Nobody likes him because he's not lecturing that you should be more like him, he's getting drunk and touching the kids. The abused spouse GOP looks the other way because he's a good provider.

...because when he's not lecturing...

Just like the Cubanos in Miami. The GOP gets around...

Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

The fact that the religious right hates McCain is enough for me to want to vote for him.

Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Maybe they should team up with the hillaryis44 folks and create their own supersucky candidate.

Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Dobson's already put out the word that he'll abstain from voting rather than vote for someone he doesn't like.

McCain's advisors are like the wealthy, grumpy uncle?

Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Please allow me to introduce you to a gentleman named Bob Barr.

/GObama.

BS. They will vote for him. This was said about G.H.W. Bush in 88 and Dole in 96

Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Obama is actually getting quite a lot of evangelical support. Like most groups the "religious right" is actually not all insane people but the ones that get the most attention are. Just like how not all left wingers are atheist, troop hating, elitists.

Even if evangelicals did think McCain was like Bush, Bush has let them down enough (failing to ban gay marriage, failing to overturn Roe v Wade, failing to get intelligent design in schools, etc.) that there's no benefit there.

I can honestly say that this morning on the way to work i was shocked to see something i had never seen before... A Vote for Mccain sticker on someones car. Right next to the proud to be a republican sticker. Now I can say this is the first one I have seen here in the Carolina's so i just thought it was funny


/it was small heh
//gobama
///threadjack over

fark the religious right.

McCain should make a sacrifice: Tell the religious right to fark off. Tell them the GOP doesn't want them. They'll stay home or run a 3rd party candidate (Alan Keyes probably).

In the short run, McCain would lose to Obama.

In the long run, the GOP would be far better off without these farktards in the party.

Cyborg77: Even if evangelicals did think McCain was like Bush, Bush has let them down enough (failing to ban gay marriage, failing to overturn Roe v Wade, failing to get intelligent design in schools, etc.) that there's no benefit there.

Um... gays can't get married in what, 47 out of the 50 states?

Dear Religious Right: please form a 3rd political party and run your own candidate in the next presidential election.

/Mostly for the lulz of rational people
//also to stop putting morally corrupt two faced republicans who con you into voting for them in office

TheCid: Cyborg77: Even if evangelicals did think McCain was like Bush, Bush has let them down enough (failing to ban gay marriage, failing to overturn Roe v Wade, failing to get intelligent design in schools, etc.) that there's no benefit there.

Um... gays can't get married in what, 47 out of the 50 states?

Yep but there's no constitutional amendment defining marriage so states like CA and Massachusetts can have it.

You're my favorite Farker, vernonFL. Do you like sex and money? We should hang out.

The religious right are too busy adopting unwanted children who were not aborted to worry about McSame.

TheCid: Cyborg77: Even if evangelicals did think McCain was like Bush, Bush has let them down enough (failing to ban gay marriage, failing to overturn Roe v Wade, failing to get intelligent design in schools, etc.) that there's no benefit there.

Um... gays can't get married in what, 47 out of the 50 states?

He's talking about writing a ban on gay marriage into the Constitution, making it completely illegal everywhere in the US and very difficult if not impossible for the courts to overturn.

I really do hate the fact that the two major American political parties are basically loose coalitions of vaguely-related but competing interests. I'm an economic conservative, and as a result I have the options of either the Libertarians or nothing. The Democrats have an entire wing of economic radicals pushing them to suggest and promote interventionism in all sorts of ways, and the Republican voices for reduced spending, reduction of the national debt, and minimal government influence have fallen by the wayside in favor of the neoconservatives and others in the party who prefer their own chosen forms of interventionism.

If there were many parties with firm positions on things, instead of two parties with split personalities, we could all simply vote for what we agree with and see where the dice fell instead of trying to choose the lesser of evils. I don't even really like the Libertarians, because there are some government functions they want to eliminate that I believe serve an important need - but I have to hold my nose on it, because there's no other options.

I just want THIS (new window) political party from Norway to make its way to the United States. They have a platform that we could all get behind.

d'art: Please allow me to introduce you to a gentleman named Bob Barr.

I don't know much about the Libertarian Party, but I can't imagine they would have much to offer fundies. Fundies don't want a hands-off government, they government to enforce their stilted view of morality.

Wow, I see a big dangling participle there. Someone get that headline a pair of shorts!

FTFA:

Marlys Popma, McCain's director of evangelical outreach, was one of two aides who met with the forum and reminded them of McCain's record supporting school choice while opposing abortion rights and Internet pornography.

McCain's opposed to Internet pornography? No wonder he's losing the evangelical vote!

vernonFL: fark the religious right.

McCain should make a sacrifice: Tell the religious right to fark off. Tell them the GOP doesn't want them. They'll stay home or run a 3rd party candidate (Alan Keyes probably).

In the short run, McCain would lose to Obama.

In the long run, the GOP would be far better off without these farktards in the party.

If you're McCain and you're busy burning through your "Maverick" image from 2000 why stop at this one?

Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Hi, my name is Jimb213, and I'm a theologically conservative Evangelical Christian (who even works full-time in ministry) who's voting for Obama (unless Hillary is the VP candidate). Interestingly enough, my theological conservatism actually makes me pretty socially liberal. Matthew 25:31-46 (pops) is pretty clear that you're supposed to care for and lift up the poor and sick, not leave them to wallow in their own crapulence.

There's tons of New Testament scripture that addresses how we're supposed to treat others and what our lives are supposed to look like, and quite frankly, a lot of the Religious Right leadership seems to ignore that scripture. Of course none of us are perfect, and I regularly fall short of the scriptural ideal, but that makes me humble and somewhat empathetic towards others, pretty much the opposite of much of what we see of the religious right.

And like someone above said, we only hear about the radicals and crazies because they make better headlines than the nice church-goer who serves at a soup kitchen on weekends.

/Jesus comes first, then political affiliation, not the other way around
//not a preacher, and regardless, don't talk politics with people from the church I work at

FTA: "Part of our job is to remind them they're down to a binary choices," Heckman said.

damn you

Hang On Voltaire: BS. They will vote for him. This was said about G.H.W. Bush in 88 and Dole in 96

the problem isn't "will they vote for him"
the problem is "will they be free labor the party can exploit?"

think about how many people obama has on the ground, ready to go, fired up

what's with the crappy analogies this morning?

My Liver Hurts:
He's talking about writing a ban on gay marriage into the Constitution, making it completely illegal everywhere in the US and very difficult if not impossible for the courts to overturn.

Would be next to impossible to get something that trivial ratified. That'd be like pushing an amendment to make neopolitan the official ice cream of the US, even if everyone agreed with you you wouldn't get 2/3 of the states to approve of adding it to the constitution.

d'art: Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Please allow me to introduce you to a gentleman named Bob Barr.

/GObama.

Do Bible thumpers like Libertarians? I thought libertarians were about leaving everyone the fark alone to do their own thing. The Bible thumpers are all about micromanaging everyone's genitalia.

Hang On Voltaire: BS. They will vote for him. This was said about G.H.W. Bush in 88 and Dole in 96

Yeah, pretty much this.

/Has Religious Wrong family members
//Isn't invited to many family functions anymore
///Mostly because I use terms like "Religious Wrong" to their faces

jimb213: There's tons of New Testament scripture that addresses how we're supposed to treat others and what our lives are supposed to look like, and quite frankly, a lot of the Religious Right leadership seems to ignore that scripture. Of course none of us are perfect, and I regularly fall short of the scriptural ideal, but that makes me humble and somewhat empathetic towards others, pretty much the opposite of much of what we see of the religious right.

I personally don't believe there is a Jesus, but if he exists, I bet he thinks you are cool. +1 for not being a hypocrite jimb213.

Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

That's good considering there isn't one on the ticket.

Great Janitor: The fact that the religious right hates McCain is enough for me to want to vote for him.

Speaks in his favor, admittedly.

pleaseDemeter: The Bible thumpers are all about micromanaging everyone's genitalia.

Not everyone's - just the abortionists and homosexuals.

Liberals are about micromanaging everyone's money. I'll take the thumpers anytime.

cchris_39: Not everyone's - just the abortionists and homosexuals.

And anyone who wants to have sex out of wedlock, and anyone who wants to buy a sex toy, and anyone who wants to go in the out door... all laws that were or are in force in my home state of Alabama due to the influence of hard-line religious fundamentalists legislating their morality. It's still illegal to buy or sell any item whose intended purpose is sexual stimulation - and they still arrest people for it here. Yay, Alataliban.

Great Janitor: The fact that the religious right hates McCain is enough for me to want to vote for him.

They hate Obama even more.

jimb213: Psychotropic: Who else are they going to vote for?

Bible thumpers and Jesus freaks aren't going to be voting for the black Muslim terrorist guy.

Hi, my name is Jimb213, and I'm a theologically conservative Evangelical Christian (who even works full-time in ministry) who's voting for Obama (unless Hillary is the VP candidate). Interestingly enough, my theological conservatism actually makes me pretty socially liberal. Matthew 25:31-46 (pops) is pretty clear that you're supposed to care for and lift up the poor and sick, not leave them to wallow in their own crapulence.

There's tons of New Testament scripture that addresses how we're supposed to treat others and what our lives are supposed to look like, and quite frankly, a lot of the Religious Right leadership seems to ignore that scripture. Of course none of us are perfect, and I regularly fall short of the scriptural ideal, but that makes me humble and somewhat empathetic towards others, pretty much the opposite of much of what we see of the religious right.

And like someone above said, we only hear about the radicals and crazies because they make better headlines than the nice church-goer who serves at a soup kitchen on weekends.

/Jesus comes first, then political affiliation, not the other way around
//not a preacher, and regardless, don't talk politics with people from the church I work at

You heathen! It's far more important to remember God and Jesus's wrath than their mercy! And if God does it, it must be right for you to do it too! So get off your ass, stop loving as Jesus told you to, and start hating!

//how'd I do?

Drakkenmaw: I really do hate the fact that the two major American political parties are basically loose coalitions of vaguely-related but competing interests. I'm an economic conservative, and as a result I have the options of either the Libertarians or nothing. The Democrats have an entire wing of economic radicals pushing them to suggest and promote interventionism in all sorts of ways, and the Republican voices for reduced spending, reduction of the national debt, and minimal government influence have fallen by the wayside in favor of the neoconservatives and others in the party who prefer their own chosen forms of interventionism.

If there were many parties with firm positions on things, instead of two parties with split personalities, we could all simply vote for what we agree with and see where the dice fell instead of trying to choose the lesser of evils. I don't even really like the Libertarians, because there are some government functions they want to eliminate that I believe serve an important need - but I have to hold my nose on it, because there's no other options.

Say it with me: "Proportional representation."

The existence of the religious right is proof that a lot of religious people really don't care about what their religion says, it's just an excuse for promoting their traditional, backwards culture. I think evangelical and fundamentalist Christians are crazy, I'm what some would call a "evangelical atheist," but I would have a whole lot less problem with them if they atleast stuck to the farking Bible. The doctrine of wealth has destroyed Christianity.