Iraq in his flight suit and hung the bastard?

Hell no! Mission accomplished you damned libtards!

I really don't know why foreign heads of state would give a shiat about someone running for President. I'd tell them to come back when they've actually won the election. Does our President bother with candidates from other countries?

jimmyhaha: It doesn't say "fellow heads of state"

Yes you are right, he will probably be discussing economic and nuclear proliferation issues with Henri the bellman and Claude the transvestite hooker from Berlin.

/I know, it was the "fellow" part

Plus we all know this is a scam, he is really going to Mecca

McCain would never do something so presumptious!


_{^{John McCain and Iraq's foreign minister met Sunday in Arlington, Va., on ways to improve security in Iraq and a future status of forces agreement}}^

Obama's visiting Iraq too.

I guess that RNC counter put some serious heat on him.

McCainDemocrat: Obama's visiting Iraq too.

I guess that RNC counter put some serious heat on him.

Hey look! He made a real point!

You are right. Obama should be going to Iraq and see things first hand. The RNC had a valid argument.

But you do realize that after this they can't use it against him right? That is bad for trolls.

Obama seems to cave in easily, doesn't he?

McCainDemocrat: I guess that RNC counter put some serious heat on him.

It's been at least 71 years, 9 months, 30 days since John McCain visited Compton, California!

ZOMG! John McCain doesn't care about gang violence!

HansensDisease: I guess that RNC counter put some serious heat on him.

It's been at least 71 years, 9 months, 30 days since John McCain visited Compton, California!

ZOMG! John McCain doesn't care about gang violence!

It has been the same amount of time since he has visited me. ZOMG John McCain doesn't care about college students!

We can keep this up all day McBushRepublican

Obama is one of only two persons who may take the oath of office next January 20th.
This is exactly what he should be doing.

This is a non, non, non-story greenlit with a troll-ass headline.

But don't let that stop you tards from flinging poo at each other.

DeltaXi65: but this kind of trip is unprecedented.

Yeah candidates never go overseas to meet foriegn leaders



March 20, 2008
Senator John McCain is in London today and has met Prime Minister Gordon Brown (above) and Tory leader David Cameron.

I will bet every single leader he meets with wants him to win. The only 'maybes' would be Berlusconi and Putin, who he isn't meeting with.

Can we go back to ignoring McConcernTroll please?

Hell.

Bush had never even been overseas untill he was in his 40's.

So don't vote for Bush.

Dinki

McCain's trip was part of a fact-finding mission with the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he went there with Senators Lieberman and Graham. It wasn't a campaign trip, as far as I am aware.

I don't believe Bush, Kerry or Gore went overseas in the middle of the campaign. It's a bad idea and plays into the arrogance argument as I noted.

If I were McCain, I would say something like "It's good to see Senator Obama recognizes that he lacks foreign policy experience, and is working to gain that experience in the time honored tradition of a European tour, like thousands of American college students have before him."

Nothing Obama does displays arrogance

Like creating his own Presidential seal, or campaigning in Europe, or planning a victory party for months, or trying to bully Clinton out of the race, or repeatedly exaggerating his achievements.

Nothing. At all. Saint Barack.

McCainDemocrat: Nothing Obama does displays arrogance

Like creating his own Presidential seal, or campaigning in Europe, or planning a victory party for months, or trying to bully Clinton out of the race, or repeatedly exaggerating his achievements.

Nothing. At all. Saint Barack.

Yeah, he's campaigning real hard in Europe, cause he really needs those electoral votes from Belgium!

And bully out Clinton? oh dear lord. . . .

And if he hadn't, you 'tards would be complaining about that...

GaryPDX eeeks..mangled that one


no you didn't. you called Obama a communist. all you need to do now is claim to be an independent and it will be just like every other political thread.

Gwendolyn: I really don't know why foreign heads of state would give a shiat about someone running for President.

Uh, because this person may (very likely will) become the next President of the United States?

I'm sure they don't mind getting a preview of who they'll be dealing with starting 20 Jan 09.

DeltaXi65: If I were McCain, I would say something like "It's good to see Senator Obama recognizes that he lacks foreign policy experience, and is working to gain that experience in the time honored tradition of a European tour, like thousands of American college students have before him."

If I were Obama, I'd respond by saying that he is seeking to understand the current lay of the land in key countries which affect US foreign policy by interacting with the leaders from those countries before making decisions about where he wants to take US foreign policy. This is something the current administration has never bothered to do. He is putting an end to our favored strategy for the last several decades of "fark the rest of the world. We'll do whatever we want."

(Only he probably won't say fark.)

GaryPDX: eeeks..mangled that one

Lately that's your m.o.. Kinda sad actually.

Manufactured controversy FTW!!!

DeltaXi65: like thousands of American college students have before him."

Thereby associating him even more closely with his college student base and motivating them to show their support against the condescending old dude. Brilliant!

quickdraw: Manufactured controversy FTW!!!

I bet it's been at least 900 days since that Osama guy visited a controversy manufacturer! Why does he hate American Jerbs™?

adamgreeney: Obama should be going to Iraq and see things first hand

Yeah, because a few carefully scheduled photo-ops behind an impenetrable cordon of heavy security will be a real learning experience. No Presidential candidate has ever experienced something like that!

Don't Tase Me Bro: Obama is one of only two persons who may take the oath of office next January 20th.
This is exactly what he should be doing.

Six, actually.

Six candidates will be on enough ballots to have be capable of winning 270 Electoral Votes.

Churchill2004: Don't Tase Me Bro: Obama is one of only two persons who may take the oath of office next January 20th.
This is exactly what he should be doing.

Six, actually.

Six candidates will be on enough ballots to have be capable of winning 270 Electoral Votes.

That's precious.

DeltaXi65: First of all, I am proud that after six years, I've finally gotten a link greenlit.

Substantively, this is one of the worst strategic blunders I've seen from Obama. It's like he's handing McCain the arrogance argument. He's already gotten nailed once for the 'redesign' of the presidential seal (which I think was overblown), but this kind of trip is unprecedented. He'll be leaving the US for at least a week, giving McCain carte blanche with the media. And any media he does get will probably be negative, because it will reinforce this image that he thinks he's already won.

This is the kind of thing that reinforces the questions about his judgment.

So...he is going to talk to other leaders. Methinks you submitted a trolling headline. I don't see the controversy.

McCain answered this by sending a request for a meeting to the Prussian ambassador to Siam on the next available Gyrocoptor.

robsul82: Churchill2004: Don't Tase Me Bro: Obama is one of only two persons who may take the oath of office next January 20th.
This is exactly what he should be doing.

Six, actually.

Six candidates will be on enough ballots to have be capable of winning 270 Electoral Votes.

That's precious.

Heh

I don't really care if he travels to Europe or not; I'll still vote for him over McCain.

/My first ; ever in a post!

Sabyen91

Obama says that "This will be an important opportunity to have an exchange of views with leaders in these countries about these and other issues that are critical to American national security - and global security - in the 21st century."

That's the job of the sitting president. When he gets elected, he'll have plenty of time to exchange his views with leaders in other countries. He's putting the cart before the horse here. He'd be better served making his case to the American people that he deserves the job, rather than acting like he's already got it.

If this is considered a trolling headline, 99% of those green lit for politics fit the bill.

Because if you've never met someone before an election you can never meet them after the election.

Plus, does it matter to anyone that all the heads of states of the world hate McCain?

GaryPDX: eeeks..mangled that one

well...that's your life

DeltaXi65: Sabyen91

Obama says that "This will be an important opportunity to have an exchange of views with leaders in these countries about these and other issues that are critical to American national security - and global security - in the 21st century."

That's the job of the sitting president. When he gets elected, he'll have plenty of time to exchange his views with leaders in other countries. He's putting the cart before the horse here. He'd be better served making his case to the American people that he deserves the job, rather than acting like he's already got it.

If this is considered a trolling headline, 99% of those green lit for politics fit the bill.

Still don't see the controversy. McCain does the same and will in the future. Meh.

DeltaXi65: Sabyen91

Obama says that "This will be an important opportunity to have an exchange of views with leaders in these countries about these and other issues that are critical to American national security - and global security - in the 21st century."

That's the job of the sitting president. When he gets elected, he'll have plenty of time to exchange his views with leaders in other countries. He's putting the cart before the horse here. He'd be better served making his case to the American people that he deserves the job, rather than acting like he's already got it.

If this is considered a trolling headline, 99% of those green lit for politics fit the bill.

And yes, 99% of politics tab greenlights are trolling. Fark is odd that way.

DeltaXi65: Sabyen91

Obama says that "This will be an important opportunity to have an exchange of views with leaders in these countries about these and other issues that are critical to American national security - and global security - in the 21st century."

That's the job of the sitting president. When he gets elected, he'll have plenty of time to exchange his views with leaders in other countries. He's putting the cart before the horse here. He'd be better served making his case to the American people that he deserves the job, rather than acting like he's already got it.

If this is considered a trolling headline, 99% of those green lit for politics fit the bill.

I give you credit for not being misleading like at least half Fark Politics headlines. Nice job. Still, it is really a non-story.

Sabyen91

If and when McCain announces a campaign trip - not a Senate related fact-finding mission - to Europe or the middle east, I'll criticize him too.

DeltaXi65: He's putting the cart before the horse here.

I think you need to put the shut the fark up before the keep talking.

While some could see this as arrogance in him assuming he has already wrapped up the election, I don't see it that way. He has yet to express his plan for foreign policy, and meeting with the leaders of other countries will let him make an educated lay out of policy.

This is instead of possibly laying out his plan and then he finds out after the election that it isn't the best and he has to change it if he wants allies in his foreign policy vision.

And if anyone does think its arrogance about his own views on his chance of election, he can always play the line that he is currently a member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee... this definitely is relevant to that position.

DeltaXi65: Sabyen91

If and when McCain announces a campaign trip - not a Senate related fact-finding mission - to Europe or the middle east, I'll criticize him too.

Still...don't see the outrage.

Obama is the chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on European Affairs, as well as a member of the full Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he is going with other Senators (Casey and McCaskill, perhaps? Lugar?). This isn't just a campaign thing.

// Obama has more foreign policy experience than Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or W had upon winning the presidency.