Maverick!

Details, details.

Lobbyists? On My Presidential campaign?

And we're surprised WHY?

George Will is going to be so happy he might even smile.

I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

I suspect we'll find out.

Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

I'll go with some version of "This is a desperate smear from the Obama camp because they are loosing in the polls. Don't you Obama-bots realize he's unelectable yet?"

*losing* in the polls.

Crap.

ExJerseyGirl: Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

I suspect we'll find out.

I dunno....he tends to make himself scarce on threads like this one. The whole 'OMGREZKO' thing is really wearing thin these days. Especially when we keep finding incident after incident after incident of McCain/lobbyist sweetheart deals.

Us: 'well, there's yet another McCain lobbyist mess.'
McCain supporters: 'oh yeah!? well...REZKO!'
U: 'dude - that's like, not even an issue. And every time we hit another McCain scandal, you chant that name over and over again.'
M: 'REZ...KO! REZ...KO! REZ...KO!'
U: 'whatever man, we're outta here.'
M: 'pffft. cultist.'

Weaver95: I dunno....he tends to make himself scarce on threads like this one. The whole 'OMGREZKO' thing is really wearing thin these days. Especially when we keep finding incident after incident after incident of McCain/lobbyist sweetheart deals.

They always do that, won't debate actual issues but just threadjack. It is almost as if they know they can't win any issues against the Obama campaign. However, I expect if McBushRepublican does show up, he won't stay on topic at all.

Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

Why do you feed that troll? He just wants attention, and you give it to him.

Obdicut: Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

Why do you feed that troll? He just wants attention, and you give it to him.

Well, I give him attention by either trolling him back, or ripping apart his points, so that's just fun.

Obdicut: Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

Why do you feed that troll? He just wants attention, and you give it to him.

Because I don't think he's a troll. I think he really does believe that McCain is a good candidate. He just has a seriously huge blind spot regarding McCain's very obvious lobbyist issues.

Besides, he kind of went a little insane after Hillary lost the primaries. It's been fun watching him go quietly mad.

Have the Democrats began to turn the tide against the Republicans when it comes to smearing the other party's candidate? Or did the GOP make the fatal mistake of simply choosing a man as their candidate that was probably the worst choice they could have made?

FTFA: "It's likely the Air Force will have to redo the bid yet again, which analysts say will delay the replacement of the fleet's 1950s-era refueling tankers."

No biggie. We're fighting a ground war anyway. Screw those wingwipers. It's not like mid-air refueling is dangerous or anything.

GAT_00: Weaver95: I dunno....he tends to make himself scarce on threads like this one. The whole 'OMGREZKO' thing is really wearing thin these days. Especially when we keep finding incident after incident after incident of McCain/lobbyist sweetheart deals.

They always do that, won't debate actual issues but just threadjack. It is almost as if they know they can't win any issues against the Obama campaign. However, I expect if McBushRepublican does show up, he won't stay on topic at all.

It's fascinating, isn't it? McCain has to keep this election about the issues, as well as accountability and character. Damn shame those happen to be his three weakest points....

KaponoFor3: Have the Democrats began to turn the tide against the Republicans when it comes to smearing the other party's candidate? Or did the GOP make the fatal mistake of simply choosing a man as their candidate that was probably the worst choice they could have made?

McCain was their best, last option. that tells you just how much trouble the Republicans are in this year....

KaponoFor3: Have the Democrats began to turn the tide against the Republicans when it comes to smearing the other party's candidate? Or did the GOP make the fatal mistake of simply choosing a man as their candidate that was probably the worst choice they could have made?

why can't it be both

Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....



BAWK! Obama's a Muslim! He hates America. BAWK!

Weaver95: Obdicut: Weaver95: I wonder what McCainDemocrat has to say about this....

Why do you feed that troll? He just wants attention, and you give it to him.

Because I don't think he's a troll. I think he really does believe that McCain is a good candidate. He just has a seriously huge blind spot regarding McCain's very obvious lobbyist issues.

Besides, he kind of went a little insane after Hillary lost the primaries. It's been fun watching him go quietly mad.

FWIW, I got banged two days ago for talking about him before he showed up. Got labeled a troll myself and everything.

/just saying...

Eddie_Dean_NY: FTFA: "It's likely the Air Force will have to redo the bid yet again, which analysts say will delay the replacement of the fleet's 1950s-era refueling tankers."

No biggie. We're fighting a ground war anyway. Screw those wingwipers. It's not like mid-air refueling is dangerous or anything.

with all the new bases in Iraq, we won't even NEED mid-air refueling! talk about planning ahead, Mr. McCain!

Weaver95: McCain was their best, last option. that tells you just how much trouble the Republicans are in this year....

Speaking from a conservative POV, maybe losing this election is a good thing and will cause the GOP to re-examine the platform and the party. I long for the day when they decide to tell the social conservatives to GTFO and decide to become the party of laissez-faire social policies and economic conservatism.

Sir Roderick Glossop: FWIW, I got banged two days ago for talking about him before he showed up. Got labeled a troll myself and everything.

/just saying...

I think the last 'time out' I got was for going down the 'greenlit' queue and typing 'F*rst p*st' in each and every thread. Granted, it was juvenile but I giggled quietly for the entire day I had to sit out on the sidelines.

um...don't do that by the way. apparently it really annoys the moderators.

Weaver95: It's fascinating, isn't it? McCain has to keep this election about the issues, as well as accountability and character. Damn shame those happen to be his three weakest points....

Yeah, its a damn shame. We just might get close to having a proper election this year.

KaponoFor3: Weaver95: McCain was their best, last option. that tells you just how much trouble the Republicans are in this year....

Speaking from a conservative POV, maybe losing this election is a good thing and will cause the GOP to re-examine the platform and the party. I long for the day when they decide to tell the social conservatives to GTFO and decide to become the party of laissez-faire social policies and economic conservatism.

Short of losing the ENTIRE Senate to the Democrats, I don't think the Republican party can purge the wacko fundies. They lack the will to do so, and the fiscal conservatives don't have a leader. Well, not one they can trust anyways. However, if the disaster is large enough and they lose enough people in Congress then MAYBE something will happen at the top. But given how deeply in debt the leadership is to the fundies and the more corrupt business folks, I doubt things will work out anywhere near to what the fiscals want to see happen.

Weaver95: Because I don't think he's a troll.

That's just weird. He's one of the most obvious trolls on the site.

Obdicut: Weaver95: Because I don't think he's a troll.

That's just weird. He's one of the most obvious trolls on the site.

No, there are others who are far, far worse. Not mentioning any names of course:)

Weaver95: No, there are others who are far, far worse. Not mentioning any names of course:)

I meant that it's weird that you don't think he's a troll. Which he is. Obviously.

Weaver95: um...don't do that by the way. apparently it really annoys the moderators.

I'll bet it does. In fairness to them, I didn't get a time out. I just had to endure the public shaming of having my post deleted with the phrase "trolling other users..."

Oh well, live and learn. I was just trying to do my civic duty...

Obdicut: Weaver95: No, there are others who are far, far worse. Not mentioning any names of course:)

I meant that it's weird that you don't think he's a troll. Which he is. Obviously.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

What's particularly interesting is watching the McCainiacs go bonkers as we uncover more and more McCain scandal landmines.

Sir Roderick Glossop: Oh well, live and learn. I was just trying to do my civic duty...

Next time don't put it in 34 point type, and they might go easier on you.

Anyway: While I believe that McCain honestly wanted, at some point, to enact strict finance reform, I no longer believe he does. I have no clue what his motivations are at the present moment; I have no idea how sincerely he thinks he's the right man for the job, or whether he just wants to succeed Bush, shred his legacy, and be known as the better president.

Or perhaps he really is taking one for the team, for some vague, unspecified reward. I have no clue.

But whatever his motivations are, he's fully embraced the mainstream GOP machine, and that machine is driven, mechanized, and supported by lobbyists.

Weaver95: But given how deeply in debt the leadership is to the fundies and the more corrupt business folks, I doubt things will work out anywhere near to what the fiscals want to see happen.

Then what is the option? There needs to be a re-alignment of ideology in the parties just like there was in the early to mid 1960's, when the parties started ignoring the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" theory. The "Southern Democrats" became Republicans, and the liberal Republicans became Democrats.

KaponoFor3: Weaver95: McCain was their best, last option. that tells you just how much trouble the Republicans are in this year....

Speaking from a conservative POV, maybe losing this election is a good thing and will cause the GOP to re-examine the platform and the party. I long for the day when they decide to tell the social conservatives to GTFO and decide to become the party of laissez-faire social policies and economic conservatism.

speaking of splitting the conservative vote, I heard a rumor coming out of the Georgia Obama office that there's talk of running Barr-leaning supporters out into McCain areas, even perhaps running a TV spot lauding Barr's commitment to the Constitution and "vitality of political landscape" in an effort to divide the conservative vote. Let me see if I can find the memo they were talking about

Weaver95: I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I never understood what that phrase means. If you need to believe he's not a troll for some reason, I can't help you.

What's particularly interesting is watching the McCainiacs go bonkers as we uncover more and more McCain scandal landmines.

Name a McCaniac. Aside from this obvious troll. Name a conservative on this site who is actually, honestly, pro-McCain. Not someone who's account was started during this election.

Sir Roderick Glossop: Weaver95: um...don't do that by the way. apparently it really annoys the moderators.

I'll bet it does. In fairness to them, I didn't get a time out. I just had to endure the public shaming of having my post deleted with the phrase "trolling other users..."

Oh well, live and learn. I was just trying to do my civic duty...

I'm sorry, but my irony-meter just exploded.

Obdicut: Anyway: While I believe that McCain honestly wanted, at some point, to enact strict finance reform, I no longer believe he does..

George Will would agree with you. He thinks McCain is a sanctimonious self-styled "reformer" who climbs up on his ethical high-horse to compensate for his own less-than-perfect record...

I think McCain deserves to shred Bush's legacy after the dirt that was done to him in SC in 2000, but I don't want him to be president. He's a good guy and as Republicans go, prior to 2000 when he decided to bottom for the fundies for 8 years, I would consider voting for him. But not now.

KaponoFor3: Weaver95: But given how deeply in debt the leadership is to the fundies and the more corrupt business folks, I doubt things will work out anywhere near to what the fiscals want to see happen.

Then what is the option? There needs to be a re-alignment of ideology in the parties just like there was in the early to mid 1960's, when the parties started ignoring the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" theory. The "Southern Democrats" became Republicans, and the liberal Republicans became Democrats.

past a certain point, you have to accept that it's time for one organization to end and form a new organization. At this point, I don't really care WHICH party implodes - but it's becoming very clear to me that one of them has to go. We need to break the logjam in Congress.

Sir Roderick Glossop: I think McCain deserves to shred Bush's legacy after the dirt that was done to him in SC in 2000,

I agree. I'm really shocked that he hasn't done so. If I were McCain, I would jump all over that. Bush is a liability as is, he'd have a much better chance if he came out guns blazing and eviscerated him for his mistakes.

NeverDrunk23: I'm sorry, but my irony-meter just exploded.

?

Someone talking about trolls? My ears were burning.

/grin

Obdicut: Weaver95: I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I never understood what that phrase means.

And that, my young padawan, is why you fail.

KaponoFor3

I long for the day when they decide to tell the social conservatives to GTFO and decide to become the party of laissez-faire social policies and economic conservatism.

I, too, long for that day, because by the time it happens, there'll be flying cars for everyone.

Weaver95: And that, my young padawan, is why you fail.

Sure. Or the phrase is a meaningless one, like "It never rains but it pours".

Care to actually address the challenging part of my post?

Name a McCaniac. Aside from this obvious troll. Name a conservative on this site who is actually, honestly, pro-McCain. Not someone who's account was started during this election.

Weaver95: KaponoFor3: Weaver95: McCain was their best, last option. that tells you just how much trouble the Republicans are in this year....

Short of losing the ENTIRE Senate to the Democrats, I don't think the Republican party can purge the wacko fundies. They lack the will to do so, and the fiscal conservatives don't have a leader. Well, not one they can trust anyways. However, if the disaster is large enough and they lose enough people in Congress then MAYBE something will happen at the top. But given how deeply in debt the leadership is to the fundies and the more corrupt business folks, I doubt things will work out anywhere near to what the fiscals want to see happen.

See... I see this election as actually being quite destructive for the democrats. They've always been the open tent party, but now they've let so many in the tent's falling apart. Even Obama has backed a conservative democrat over a netroots/ change congress democrat to insure party supremacy. In the end, the party is going to have so wide of an ideology that a large voting bloc of them is always going to be up for grabs to the opposition. It's possible that this bloc may even switch to independent in session

Obdicut: Sure. Or the phrase is a meaningless one, like "It never rains but it pours".

*sigh*

That's the sign of a fanatic you know....the inability to concede that viewpoints other than your own have merit...? Anyways, you might want to work on that.

Care to actually address the challenging part of my post?

Name a McCaniac. Aside from this obvious troll. Name a conservative on this site who is actually, honestly, pro-McCain. Not someone who's account was started during this election.

I consider myself lucky to remember even the Total*farkers I see on a semi-regular basis. Hell, I'm lucky if I remember to get to work on time. And you want me to remember account numbers for the billions of people who read the politics forum? um...no thanks.

KaponoFor3: I agree. I'm really shocked that he hasn't done so. If I were McCain, I would jump all over that. Bush is a liability as is, he'd have a much better chance if he came out guns blazing and eviscerated him for his mistakes.

Yeah, that's what I'd do, but he's got to worry about alienating the base. I'd probably take the gamble and lose a few fundies to pick up the independents...

Sir Roderick Glossop: KaponoFor3: I agree. I'm really shocked that he hasn't done so. If I were McCain, I would jump all over that. Bush is a liability as is, he'd have a much better chance if he came out guns blazing and eviscerated him for his mistakes.

Yeah, that's what I'd do, but he's got to worry about alienating the base. I'd probably take the gamble and lose a few fundies to pick up the independents...

I think the independants are going to go with Obama this time around. They're looking at McCain and seeing 'Bush Admin package 2.5' and not liking what they see.

Weaver95: I think the independants are going to go with Obama this time around. They're looking at McCain and seeing 'Bush Admin package 2.5' and not liking what they see.

Agreed.