This is what happens when people lie to pollsters about how they really feel.

Oh, wait, that happens all the time...

It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates, except one instance with Romney (a Mormon who had to face prejudice) and it explains why Obama has no chance at winning in November. There are some who doubt the existence of the BE, but they are going to learn the hard-way in November that it still exists. This is the first time it will show itself in a presidential election. It's a lot easier for it to be drowned out in a state-wide election in which turnout is low.

I forget who said it, but it sure fits here. " There are lies, damnable lies, and statistics."

Wait, there are only 2 races now?

drevil877: Wait, there are only 2 races now?

We live in a Black or White world now. There are no shades of gray beige.

drevil877: Wait, there are only 2 races now?

We only let two races votes' count. It'd be too confusing otherwise.

Suicidal Writer: It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates,

Keep saying your line until you're blue in the face, concern troll.

wimmens and colored people voting...what's next??..Messicans??

Obdicut: Keep saying your line until you're blue in the face, concern troll.

Now I wouldn't discount the so called `Bradley effect' entirely, or even the `Reverse bradley effect'. I think it is a real thing, to some extent but I don't think it's all that significant. Considering that Obama is smoking McCain in the polls like a pack of camels, it would have to be a huge issue to actually matter, but I guess we'll see.

Where I live, in the circles I move in, Sen Obama has two strikes against him: He is a Hahvahd educated intellectual, and he has a Muslim negro dad. McCain, on the other hand is an old fart. I think McCain has it hands down at the Ameican Legion and most of the rest of Floriduh. I would have voted for Ron Paul just for the entertainment value.

How many would be open to an Asian-American President? And if they had Chinese ancestors, you'd not only have cultural stereotypes, but suspicion of divided loyalties, even without a CHIPAC lobby.

I wonder if any of these stalwarts at the American Legion feels in the least bit responsible for the f'd up mess their votes for W put America in.

I'm voting for Bob Barr, so I'm a product of an entirely different form of crazy.

Suicidal Writer: It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates, except one instance with Romney (a Mormon who had to face prejudice) and it explains why Obama has no chance at winning in November. There are some who doubt the existence of the BE, but they are going to learn the hard-way in November that it still exists. This is the first time it will show itself in a presidential election. It's a lot easier for it to be drowned out in a state-wide election in which turnout is low.

I can tell you this. If Obama is up in polls by 10+ points the weeks leading up to the election and then loses, I am locking myself in my House and keeping the lights off.

I'd like to see a Latino female midget stripper run...now THAT would get some votes

Generation_D: I wonder if any of these stalwarts at the American Legion feels in the least bit responsible for the f'd up mess their votes for W put America in.

why? they all think he is still doing a heck of a job

Generation_D: I wonder if any of these stalwarts at the American Legion feels in the least bit responsible for the f'd up mess their votes for W put America in.

how much time did you spend in the military protecting your country's freedom??

two thirds of this comment are 76 percent likely to be half the time completely irrelevant while the rest is strongly indicating a rift between the two sides of the same coin with an overriding majority firmly rooted in not believing any of it at all. Based on this research, mccain will win ohio.

/fun.

Generation_D: I wonder if any of these stalwarts at the American Legion feels in the least bit responsible for the f'd up mess their votes for W put America in.

Yes, yes they do, but they are still glad they didn't vote for Gore.

People are just worried about what will happen when Obama moves into the White House. It will be subtle at first; late night runs to Church's, hoopties parked outside of the gates, but then it get worse. Then you will have graffiti on the walls of the White House, a bunch of Obama's homies will be sitting outside on a couch that is on the White House lawn, and the neighbors will complain from all that "jungle noise" that is blaring through all hours of the night.

/My soon-to-be-wife is black I'm getting a kick yadda-yadda-yadda

I assume that McCain is going to win. I am not happy about it, but I think some people are fooling themselves into thinking otherwise. Even if Obama legitimately wins, I'm sure there will be enough vote tampering to make McCain the winner. I hope I'm wrong.

Why no Italian-American prez? Someone go get Lee Iococca.

plmyfngr: I'd like to see a Latino female midget stripper run...now THAT would get some votes

Only if she had a lazy eye.

JoeBagadonutz: I forget who said it, but it sure fits here. " There are lies, damnable lies, and statistics."

60% of the population believes Mark Twain made that quote. The other 40% think it was Benjamin Disraeli.

I'm voting for RON PAUL because I heard he once killed a grizzly bear with his bare hands.

Obviously 11 out of 10 Americans are bad at math.

eddyatwork: I'm voting for RON PAUL because I heard he once killed a grizzly bear with his bare hands.

I heard he didn't kill it...just roughed it up a bit...

Three out of ten admit prejudice. Prejudice takes many forms, and allows for exceptions.

Nine out of ten are open to the idea of a black president. So, of the three out of ten admittedly prejudiced people, some would consider someone who is a black president to be an exception.

Two thirds are entirely comfortable. The other one-third could be wholeheartedly against, or just have some reservations.

This isn't necessarily inconsistent.

plmyfngr: I'd like to see a Latino female midget stripper run

Female?

The Billdozer:

/My soon-to-be-wife is black I'm getting a kick yadda-yadda-yadda

You're a conservative, tho. Isn't that bit hypocritical?

My dad is one of those old people who means well but still acts like a bigoted asshole quite a bit of the time. He's prone to saying things like, "remarkably articulate for a black person" (yes, he adds the usually unspoken "for a black person" when he says it). He's responded negatively when he's met people I know who are black (either with surprise that his daughter was hanging with darkies, or really over the top with statements that he worries I might be turned out - seriously!)

That said, last weekend he announced that he was voting for Obama because he believes McCain is senile.

So, you see - you can be prejudiced, you can even be an outright bigoted asshole like my dad - but still vote for a black guy because you think the alternative is worse.

The poll question is moot.

Suicidal Writer: It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates, except one instance with Romney (a Mormon who had to face prejudice) and it explains why Obama has no chance at winning in November. There are some who doubt the existence of the BE, but they are going to learn the hard-way in November that it still exists. This is the first time it will show itself in a presidential election. It's a lot easier for it to be drowned out in a state-wide election in which turnout is low.

Oh look, it's the poster boy for the Bradley effect here to "warn" us about a phenomenon that most pollsters don't even think exists anymore.

plmyfngr: I heard he didn't kill it...just roughed it up a bit...

No way. He killed it and then he ate it. RAW.

RAW PAUL!

Hey no one's ever polled me!
oops wait

Edsel: Suicidal Writer: It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates, except one instance with Romney (a Mormon who had to face prejudice) and it explains why Obama has no chance at winning in November. There are some who doubt the existence of the BE, but they are going to learn the hard-way in November that it still exists. This is the first time it will show itself in a presidential election. It's a lot easier for it to be drowned out in a state-wide election in which turnout is low.

Oh look, it's the poster boy for the Bradley effect here to "warn" us about a phenomenon that most pollsters don't even think exists anymore.

There are two things Obama supporters everywhere should be aware of. We're going to be disappointed and hurt by our master Obama, this will make conservatives happy, and it's going to happen the hard way.

We're so gonna get taught a lesson.

I just wish Republicans would keep this kind of talk where it originated, their bedrooms father's woodshed.

clifton: The Billdozer:

/My soon-to-be-wife is black I'm getting a kick yadda-yadda-yadda

You're a conservative, tho. Isn't that bit hypocritical?

I see what you did there, but nah. I'm treated like a conservative by most, but I have quite a few "libertarian" ideas *cough*drugs*cough*, and you would catch me at a Iron Maiden or Slayer concert with about the same frequency you would catch me at a church bake-sale or helping a handicapped guy with a grocery cart. In the words of P.J. O'Rourke, I'm a "Republican Party Reptile".

Beginning to believe Wright went back to the church for HIS portection. After all, murdered Donald Young had told Larry Sinclair (who was jailed immediately at the conclusion of his presentation at the National Press Club on 6/18/08) that BHO and Wright were trying to figure aout what to do about BHO and Young. How many cover-ups and "hit jobs" yet to come? Big Media and the corrupt Dems conspired to remove him from the scene. He's history. Another one bites the dust. Dissent and you're gone, just like in other corrupt totalitarian governments.

OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS LOSING GROUND BY THE DAY. THE BLOGGING WE ARE DOING NOW? ITS DAYS ARE N U M B E R E D.

The "redo" of the Presidential seal by the BHO camp is much more than an over-the-top insult to the integrity of the Presidency. Its no-so-subliminal message to the robotic youth - is the most blatant to date - that he IS indeed the Manchurain candidate AND the damn ANTICHRIST.

Don't you see that the Marxist forces began with baby steps in staking their claim - and the insidious poison haS now infiltrated all strata. NO birth certificate demanded by our INEPT ADMIN, and WHERE THE HELL is PATRICK FITZGERALD? BOUGHT OFF TOO?

I predict violence ahead. But I don't believe it will be the thugs within his ranks that have been so pervasive with their blackmail and extortions of innocent people who will be the ones to lead the major uprising. It will be the PEOPLE who storm the gates, just as in previous historical scenes throughout the world. While BHO says "Let them eat cake," or maybe just "get over it," the groundswell begins to take root in the largest outcry since the Civil War in the 1860's. Disagree?

The REVOLUTION to come will be the result of the complete shutting down of our democracy that is not just occurring as we blog, but has been GOING ON for several months now.

WE ARE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. I TRULY BELIEVE IT IS TIME FOR THE REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND TAKE DRASTIC MEASURES AGAINST THE INJUSTICES THAT ARE A DAILY EVENT. LET'S HAVE A REVOLUTION RIGHT NOW.

START WITH D E M A N D I N G THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

/Your daily dose of stupid, courtesy of Hillaryis44.

The Billdozer: clifton: The Billdozer:

/My soon-to-be-wife is black I'm getting a kick yadda-yadda-yadda

You're a conservative, tho. Isn't that bit hypocritical?

I see what you did there, but nah. I'm treated like a conservative by most, but I have quite a few "libertarian" ideas *cough*drugs*cough*, and you would catch me at a Iron Maiden or Slayer concert with about the same frequency you would catch me at a church bake-sale or helping a handicapped guy with a grocery cart. In the words of P.J. O'Rourke, I'm a "Republican Party Reptile".

You're gettin' soft on me, Mr Dozer!

2/3 are entirely comfortable, so ~66% for. On the other side, 3/10 have racial prejudice, so ~30% against. That' covers 96%, +/- the margin of error if you think that someone with racial prejudice might not be entirely comfortable.

9/10 being "at least open" covers the 66% who are comfortable, and part of the 30% who have some but not a blocking amount of prejudice.

It makes sense to me. Oh, and people lie to pollsters. And the number of people who would normally not vote, but are going to just so they can vote against the negro will probably be outweighed by the number of people who have been pissed off for the last 8 years and will vote just so they can vote against shiatter McCrutch Bush the Third. Bottom line is, there's too much going on here to predict what will actually happen election day, and we have to hope that your candidate's opponent gets caught doing drugs with a latino stripper.

Is a vote for Barry a vote for American Jena-cide?

Liberal Elite: I can tell you this. If Obama is up in polls by 10+ points the weeks leading up to the election and then loses, I am locking myself in my House and keeping the lights off.

I wonder what effect Diebold will play. They could completely get away with what they have been accused of in the past this time with little suspicion and/or a valid paradigm to use as an excuse.

Suicidal Writer: It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates, except one instance with Romney (a Mormon who had to face prejudice) and it explains why Obama has no chance at winning in November. There are some who doubt the existence of the BE, but they are going to learn the hard-way in November that it still exists. This is the first time it will show itself in a presidential election. It's a lot easier for it to be drowned out in a state-wide election in which turnout is low.

Sorry, but the die is cast at this point. There are four choices:

1) Vote for Obama because you agree with him more than McCain.
2) Vote for McCain because you agree with him more than Obama.
3) Vote third-party or not at all, because you don't like either choice and want to make a statement.
4) Vote for McCain, while agreeing more with Obama, because of fear.

The "vote for Hillary because I'm concerned other people won't vote for a black guy" door has been closed.

Save your "I told you so"s till after November, please.

Suicidal Writer,
What you portend could easily happen. People don't want to be put in the spot during a telephone survey. They'll lie their asses off on this one. It's called the conversion behind the curtain. Or reversion to their cultural mean, how's that?

Could be a mess come November and be completely legitimate. Do you understand?

Suicidal Writer: It's what underlies the Bradley Effect, the inaccurate polling for Obama but not Republican candidates, except one instance with Romney (a Mormon who had to face prejudice) and it explains why Obama has no chance at winning in November. There are some who doubt the existence of the BE, but they are going to learn the hard-way in November that it still exists. This is the first time it will show itself in a presidential election. It's a lot easier for it to be drowned out in a state-wide election in which turnout is low.

How much money you want to put on McCain?

Let me explain the difference in the numbers to you: Southern Liberal - brought up racist. Working to get past it, despite being brought up in a culture that hated blacks.

/'sides, Obama's only HALF black.

I guess you do. Nevermind.
/rtfa

The Beacon Man: Lawnchair:

There are four choices:

1) Vote for Obama because you agree with him more than McCain.
2) Vote for McCain because you agree with him more than Obama.
3) Vote third-party or not at all, because you don't like either choice and want to make a statement.
4) Vote for McCain, while agreeing more with Obama, because of fear.


5) Vote for Obama, while agreeing more with McCain, because of white guilt.

Got any data on your imaginary 5th choice? Come on, you left out Mooslim, and Cult of personality, and all the other code words.

"Working to get past it, despite being brought up in a culture that hated blacks."

That's such bullshiat. Hate is two way street. Get real. Jena boys popped that guy, Sierra Leone style, because they got their hate on and they had plenty of people backing em. There isn't affirmative action for hate, mmmkay.

6) Being not particularly thrilled with either candidate, vote against the worse of the two evils.