I enjoyed reading the reactions. Our model is wrong, but we must panic anyway because it might become right again some day.

More global warming=more hurricanes=more ocean water surface area=more halogens to bind with greenhouse gasses=less global warming=more pirates.

/arrrg

"It will only take a small increase in nitrogen oxides from fossil fuel combustion, carried here from Europe, West Africa or North America on the trade winds, to tip the balance from a sink to a source of ozone,"

There it is; the buzz phrase from hell. We're all gonna die!

stupid scienticians, Jesus will make everything OK if we just ignore the environment and put our faith in him instead.

It's almost as if our planet doesn't want us to kill it.

Poor Ozone.

He won't be Breakin' any time soon, I guess.

Hah!

You know who I'm laughing at; yes you do.

Who would you rather believe?

A bunch of school kids playing with models or some grown up industry managers who practice daily on the real thing?

FTFA: "Researchers warn, however, that there is a risk the process could be overpowered by rising industrial pollution and therefore more money is needed for hookers and blow"

That seems like an odd thing to say.

So I guess it's still ok to treat the atmosphere as wild uncontrolled experiment.

NYZooMan: Who would you rather believe?

A bunch of school kids playing with models teenagers on the internet or some grown up industry managers who practice daily on the real thing?

FTF my fellow Farkers.

Ozone in the lower atmosphere is a pollutant, for which there is a natural absorption process. Regardless of the fact that we knew the ozone was going somewhere, proven by the fact that we're still farking alive, it completely invalidates all current climate models, and shows the entire global climate change scam to be just that.

There, the opposition has been thoroughly covered, and all deniers can go home. Can we move on, now?

I like global climate change.

it makes me happy and my lawn greener.

QU!RK1019: It's almost as if our planet doesn't want us to kill it.

It's as if mother nature derives great pleasure in screwing with us and our primitive understanding of her.

GIS for "climate models":



/go green

mikaloyd: I like global climate change.

it makes me happy and my lawn greener.

Unless you live in the Southwest, South-Central, Plains or Central Midwest, of course.

Nature isn't a busty woman in a green catsuit. It's a really tired male circus performer trying to keep 50 plates spinning in the air all at once...

Mentat: mikaloyd: I like global climate change.

it makes me happy and my lawn greener.

Unless you live in the Southwest, South-Central, Plains or Central Midwest, of course.

Im sure I still like it no matter where I live.

When did ozone become a greenhouse gas?
When did it change from a very unstable molecule that degrades to regular diatomic oxygen in about 30 minutes at STP to something that is destroyed by the rays of the sun?
Speaking of that, when did it change that the rays of the sun interacting with the upper atmosphere is what creates ozone?

wombatsrus: GIS for "climate models":



/go green

Al Gore never made me study the issue this closely and I have to say that I think one of your Climate Models has camel toe. God bless her little heart!

Go ahead, keep denying it!

So how much does this really affect climate change models? The article seems to evade this question nicely.

methane released in the tropics?

they eat spicier foods there, so i don't think the methane is being released by the ocean by nature...

Benjimin_Dover: When did ozone become a greenhouse gas?
When did it change from a very unstable molecule that degrades to regular diatomic oxygen in about 30 minutes at STP to something that is destroyed by the rays of the sun?
Speaking of that, when did it change that the rays of the sun interacting with the upper atmosphere is what creates ozone?

There was a consensus meeting. We all decided we didnt like it that old way.

wombatsrus: GIS for "climate models":



/go green

Dear JEBUS! That was nice!

Benjimin_Dover: When did ozone become a greenhouse gas?
When did it change from a very unstable molecule that degrades to regular diatomic oxygen in about 30 minutes at STP to something that is destroyed by the rays of the sun?
Speaking of that, when did it change that the rays of the sun interacting with the upper atmosphere is what creates ozone?

I think all the answers to your questions were in eighth grade earth science. Maybe you were asleep.

Benjimin_Dover: When did ozone become a greenhouse gas?
When did it change from a very unstable molecule that degrades to regular diatomic oxygen in about 30 minutes at STP to something that is destroyed by the rays of the sun?
Speaking of that, when did it change that the rays of the sun interacting with the upper atmosphere is what creates ozone?

Most people have become fond of links, rather than long, drawn-out monologues about such subjects. Therefore, I present you with this.

Benjimin_Dover: Speaking of that, when did it change that the rays of the sun interacting with the upper atmosphere is what creates ozone?

That still happens. Natural ozone is in the stratosphere.

We give nature a helping hand and pump that shiat into the troposphere. Not good stuff there.

Go ahead, keep denying it!

Okay. Those are cars are not under water.

Alt_Login: Go ahead, keep denying it!

Thanks; as a resident of Johnstown, Pennsylvania, I will.

If we dipped Al Gore in the ocean, we could calculate his density by comparing his weight to the amount that the ocean would rise. Eureka!

Global warming - is there anything it can't do?

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Blaming Bush in 5....4....3.....

Climate "scientists" don't know how large parts of the Earth's climate even work, but they can put together computer models that can predict exactly what will happen in the future.

Of course, that assumes you ignore all their previous models that were wrong. And also ignore all the bad assumptions they put into those models that have also been proven wrong.

Anybody who believes the crap that comes out of the climate "science" community is a willing rube.

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: Vampire moths African aid threatened,World in flames Loch Ness monster dead landslides of ice at 140 mph

And people wonder why I am for anthropogenic consensual global climate warming change.

Philistines!

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: Global warming - is there anything it can't do?

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Acne, agricultural land increase, Afghan poppies destroyed, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, Africa in conflict, aggressive weeds, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), anaphylactic reactions to bee stings, ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, Antarctic grass flourishes, Antarctic ice grows, Antarctic ice shrinks, Antarctic sea life at risk, anxiety treatment, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic ice free, Arctic ice melt faster, Arctic lakes disappear, Arctic tundra to burn, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, Baghdad snow, Bahrain under water, bananas grow, barbarisation, beer shortage, beetle infestation, bet for $10,000, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billion homeless, billions face risk, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, bird loss accelerating, bird visitors drop, birds confused, birds return early, birds driven north, bittern boom ends, blackbirds stop singing, blackbirds threatened, blizzards, blue mussels return, bluetongue, brains shrink, bridge collapse (Minneapolis), Britain Siberian, British gardens change, brothels struggle, brown Ireland, bubonic plague, budget increases, Buddhist temple threatened, building collapse, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north, camel deaths, cancer deaths in England, cannibalism, cataracts, caterpillar biomass shift, cave paintings threatened, childhood insomnia, Cholera, circumcision in decline, cirrus disappearance, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cockroach migration, coffee threatened, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), cold wave (India), computer models, conferences, conflict, conflict with Russia, consumers foot the bill, coral bleaching, coral fish suffer, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , coral reefs twilight, cost of trillions, cougar attacks, cradle of civilisation threatened, creatures move uphill, crime increase, crocodile sex, crops devastated, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, curriculum change, cyclones (Australia), danger to kid's health, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, death rate increase (US), Dengue hemorrhagic fever, depression, desert advance, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt, early marriages, early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spins faster, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, earthquakes redux, El Niño intensification, end of the world as we know it, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, English villages lost, equality threatened, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, eutrophication, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, pikas, polar bears, gorillas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, mountain species, not polar bears, barrier reef, leaches, tropical insects) experts muzzled, extreme changes to California, fading fall foliage, fainting, famine, farmers benefit, farmers go under, farm output boost, fashion disaster, fever,figurehead sacked, fir cone bonanza, fish catches drop, fish downsize, fish catches rise, fish deaf, fish get lost, fish stocks ...

We didn't start the fire?

Trance750: Blaming Bush in 5....4....3.....

carbon Dioxide makes my bushes greener.

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr
can i get that in cliff notes?

1-RocketMan-1: Anybody who believes the crap that comes out of the climate "science" community is a willing rube.

I look forward to seeing your climate model in the near future.

wombatsrus: GIS for "climate models":

[Hot Twins]

/go green

Isnt one of those twins an MP in the UK?

Remember seeing them on a side article on bbc or sun...

/would put on a powdered wig and hit both like the monarchy

"Half our estimated emissions fail to accumulate in the atmosphere, "disappearing" into sinks as yet undetermined. Humans' total accumulated carbon contribution could account for perhaps a quarter of the total non-water greenhouse gases (that is, accounting for all the increase since the Industrial Revolution regardless of source and irrespective of whether warming from any cause might result in an increase in natural emission to atmosphere -- we're simply claiming the lot as anthropogenic or human-caused here).

Assuming that water vapor accounts for about 70% and clouds (mostly water droplets) accounts for another 20%, thus water in it's various forms is 90% of the total greenhouse effect, leaving 10% for non-water greenhouse effect (we know we cited 95% above -- see "important distinction"). Of this remaining 10%, mainly atmospheric carbon, humans might be responsible for 25% of the total accumulated atmospheric carbon, meaning 0.25 x 0.1 = 0.025 x 100 = 2.5% of the total greenhouse effect."

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Stiff Carbon Tax and mandatory purchase of Carbon Credits is the only way to save this planet!

licktheloki: I think all the answers to your questions were in eighth grade earth science. Maybe you were asleep.

wmoonfox: Most people have become fond of links, rather than long, drawn-out monologues about such subjects. Therefore, I present you with this.

As I said. When did it change? I was awake during science classes a few decades ago. What was being taught then was that ozone was created by sun rays. It wasn't destroyed by sun rays. We were also taught that it is VERY unstable and degrades all by itself from O3 to O2 pretty readily. No sun required. It also was not a greenhouse gas. It is a good blocker of UV rays and as far as I know, its IF blocking ability is equal to "Jack Squat." Blocking IF is pretty much a requirement if you are going to be a true "greenhouse gas." According to the environmentalists, every single gas within the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas since it fits their "new" definition from the same Wikipedia of:

Greenhouse gases are the gases present in the earth's atmosphere which reduce the loss of heat into space

Yep. Pretty much everything.

Alt_Login: Stiff Carbon Tax and mandatory purchase of Carbon Credits is the only way to save this planet!

surely you jest! Carbon credits? Seriously?

Short term patch with absolutely no long term benefits.

It seems like all farkers believe that global warming/climate change is just so much hype. I hope you're right; that will be great. Myself, I think we pump so much garbage into the air, into the rivers, into the oceans that it's bound to catch up with us - all 7 billion, headed to 9 billion, of us. Hopefully hilarity will ensue.

FTA: "Researchers warn, however, that there is a risk the process could be overpowered by rising industrial pollution that their grant money could dry up if they don't scare us into giving up more of our money and freedom over unproven (and possibly unprovable) warnings of impending doom."

FTFTA

Benjimin_Dover: What was being taught then was that ozone was created by sun rays. It wasn't destroyed by sun rays.

It's both. Ozone doesn't block UV by scattering; it is a chemical reaction that ultimately converts UV into heat

The ozone is destroyed, then re-created.

Ozone in the troposphere, up to 10 kilometres above the Earth's surface, is the third most important anthropogenic greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide and methane.

I have solved global warming. We just bring back freon in all the hair sprays, deodorants etc. and teach all the teenagers to blue dart and viola, problem solved.

1-RocketMan-1:
Anybody who believes the crap that comes out of the climate "science" community is a willing rube.

I give that a 2/10 troll effort.

/ Meteorologist
// Lots of school work, derivations, etc, but what do I know?
/// As with much in life, the "real" answer probably lies somewhere in the middle between "OMFG WE'RE GOING TO DIE TOMORROW!" and "Humans have NO impact whatsoever, and everything that is happening is 100% natural"