McCain comes off terrible in this article, and it's made all the worse by the fact that Obama knew better.

You know with all the widespread looting thats going on here how could he expect us to pull our police for even a moment to secure him? Whatta ya mean there isn't any looting?

Nevermind.

What is he smiling about?

Is someone about to serve cake?

Hey... McCaininites, what happened to the McCain we used to like?

Benevolent Misanthrope: David Roederer, who chairs McCain's campaign in Iowa, said McCain's trip didn't hamper Iowa's recovery operation. He said McCain proceeded with the visit because the campaign was providing much of its own security.

But not all.

"There was really no state resources diverted," Roederer said.



This is the kind of situation where you try to avoid getting stuck making excuses. That's just amateurish.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: You know with all the widespread looting thats going on here how could he expect us to pull our police for even a moment to secure him? Whatta ya mean there isn't any looting?

Nevermind.

But... but... Katrina?

That's just sad.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: You know with all the widespread looting thats going on here how could he expect us to pull our police for even a moment to secure him? Whatta ya mean there isn't any looting?

Nevermind.

Well, there might have been some ATTEMPTED looting, but they won't find the bodies until the water fully recedes.

Wow, I guess the USA TODAY FAILS.

On the way home from work I was listening to my XM radio when I picked up an interview with the Mayor of Columbus Junction, IA (the very city in this article). He said directly that the McCain campaign staff talked to him personally and asked if it was ok. They told him that they wouldn't come if they would be in the way or cause problems. The Mayor said it was all fine and told them to come.

Note that the Governor or Iowa, Chet Culver, is an extreme idiot and a major Democrat party boy. This smells pretty bad of him trying to stir stuff up that didn't happen.

Bottom line, I heard the interview direct from the mayor of the city McCain visited say clearly that HE told the McCain camp to come and that it was all right and that they specifically told the mayor that they wouldn't come unless it was ok.

Story over. No story, except that Culver is a class A **shole

remus: Wow, I guess the USA TODAY FAILS.

On the way home from work I was listening to my XM radio when I picked up an interview with the Mayor of Columbus Junction, IA (the very city in this article). He said directly that the McCain campaign staff talked to him personally and asked if it was ok. They told him that they wouldn't come if they would be in the way or cause problems. The Mayor said it was all fine and told them to come.

Note that the Governor or Iowa, Chet Culver, is an extreme idiot and a major Democrat party boy. This smells pretty bad of him trying to stir stuff up that didn't happen.

Bottom line, I heard the interview direct from the mayor of the city McCain visited say clearly that HE told the McCain camp to come and that it was all right and that they specifically told the mayor that they wouldn't come unless it was ok.

Story over. No story, except that Culver is a class A **shole

You don't seem the least bit partisan or biased.

Obdicut: You don't seem the least bit partisan or biased.

Culver is a serious idiot.

Other than that, I just hate to see stuff blown up out of proportion like this.

Frankly, I thought that the stupid women in headscarves issue about Obama was idiotic too. The people handling the crowd like that are the lowest ones there and probably thought they were "helping" when they caused the whole thing. I seriously doubt that they were acting on direct orders from Obama.

So, partisan? I hate Culver, but other than that fair is fair. I don't blame Obama for things like that and I actually heard the interview with the Mayor of that city, so I know for a fact that Culver is full of crap when he said they asked McCain not to come.

remus: Culver is a serious idiot.

Other than that, I just hate to see stuff blown up out of proportion like this.

So, what you're saying is all you have is you thinking this guy is "an idiot." In other words, you have nothing. Thanks for playing, though. Show him what he's won!

remus: Bottom line, I heard the interview direct from the mayor of the city McCain visited say clearly that HE told the McCain camp to come and that it was all right and that they specifically told the mayor that they wouldn't come unless it was ok.

cameroncrazy1984: So, what you're saying is all you have is you thinking this guy is "an idiot." In other words, you have nothing. Thanks for playing, though. Show him what he's won!

And you can't read and comprehend at the same time. I assume that walking and chewing gum at the same time vex you?

Please pick up the set of steak knives, the orange juicer, and the potato peeler on your way out as your parting gifts.

GAT_00: I heard the interview direct from the mayor of the city McCain visited say clearly that HE told the McCain camp to come and that it was all right and that they specifically told the mayor that they wouldn't come unless it was ok.

Citation: XM Radio broadcast. Live interview with the Mayor of Grand Junction. About 5:00 EDT.

remus: cameroncrazy1984: So, what you're saying is all you have is you thinking this guy is "an idiot." In other words, you have nothing. Thanks for playing, though. Show him what he's won!

And you can't read and comprehend at the same time. I assume that walking and chewing gum at the same time vex you?

Please pick up the set of steak knives, the orange juicer, and the potato peeler on your way out as your parting gifts.

Yep. Still got nothing except ad hominem, eh?

remus: Citation: XM Radio broadcast. Live interview with the Mayor of Grand Junction. About 5:00 EDT.

You still have a mayor vs. a governor, not to mention this isn't in the news. And I've heard this story of McCain being asked not to come multiple times from multiple sources now.

cameroncrazy1984: Yep. Still got nothing except ad hominem, eh?

Ok, if it make you happy. Ignore the Culver comments.


The mayor of the city said it didn't happen the way the Governor stated in the article in his live interview I heard earlier today.

There, does that statement make you happy? No ad hominem. Just the fact of what I heard directly.

/// and I'm outta here. It's nearly 1am and I have to go.

Yeah, basically the Democratic governor wanted to keep McCain out, so that they could use "McCain doesn't care" as a talking point later.

But McCain knew better and did the right thing.

Remember the "McCain prays/Obama helps" headline on here from an Obamacrat?

When Obama shows up, it's great. But now when McCain shows up.

GAT_00: You still have a mayor vs. a governor, not to mention this isn't in the news. And I've heard this story of McCain being asked not to come multiple times from multiple sources now.

Ok, it took some searching, but here goes with a link:

Read the story, the Mayor says what I related a few paragraphs down. I know it's on foxnews, but the tag line is AP, so it was on the wire. This is the first link I could find; I'm headed to bed.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/20/aide-mccain-ignored-governors-request-to -cancel-iowa-visit/

Suicidal Writer: McCain comes off terrible in this article, and it's made all the worse by the fact that Obama knew better.

Aww, that is sad. You lose.

that is all...

Christ, Fark is so goddamn partisan now that the idiotic democratic fanboys leap on anyone who doesn't verbally blow Obama even by proxy. I'm voting Obama in november most likely, but you guys are the problem with America.

And by you guys, I mean you partisan bastards, and not Democrats specifically before you get your pampers in a bunch.

Wait you guys, it might be his birthday coming up.

McCainDemocrat: When Obama shows up, it's great. But now when McCain shows up.

Obama was calling for help, and actually helping, while the floods were at a high point. McCain shows up after the floodwaters are beginning to recede, as evidenced by NOAA here. Why wasn't McCain trying to help while the floodwaters were rising?

remus: Read the story, the Mayor says what I related a few paragraphs down. I know it's on foxnews, but the tag line is AP, so it was on the wire. This is the first link I could find; I'm headed to bed.

You still have one mayor who is saying it was OK, versus the governor asking him to stay away if he wasn't going to help.

remus: cameroncrazy1984: Yep. Still got nothing except ad hominem, eh?

Ok, if it make you happy. Ignore the Culver comments.


The mayor of the city said it didn't happen the way the Governor stated in the article in his live interview I heard earlier today.

There, does that statement make you happy? No ad hominem. Just the fact of what I heard directly.

/// and I'm outta here. It's nearly 1am and I have to go.



No, what you said was the mayor of some town said come on out, while the farking governor was asking both Obama and Mccain not too.


Governor = !mayor.

In fact Governor > Mayor.

The only reason you seem to be supporting the mayor is exactly what others are pointing out. Partisan politics. Since the governor is an 'idiot' democrat, who gives a fark when he ask people who can't help not to divert the people that can to silly tasks that serve no purpose but to bolster his own ego.

Rethorn: Christ, Fark is so goddamn partisan now that the idiotic democratic fanboys leap on anyone who doesn't verbally blow Obama even by proxy. I'm voting Obama in november most likely, but you guys are the problem with America.

And by you guys, I mean you partisan bastards, and not Democrats specifically before you get your pampers in a bunch.

Are you crying? Really? That is pathetic.

Link (new window)

OK here is the text from FOX News:

David Roederer, who chairs McCain's campaign in Iowa, said McCain's trip didn't hamper Iowa's recovery operation. He said McCain proceeded with the visit because the campaign was providing much of its own security.

"There was really no state resources diverted," Roederer said.

The mayor of Columbus Junction, Dan Wilson, agreed.

"Certainly, Mr. McCain's visit today in no way hindered any relief efforts or any of our efforts on recovery or security or whatever we were working on," Wilson said. He said McCain's staff called him Wednesday night and Thursday to be sure the visit would not cause a problem.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama canceled a scheduled visit to eastern Iowa last week at the request of state officials.

Here is the text form USA TODAY:

David Roederer, who chairs McCain's campaign in Iowa, said McCain's trip didn't hamper Iowa's recovery operation. He said McCain proceeded with the visit because the campaign was providing much of its own security.

"There was really no state resources diverted," Roederer said.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama canceled a scheduled visit to eastern Iowa last week at the request of state officials.

It's the exact same farking article but with the part about McCain's people talking to the Mayor taken out.

Stay classy USA today!

AOL News (new window) backs upt he FOX article.

Bunnyhat: The only reason you seem to be supporting the mayor is exactly what others are pointing out. Partisan politics. Since the governor is an 'idiot' democrat, who gives a fark when he ask people who can't help not to divert the people that can to silly tasks that serve no purpose but to bolster his own ego.

Don't pull a partisan anything our of your ass when the linked article blatantly left out the part favorable to McCain to make Obama look better.

Rethorn

When a Republican president wipes his ass with the Constitution, some of us tend to get a little mad. If you're not mad, you're not paying attention.

We can't afford another Bush. Our country is in trouble. That much is evident.

Don't get mad at us Democrats, we try to be civilized in our discourse, but some people COUGHMCCAINDEMOCRATCOUGH really have no clue whats going on, and we have to lay down our logic a bit more forcefully at times.

Walk it off, and then lets talk about it.

GAT_00: McCain shows up after the floodwaters are beginning to recede

Wait, and it was dangerous for McCain to be there, but it wasn't dangerous for Obama to be there.

Off-topic note: The Swiftboating has begun on Obama (new window)

He's pretty much toast due to the integrity question.

mainstreet62: Walk it off, and then lets talk about it.

The first 15 posts or so are calling remus a liar, and then once he proves McCain's people really did get permission from the mayor it's oh well the Governor > Mayor. While that might be the article blatantly left out pieces from the originally AP story to bias the article against McCain, and calling remus a liar when a quick freaking google search would have gotten everyone up to speed it just wrong.

McCainDemocrat: GAT_00: McCain shows up after the floodwaters are beginning to recede

Wait, and it was dangerous for McCain to be there, but it wasn't dangerous for Obama to be there.

Off-topic note: The Swiftboating has begun on Obama (new window)

He's pretty much toast due to the integrity question.

What? Are you stupid? Wait, never mind.

Gwendolyn: mainstreet62: Walk it off, and then lets talk about it.

The first 15 posts or so are calling remus a liar, and then once he proves McCain's people really did get permission from the mayor it's oh well the Governor > Mayor. While that might be the article blatantly left out pieces from the originally AP story to bias the article against McCain, and calling remus a liar when a quick freaking google search would have gotten everyone up to speed it just wrong.

Remus is a liar, you retard. How surprising is that???Gwendolyn, fake ass troll biatch.

mainstreet62: When a Republican president wipes his ass with the Constitution, some of us tend to get a little mad. If you're not mad, you're not paying attention.

See, heres the thing. It shows just how blinded you are by your own partisanship. When any president wipes his ass with the constitution you should be mad. You should be mad because he wiped his ass with the constitution, but not because he was a Republican. Republican shouldn't even be in that sentence. Republican should not even be on your mind as he does that, because there are both republicans and democrats who are scum. At the federal level, yeah, republicans are far dirtier than democrats, and the local level is far too varied to make any generalization. But that doesn't mean that the D next to your name makes you a saint or innocent, yet Democrats treat other Democrats like they're joined at the hip.

The fact that this needs to be explained shows how well the Republicans and Democrats have divided the sheeple up.

McCainDemocrat

He's pretty much toast due to the integrity question.

FAIL, TROLL

Listen, danlpoon, you really aren't one to talk about integrity when you have multiple personalities.

And that fact that you rely on a weak ass YouTube video that essentially says nothing shows me how desperate you're becoming. It is really amusing, keep it up so that I can smile at least once a day knowing that you're a complete imbecile.

mainstreet62: McCainDemocrat

He's pretty much toast due to the integrity question.

FAIL, TROLL

Listen, danlpoon, you really aren't one to talk about integrity when you have multiple personalities.

And that fact that you rely on a weak ass YouTube video that essentially says nothing shows me how desperate you're becoming. It is really amusing, keep it up so that I can smile at least once a day knowing that you're a complete imbecile.

Oh, don't be so harsh. his multiple personalities are pretty damn cool.

Rethorn: Christ, Fark is so goddamn partisan now...

When hasn't this place been partisan? Go back a couple of years to the first Iraq war threads. If you didn't agree with the president 100% you were called retarded and told to STFU and GTFO. Oh but now the site is partisan cuz people aren't on your side. My apologies.

You haven't proven a thing in regards to multiple accounts.

Also, the Swift Boat Vets are to Kerry as ads like this are to Obama.

They're going at this question from such a great perspective that the Obamacrats will fall into the trap by either

a) screaming racism over a non-racist ad
b) downplaying an ad which builds on previously downplayed but effective e-mails about Obama

You all have a problem on your hands, and you can't do a thing about it since Obama has failed to be straightforward about his history in Indonesia.

Sabyen91: Remus is a liar, you retard. How surprising is that???Gwendolyn, fake ass troll biatch.

Discourse is dead. The internet is a powerful tool that could be used to resurrect discourse from when television killed it, and instead we use it to fling shiat at each other like monkeys.

losterato: Rethorn: Christ, Fark is so goddamn partisan now...

When hasn't this place been partisan? Go back a couple of years to the first Iraq war threads. If you didn't agree with the president 100% you were called retarded and told to STFU and GTFO. Oh but now the site is partisan cuz people aren't on your side. My apologies.

I don't have a side you farking moron. Thats my goddamn point. There should be no sides. We're all farking Americans, why the fark do you mouth breathing morons insist on dividing yourselves up and picking fights amongst each other instead of actually discussing problems or having any reasonable discourse?

Rethorn: Sabyen91: Remus is a liar, you retard. How surprising is that???Gwendolyn, fake ass troll biatch.

Discourse is dead. The internet is a powerful tool that could be used to resurrect discourse from when television killed it, and instead we use it to fling shiat at each other like monkeys.

I don't care, much...

Off-topic note: The Swiftboating has begun on Obama (new window)

Oh, the true stories about his shortcomings and dishonesties have started getting press, and the Democrats are pretending they're false? Again?

The "Obama was never Muslim" line, for example, was false, and when called on it, the lefties started screaming "Swiftboat," even though it was, technically, true. The Obama campaign could have avoided the whole problem by admitting that he was born and (at least a little bit) raised with some Muslim religious training, but instead went with the simple (but false) line. This way, it left the door open for faked-up stories by the crazies.

It's "Christmas in Cambodia" time again. I'm sure it was "seared, seared" in Obama's memory...


You need to remember that the actual Swiftboat claims were either true, or never actually proven false by the Kerry campaign. Like "Christmas in Cambodia" (a Kerry story that he'd been using for years, but which was absolutely, completely, stupidly made up)...

The biggest issue (Kerry's records, which he promised to release) never saw any sort of resolution at all (after several promises, the records? Still secret, except for some very trivial stuff that didn't bear on his real claims).

McCainDemocrat: Wait, and it was dangerous for McCain to be there, but it wasn't dangerous for Obama to be there.

Never said that, but it was nice of you to completely change what I said to try to make Obama look bad, but you are just making stuff up now. I never said it was more or less dangerous for either, I said that McCain didn't show up until after the flood peaks, and he still isn't trying to help.

McCainDemocrat: Off-topic note: The Swiftboating has begun on Obama (new window)

Are you ever on topic? Oh, but nice of you to condone out and out lying about a person. We already knew that, considering that you aren't a Democrat, and you are an alt.

McCainDemocrat: He's pretty much toast due to the integrity question.

Obama does not have integrity issues, he has one issue of publicly changing his mind. McCain has endless issues with this, from when he started blowing the president.

Any more bullshiat for me to blow to pieces for you and make McCain look bad for?

Rethorn

I agree with you that any president (or senators/representatives/cabinet members etc) that does that should be held accountable. I should have just said Bush, and left out the Republican part of it. Fair enough.

Rethorn: losterato: Rethorn: Christ, Fark is so goddamn partisan now...

When hasn't this place been partisan? Go back a couple of years to the first Iraq war threads. If you didn't agree with the president 100% you were called retarded and told to STFU and GTFO. Oh but now the site is partisan cuz people aren't on your side. My apologies.

I don't have a side you farking moron. Thats my goddamn point. There should be no sides. We're all farking Americans, why the fark do you mouth breathing morons insist on dividing yourselves up and picking fights amongst each other instead of actually discussing problems or having any reasonable discourse?

You don't have a side. That is cute. You are special...very special.

cirby: Off-topic note: The Swiftboating has begun on Obama (new window)

Oh, the true stories about his shortcomings and dishonesties have started getting press, and the Democrats are pretending they're false? Again?

The "Obama was never Muslim" line, for example, was false, and when called on it, the lefties started screaming "Swiftboat," even though it was, technically, true. The Obama campaign could have avoided the whole problem by admitting that he was born and (at least a little bit) raised with some Muslim religious training, but instead went with the simple (but false) line. This way, it left the door open for faked-up stories by the crazies.

It's "Christmas in Cambodia" time again. I'm sure it was "seared, seared" in Obama's memory...


You need to remember that the actual Swiftboat claims were either true, or never actually proven false by the Kerry campaign. Like "Christmas in Cambodia" (a Kerry story that he'd been using for years, but which was absolutely, completely, stupidly made up)...

The biggest issue (Kerry's records, which he promised to release) never saw any sort of resolution at all (after several promises, the records? Still secret, except for some very trivial stuff that didn't bear on his real claims).

You are farking retarded. Surprised?

Sabyen91: Remus is a liar, you retard. How surprising is that???Gwendolyn, fake ass troll biatch.

That was my master plan all along. Back in 2003 I knew that this guy in the Illnois State Senate would go on to win the Democratic nomination for President one day. So I made my Fark account. Biding my time in boobie and anime threads I patiently waited until that one day when Obama would finally capture the nomination and I could active myself as a Freeper Agent.

Now you caught me I'm going to have to go back to Freeperland and admit my failure. I hope the punishment isn't 20 minutes in the closet with Cheney again.

Wait, shouldn't we be talking about important things like Policies instead of focusing on silly stuff like Flag Pins and trying to make McCain look bad when he obviously covered his bases by getting permission from the City he appeared at?

/No leftward tilt to the media
//No Bias here, please move along.

mainstreet62: I agree with you that any president (or senators/representatives/cabinet members etc) that does that should be held accountable. I should have just said Bush, and left out the Republican part of it. Fair enough.

Its frustrating because I live in Michigan (Two D Senators, D Governer, has gone Democratic since Reagan left office IIRC), in a district that has been democratic for years and years, and am liberal in my ideas. But the second I suggest people stop bickering about party affiliation and start actually working, everyone gets their panties in a bunch.

I wish that the "lol internet" clause applies, but thats how it happens in face-to-face conversations too. There are so many things wrong with this country right now, yet people like Sabyen think politics and government is a game where they pick a side and show how cool they are by throwing out personal insults.

We deserve the government we get when we act like this.