Some cases it's playing songs they wrote themselves.

Why is 'Act Like A Total Douche/Dumb Whore' not on the list?

every "musician" pictured there is absolute crap.

Spot on.

/sends to friends

"America's back and we're feeling patriotter..."

11. Broken-up bands hinting (threatening) reunions once a year, then never following through.

12. Bands that DO reunite, release terrible half-assed album (i.e. Jane's Addiction, Eagles)

13. Putting out environmentally friendly or "creative" CD packaging that won't fit on a standard CD rack.

14. New artists who develop diva mentality WAY too early in career (Kanye West)--fans will tolerate certain amount of ego/dickwadness in bands they've come to know and love.

FelineMommy27: Why is 'Act Like A Total Douche/Dumb Whore' not on the list?


It was the last one, "Be Metallica."



/ canadian spelling, i guess

Flip off your fans; make 'em cheer!

/Obscure?

"Becoming Wussies
Can I just ask what the hell happened to Aerosmith? I mean, Dream On, Sweet Emotion, Same Old Song and Dance...genius. Then we get Don't Want to Miss a Thing. What the hell is up with that? Listen - experiment with your sound, do what you got to do to mix it up a little, but don't become complete and utter wussies. How might you know if you've become wussies? When your biggest fan base switches to soccer moms and wedding singers, you just know that something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. At that point, fix the situation as it's become embarrassing for us to watch.

See also: Bon Jovi, Rob Thomas"

It's pretty much a by-product of sobering up and stopping the drugs. There's not as much anger or high drama. Metallica is a prime example. The fire's gone out and there's nothing left but smoke. I do like Aerosmith's "Jaded."

boxster: Flip off your fans; make 'em cheer!

/Obscure?

Try to look sincere

Rock Concert Movement #243: Pissing off your fans

Here's one that pisses me off to no end, seen it happen a few times in the past couple years:

Release a new CD, then 4-6 months later, re-release it with bonus DVD and added tracks.

6. Becoming Wussies

Ways list writers piss off their readers

1. Pussying out and using "wussy" instead of "pussy"

boxster: Flip off your fans; make 'em cheer!

/Obscure?

Try to look sincere.

How about "Making a shiat-ton of money yet continue to release albums about how difficult and emotionally draining your life is"? I call it "Being Linkin Park".

Treating the concert as your personal soapbox.

Just play the hits, asshole. Nothing else about you is interesting.

See: Bruce Springsteen and John Cougar Tiger Bear Mellencamp

Be Metallica Radiohead.

/oh wait, that's how to annoy me
//a vote for me is a vote for, for, uh...

theFword: Here's one that pisses me off to no end, seen it happen a few times in the past couple years:

Release a new CD, then 4-6 months later, re-release it with bonus DVD and added tracks.

This! A thousand times over, this! If the record companies want us to keep buying their product instead of just downloading it for free from any one of a thousand sites then they should not pull crap like this on their fans. I've got an extensive CD collection (3000+). I love CDs, I love the packaging and the liner-notes and the photos and everything, but even I have stopped buying so many because I'm afraid I'm going to just get ripped off in the end when they put out the "Super Duper Special Edition" with more songs and outtakes and demos and all that superfluous crap that fanboys like me go crazy for. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on music only to have to fork out more just a few months later for the better version of the same shiate I've already purchased? No thank you and go fark yourselves right out of business, you greedy manipulative labels. You're screwing your bands, and worse, you're screwing their fans.

/considers bitTorrent to be the modern day Robin Hood
//stealing from the thieves

Pissing off your fans, bad.
Pissing on your fans, worse, but more memorable.

Can I just ask what the hell happened to Aerosmith? I mean, Dream On, Sweet Emotion, Same Old Song and Dance...genius. Then we get Don't Want to Miss a Thing. What the hell is up with that? Listen - experiment with your sound, do what you got to do to mix it up a little, but don't become complete and utter wussies. How might you know if you've become wussies? When your biggest fan base switches to soccer moms and wedding singers, you just know that something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. At that point, fix the situation as it's become embarrassing for us to watch.

That was a song written for Aerosmith by Diane Warren specifically for the movie Armageddon.

Crude: Bruce Springsteen

You're not actually a Springsteen fan, are you?

This is about pissing off the fans, not pissing off some random douchebag who only knows "Born in the USA" and "Hungry Heart" and nothing else about the musician. Springsteen's very good at not pissing off his fans.

/wish he'd charge a little less for tickets, though

11. Be Morrissey

God i want to punch him so hard in the face. good thing is, when he annoys his fans, they respond with pork based foods!

Experimenting with jazz. Nobody wants to hear that.

Having children and writing songs about how great it is. I'm looking at you, Kate Bush.

JamMasterJamie: theFword: Here's one that pisses me off to no end, seen it happen a few times in the past couple years:

Release a new CD, then 4-6 months later, re-release it with bonus DVD and added tracks.

This! A thousand times over, this! If the record companies want us to keep buying their product instead of just downloading it for free from any one of a thousand sites then they should not pull crap like this on their fans. I've got an extensive CD collection (3000+). I love CDs, I love the packaging and the liner-notes and the photos and everything, but even I have stopped buying so many because I'm afraid I'm going to just get ripped off in the end when they put out the "Super Duper Special Edition" with more songs and outtakes and demos and all that superfluous crap that fanboys like me go crazy for. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on music only to have to fork out more just a few months later for the better version of the same shiate I've already purchased? No thank you and go fark yourselves right out of business, you greedy manipulative labels. You're screwing your bands, and worse, you're screwing their fans.

/considers bitTorrent to be the modern day Robin Hood
//stealing from the thieves

And I'll second just about everything you're saying here. I'd also add releasing a greatest hits album with 1-4 new songs so that even if you have all an artist's albums you're still tempted to pick it up. As a corollary to that, I'd also throw in artists that release several greatest hits albums with only slight variations in content, esp. when they're released within only a few years of each other.

/Also, massive kudos for promoting Underworld in your profile. Quite possibly the best book written in my lifetime.

I think it's funny how people are pissed off at Metallica for something that wasn't really their fault to begin with.

First off, while they were recording 'I Disappear' for that Mission Impossible 2 movie, someone broke into their studio and stole the master and of course what would you do with it? Put it on Napster. The only reason Metallica got involved in that was because some 'tard stole the song before it was even 'released'.

That's why Metallica was pissed off.

Though it was a bad PR move going after fans like that.

/Keep Lars on a collar

Rev. Skarekroe: Having children and writing songs about how great it is. I'm looking at you, Kate Bush.

Beautiful Boy by John Lennon disagrees.

10 Things Musicians Do That Their "Fans" Need To Get Over.

The Dixie Chicks didn't lose any real fans, for starters.

Fraggler: Beautiful Boy by John Lennon disagrees.

Ugh.
I stand by my original statement.

Wow, so MuchMusic has now moved into the "10 things that..." type of lists fad. Is it just me, or is everyone doing that these days? Don't get me wrong, I love them. Either way, in a ridiculous bid to stay relevant, MuchMusic fails big time. Not that they were ever too big to begin with. What with stupid ass programming and absolutely moronic VJ's. Hey MuchMusic, here's an out-of-leftfield type of idea, how about hiring VJ's with... get this... broadcast experience??? Get it?? It'll be like your VJ's are... what's the word... trained to do their job. Not just a bunch of Hollywood wannabes trying too hard to relate.


Except Matte Babel... he's cool... except the way he spells his name is retarded.

Artists not mentioned and have pissed their fans off:

Weezer - after Matt Sharp left and the band reformed from a 5-year haitus, Rivers came back with an under-thirty minute cd of unimpressive, flat rock. He looks and sounds BORED all the time now.

Liz Phair - now sings songs written by the same people who write for Avril Lavigne.

Smashing Pumpkins - last album had special tracks, which you could only get from Itunes, Best Buy or Target.

Guns n' Roses - there's a billion reasons. Why weren't they mentioned?

I completely disagree with number 2. My favorite bands have so many songs I like, that I wouldn't want to see them play the same songs. Most of the people who want to see the bands play the same old songs usually aren't real fans, but then again the example used is Mandonna so I can't imagine how godawful her album tracks are.

Biggest reason of all: go and die young on us

Rev. Skarekroe: Fraggler: Beautiful Boy by John Lennon disagrees.

Ugh.
I stand by my original statement.

Lou Reed-Beginning of a Great Adventure (from New York album)

Refusing to "revisit the past", except for the years you made money.

"Is pissing ON your fans cool?"

I was expecting the Axl Rose Special: Let your fans wait several hours before you go on stage.

"Becoming Wussies
...See also: Bon Jovi, Rob Thomas"

Bon Jovi & Rob Thomas are, always have been and always will be "wussies."

they left off a big one IMHO: playing the same songs everytime you come to a certain town/venue. I am going to see moe. tomorrow, and EVERY farking time I see them, they play "Timmy Tucker". Must be something about Atlanta that brings it out in them. Please play something else for those twenty minutes...PLEASE!!!!!

/mexico would be a nice change
//even spine of a dog
///hell, anything BUT TT
////I like slashies

lithappens:I was expecting the Axl Rose Special: Let your fans wait several hours before you go on stage.

and then after they wait hours; you show up, get in a fight, then leave

The thing that pisses me off the most is the long delays between albums for most artists these days. Some notable exceptions amongst artists I like being, Of Montreal (9 albums since '97), Jack White (8 albums since '99), and They Might Be Giants (6 albums since '01). I'll never understand why bands would take so much time off during really creative periods, then only managing 2 or 3 releases during what is probably their peak. Bands in the 60's and 70's were releasing albums pretty much every year (or twice) and touring all the time, which is probably why they stayed in a groove and released so many albums considered the greatest of all time.

I think the best example of cramming an entire careers worth of classic material into a short period of time is The Beatles. From 'A Hard Days Night' in 1964 (the real beginning of their classic period), to 1969, they recored 9 more albums, pretty much all of which are amongst the best all-time (in 5 years!).

If there was a band around today that good releasing an album like Rubber Soul in December, and then following it up the next August with Revolver, then Sgt. Pepper less than a year after that, and Magical Mystery Tour and the White album within the next 15 months, I wouldn't know what to do with myself. In that same amount of time you're lucky to get more than 1 Radiohead release. And while it will probably be good, you end up having to wait another 3 years until a new one.

Passive Aggressive Larry:
I think the best example of cramming an entire careers worth of classic material into a short period of time is The Beatles. From 'A Hard Days Night' in 1964 (the real beginning of their classic period), to 1969, they recored 9 more albums, pretty much all of which are amongst the best all-time (in 5 years!).


To be fair, they stopped touring late summer of '66.

KingKauff: I am going to see moe. tomorrow

I already have the problem identified.

lithappens: I was expecting the Axl Rose Special: Let your fans wait several hours before you go on stage.

Yeah. Metallica's And Justice For All played all the way through and halfway through again before they showed up on a show on the Illusion tour that I saw. Axl acted like he was doing us a big favor by finally showing up. They had the St Louis riot a few days later.

Metallica

I don't blame them or anyone for being pissed that some people leech their music and don't give anything back. The way that Metallica had already changed their music already had many of their fans pissed off way before Napster existed.

Refusing to Play Old Hits

Also, playing medleys and different arrangements of said hits. The Police are guilty. WTF wants to hear The Police jam? Play Roxanne like I know it damn it.

Standard Set Lists. It's lazy and boring. Some of us like to see a band multiple times on a tour, and it sucks when they play the exact songs in the exact same order every night. Bands like Drive-By Truckers make up the set list as they go along, and as such, never play the same show twice.

this list would be infinitely better if it wasn't mostly comprised of artists far, far outside of muchmusic's target audience. do 11 years olds even know who aerosmith and streisand are?

Passive Aggressive Larry: If there was a band around today that good releasing an album like Rubber Soul in December, and then following it up the next August with Revolver, then Sgt. Pepper less than a year after that, and Magical Mystery Tour and the White album within the next 15 months, I wouldn't know what to do with myself. In that same amount of time you're lucky to get more than 1 Radiohead release. And while it will probably be good, you end up having to wait another 3 years until a new one.

That's a goddamn good point right there. Well said.

heres the best one that applies to 99% of every rock band:

NEVER performing remotely as good as the record. since rock bands rarely deviate significantly from the record anyway at live shows(which is lame enough in itself), they should at least be able to play as good as the record. this is almost never the case. this is also why i only see nonrock live performances. you people are going to list a bunch of examples proving me wrong, that wont.

1%? fantomas

Creedence Clearwater Revival released Bayou Country (Born on the Bayou, Proud Mary), Green River (Green River, Bad Moon Rising, Lodi) and Willy and the Poor Boys (Down on the Corner, Fortunate Son) all in 1969. All after they had released their first record in the summer of '68.

I remember seeing Neil Young say that his record company complained in the 70's about him releasing new records too fast, because they "didn't have enough time to work them".

So, you can blame the record companies for changing what used to be the standard release environment. Granted, everyone isn't like the Beatles, Creedence and Neil Young.

The not playing your "old hits" is big but then you get the stunt people like Prince, The Stones and Clapton have pulled where they play a "medley" of their old favorites.

Fans want to hear the old stuff. The concert is where I pay to hear you play so you'd best cater to my interests. If you want to pay me to listen then you can pummel my ears with whatever new stuff you want.