There's a love poem from the 1830s (in which a young man graphically tells his sweetheart what he'd do if he sneaked into her room on a winter's night)

I want to read this poem...badly.

Ha ha ha! Papenfuse.

Papenfuse.

Papenfuse.

Suicidal Writer: There's a love poem from the 1830s (in which a young man graphically tells his sweetheart what he'd do if he sneaked into her room on a winter's night)

I want to read this poem...badly.

If it is anything like the "historical" romances written about that time, then there will be a lot of references to dewy honeypots and throbbing lances.

/Not that I read any of that smut.

Weirdest initial posts I have ever read here.

Freed who?

FTA:

Washington College has had access to the plantation for years, but Goodheart said he assumed the papers in the attic weren't old or important.

A history professor had access to a 400-year-old plantation and didn't think any papers would be old or important. In his line of work, wouldn't one think he'd at least be a little curious?

Question: what did Lincoln say after he woke up from a three day drinking binge?
Answer: I freed the WHAT ?

alternative suggestions include "who's going to pick the cotton now ?"

Honestly, historians get raging hard-ons just thinking about finding stuff like this. The Oxyrhynchus papyri (not at home with my books to look up the spelling) found in the Egyptian desert is mostly stuff like this but over 2,000 years old. Simialr documents found in the Lybian desert show that the Roman army had "fill in the blanks" form letters.

Just fascinating stuff.

FTA: "Look at this: 'Negro woman, Sarah, about 27 years old, $25,'" Goodheart says, reading from a 19th century inventory. "It was as though this family never threw away a scrap of paper."

This politically correct and sensitive generation can't take such findings... burn it, burn it all.

"Look at this: 'Negro woman, Sarah, about 27 years old, $25,'" Goodheart says, reading from a 19th century inventory. "It was as though this family never threw away a scrap of paper."

I'd buy that for a dollar!

burn it, burn it all.

We can't burn it -- that will contribute to climate change.

Why do you hate the environment?

Interesting indeed!
Add me to the "I want to read that poem" list.

Usually

Tainted1: It's like he's Czarangeles' replacement, just as douchey and considerably more crazy. Unlike Czar, Suicidal is 100% troll, he'll drop a turd in the punchbowl and then run away and not defend his shiatty positions.

It is the people with different positions who make dialogue interesting. If not for people like Mccain democrat all political threads on FARK would be "I love Obama" "me too""me too""me too"

And if not for people like bevets all FARK religion threads would be "I hate God" "me too""me too""me too"

Just wanted to laugh at Suicidal Writer is all. Also wanted to point out this article didn't even use Lincolns name one time, Epic Fail Subby.

Actually, his motivation was he secretly owned stock in the ghetto-blaster industry...



/the more you know

The receipt for the ho expenses, where are they?

Maryland... racists.

Good to know.

What they found was Lincoln's previously unknown "Emancipation Retraction".

waiting4godot: We can't burn it -- that will contribute to climate change.

All right then: shred it, shred it all!

not yet impressed, but interested.

/back on topic, people

kilgorn: The receipt for the ho expenses, where are they?

FTFA: Negro woman, Sarah, about 27 years old, $25

There ya go.

karatekitten13: Suicidal Writer: There's a love poem from the 1830s (in which a young man graphically tells his sweetheart what he'd do if he sneaked into her room on a winter's night)

I want to read this poem...badly.

If it is anything like the "historical" romances written about that time, then there will be a lot of references to dewy honeypots and throbbing lances.

/Not that I read any of that smut.

Or possibly, "my bacon, it haz a flavor".

Chester J. Lampwick:



A history professor had access to a 400-year-old plantation and didn't think any papers would be old or important. In his line of work, wouldn't one think he'd at least be a little curious?

Chester you amaze me. You managed to get professor and work in the same paragraph.

[fappomatic: "my bacon, it haz a flavor".]

That made me LOL. It would make a great t-shirt, or a chorus for a song.

Suicidal Writer: There's a love poem from the 1830s (in which a young man graphically tells his sweetheart what he'd do if he sneaked into her room on a winter's night)

I want to read this poem...badly.

Erect a polling place?

Nocens: every state had legal slavery, not just Maryland. It was a border state and a significant % of it's troops went to fight with the Confederates.

Some states outlawed it just a few years before the Civil War. Lovely liberal New York City had a massive, long-lived and flourishing slave trade. Imagine the hundreds of thousands of slaves processed through that city. And even after outlawing it, you can all be free, except those who visit from slave-states, freedom? no, can't have for you.

Oh and by outlaw, I mean no new ones, the old ones can live on as slaves.


/farking hypocrites

My ancestors had plantations in Maryland, so I'm poring over my genealogy to see if I can get a kick out of these replies.

moondo: FTA: "Look at this: 'Negro woman, Sarah, about 27 years old, $25,'" Goodheart says, reading from a 19th century inventory. "It was as though this family never threw away a scrap of paper."

This politically correct and sensitive generation can't take such findings... burn it, burn it all.

That would be freaking hysterical if not for the fact there's a large and vocal minority percentage on the liberal intelligentsia who would suggest exactly that. I've met them. I hate them.

/Librarian, historian, curator and archivist.

doodler: Nocens: every state had legal slavery, not just Maryland. It was a border state and a significant % of it's troops went to fight with the Confederates.

Not every state:

The newly formed state, which broke away from New York, abolished slavery outright in its constitution, dated July 8, 1777.

The relevant section is Chapter I, subtitled "A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE STATE OF VERMONT"

I. THAT all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and unalienable rights, amongst which are the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. Therefore, no male person, born in this country, or brought from over sea, ought to be holden by law, to serve any person, as a servant, slave or apprentice, after he arrives to the age of twenty-one Years, nor female, in like manner, after she arrives to the age of eighteen years, unless they are bound by their own consent, after they arrive to such age, or bound by law, for the payment of debts, damages, fines, costs, or the like.

eggrolls: That would be freaking hysterical if not for the fact there's a large and vocal minority percentage on the liberal intelligentsia who would suggest exactly that. I've met them. I hate them.

/Librarian, historian, curator and archivist.

History is what we make of it.

Not to be even remotely funny I am getting a kick out of these replies because I grew up in Centreville, Maryland...and that is not always something I admit to in polite conversation.

I want to read that poetry even more than you do to see if something good (besides me of course) ever came out of Centreville.

"Look at this: 'Negro woman, Sarah, about 27 years old, $25,'" Goodheart says, reading from a 19th century inventory.

Wow, that sounds like a good deal. Where can I pick up one of those?

Aulus: Simialr documents found in the Lybian desert show that the Roman army had "fill in the blanks" form letters.

Wow.

I had no idea. :D

That $25 is about $455 in todays money.

This is awesome. American history deteriorates as fast as paper; and the fact this collection exists is a miracle.

kvetch22: doodler: Nocens: every state had legal slavery, not just Maryland. It was a border state and a significant % of it's troops went to fight with the Confederates.

Not every state:

The newly formed state, which broke away from New York, abolished slavery outright in its constitution, dated July 8, 1777.

The relevant section is Chapter I, subtitled "A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE STATE OF VERMONT"

I. THAT all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and unalienable rights, amongst which are the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. Therefore, no male person, born in this country, or brought from over sea, ought to be holden by law, to serve any person, as a servant, slave or apprentice, after he arrives to the age of twenty-one Years, nor female, in like manner, after she arrives to the age of eighteen years, unless they are bound by their own consent, after they arrive to such age, or bound by law, for the payment of debts, damages, fines, costs, or the like.

That brings up and interesting point, namely the "bound by law, for the payment of debts, damages, fines, costs, or the like" exception. I know we know use thieves, rapists, and druggies as slave labor now (Victoria's Secret is one of the leading "employers" of prison inmates)... but I was wondering can you make people indentured servants for failing to pay their mortgage or credit cards? If so, why isn't the practice as wide spread?

Oh fark! The Washingtonians will come for us all for this heresy!
oh, wait, this is about Lincoln? nevermind then.

/obscure?
//you betcha!

"Look at this: 'Negro woman, Sarah, about 27 years old, $25,'" Goodheart says, reading from a 19th century inventory.

Voldemort: Wow, that sounds like a good deal. Where can I pick up one of those?

Does it come in any other colors?

Thanks Fark, you actually made me call my parents who still live in Centreville, MD and tell them our beloved town was in the news.

Well, that and to ask why the jerks never bought me a slave.

/cheapskates, they could have afforded $25 back in the 80s.
//Did big strapping male sex slaves cost more?

Studio Ghibli, Check out The Journal of Roman Studies, Volume 84 (1994) "Latin and Punic in Contact? The Case of the Bu Njem Ostraca" by J.N. Adams, in specific, p. 93. Most university libraries should have it in the stacks or available on line through JSTOR.

Therefore, no male person, born in this country, or brought from over sea, ought to be holden by law, to serve any person, as a servant, slave or apprentice, after he arrives to the age of twenty-one Years, nor female, in like manner, after she arrives to the age of eighteen years, unless they are bound by their own consent

So the kiddies were OK to be slaves, then? Not to mention "bound by their own consent" strikes up all kinds of issues like "this man isn't a slave, he's here by his own consent -- he'd rather be here and fed (but not paid) than on the streets".



And Bainking, you are a dumbass. That movie is still on the "New" section on store shelves.

/obscure?
//not hardly

selinariel:
//Did big strapping male sex slaves cost more?

I'll be in my bunk.

/will feel guilty later

Am I the only one who wondered why a family would not go in to the attic of a house they owned and look around because "you don't go up in people's attics and look around"?

If I ever own a 400 year old plantation you bet your sweet ass I'm going to go look in the attic.

/not at night though
//i've seen horror movies. i know what happens in old attics at night.

SharkTrager: Am I the only one who wondered why a family would not go in to the attic of a house they owned and look around because "you don't go up in people's attics and look around"?

If I ever own a 400 year old plantation you bet your sweet ass I'm going to go look in the attic.

/not at night though
//i've seen horror movies. i know what happens in old attics at night.

I spent hours and hours going through old trunks at one of our family homesteads in northern MN. I have a few things from there, including a first grade reading book written in Swedish, some old letters and pictures. That house only dated from the 1890's, but it was very cool to look through all of that family history. One of the letters I have was written by my great-great-grandfather and was never sent. It was written to his mother in Varmland Sweden. It talked about their first season farming in MN. Their production was 12 bushels of wheat, which they hauled by ox cart for two days to get it to market.

Awesome stuff.