There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

yeah he sure was. just like Cheney. And Bush was too pussy to go to Vietnam so he had daddy fix it so he could campaign for him in Alabama on the taxpayer's dime

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

Awful lot of "pussies" in the Republican party. I'm sure you voted for most of them.

Edsel: Awful lot of "pussies" in the Republican party. I'm sure you voted for most of them.

Let's be honest. This country is full of pussies that didn't or aren't going to serve. Which is why it's going to shiat.

See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fark all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want us to shiat all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get farked by dicks. But dicks also fark assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't fark the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shiat!

sepuku2: Edsel: Awful lot of "pussies" in the Republican party. I'm sure you voted for most of them.

Let's be honest. This country is full of pussies that didn't or aren't going to serve. Which is why it's going to shiat.

"Honest"? I think that's bullshiat. Not wanting to serve in the military has nothing to do with being a "pussy". We're not going to shiat because people don't want to serve in the military.

Edsel: "Honest"? I think that's bullshiat. Not wanting to serve in the military has nothing to do with being a "pussy". We're not going to shiat because people don't want to serve in the military.


disagrees

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

I'd read that as comedy, and was going to congratulate you on a nice troll, but then I read what little information you had in your profile, and realize that you were probably serious, and that makes me sad.

Hobodeluxe: yeah he sure was. just like Cheney. And Bush was too pussy to go to Vietnam so he had daddy fix it so he could campaign for him in Alabama on the taxpayer's dime

Right, but the thing is- they're not running for election, a decorated war veteran is. Nice strawman, though.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Hobodeluxe: yeah he sure was. just like Cheney. And Bush was too pussy to go to Vietnam so he had daddy fix it so he could campaign for him in Alabama on the taxpayer's dime

Right, but the thing is- they're not running for election, a decorated war veteran is. Nice strawman, though.

you do realize the scenario that introduced the term "swiftboating" were those two men running against a decorated war veteran... right?

/hurrrrr

burndtdan: you do realize the scenario that introduced the term "swiftboating" were those two men running against a decorated war veteran... right?

/hurrrrr

HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

/Obama has served his country in other ways, for sure. Still, I bet a lot of people (read: old vets) will weigh millitary service as a factor for voting. And we know how old people vote. In the millions. They love those stickers

I agree with the premise. McCain's campaign has been more reactive than proactive (though they've had a few proactive moments).

I don't mean this snarkily (???), but it's an interesting case of role reversal between the parties. The Democrats are unifying and the Republicans are becoming the "big tent."

Tacoby Bellisbury: burndtdan: you do realize the scenario that introduced the term "swiftboating" were those two men running against a decorated war veteran... right?

/hurrrrr

HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

/Obama has served his country in other ways, for sure. Still, I bet a lot of people (read: old vets) will weigh millitary service as a factor for voting. And we know how old people vote. In the millions. They love those stickers

jesus you're dense.

i wasn't speaking about obama or mccain. i was discussing your defense of bush and cheney re: swiftboating and how discussion of them wasn't applicable because they aren't running, and that a war veteran is involved this time.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Right, but the thing is- they're not running for election, a decorated war veteran is. Nice strawman, though.

Strawman? Learn to read. He's responding to the charge by our resident troll that Obama was too much of a "pussy" to serve in the military. It's right effing there.

kronicfeld: Strawman? Learn to read. He's responding to the charge by our resident troll that Obama was too much of a "pussy" to serve in the military. It's right effing there.

And I was pointing out the flawed logic in comparing him to someone who is not running, instead of the current candidate.

burndtdan: jesus you're dense.

i wasn't speaking about obama or mccain. i was discussing your defense of bush and cheney re: swiftboating and how discussion of them wasn't applicable because they aren't running, and that a war veteran is involved this time.


Not a defence of Bush & Cheney, I don't support them, did not vote for them. Merely stating that it would be more relevant to compare him to his opponent instead of two guys leaving office


HURRRRRRRRRR

Edsel: ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

Awful lot of "pussies" in the Republican party government. I'm sure you someone voted for most of them.

FTFY

/obvious

Tacoby Bellisbury: Not a defence of Bush & Cheney, I don't support them, did not vote for them. Merely stating that it would be more relevant to compare him to his opponent instead of two guys leaving office

except his party, and him especially, do not have the history of such attack ads. and TFA wasn't about him or his party. there is absolutely no basis to compare him to anything swiftboat related.

so not only is your argument stupid in that it tries to white wash bush and cheney, but it is unfounded in trying to turn the point of TFA around on the candidate for which it has no basis.

good job.

burndtdan: except his party, and him especially, do not have the history of such attack ads. and TFA wasn't about him or his party. there is absolutely no basis to compare him to anything swiftboat related.

so not only is your argument stupid in that it tries to white wash bush and cheney, but it is unfounded in trying to turn the point of TFA around on the candidate for which it has no basis.

??? From TFA

And a handful of well-funded Democratic third-party groups had already spent tens of millions of dollars at that point hammering Bush and the GOP.

Did you even bother to read it?

/no, no you didnt

I personally am appalled by the way that Senator Obama had his parents purposely wait until the Vietnam war was almost over before giving birth to him.

Coward.

what_now: I personally am appalled by the way that Senator Obama had his parents purposely wait until the Vietnam war was almost over before giving birth to him.

Coward.

LOL

/could have enlisted and served in the Gulf War

/I didn't

//respect those who did

Tacoby Bellisbury: LOL

/could have enlisted and served in the Gulf War

/I didn't

//respect those who did

Yeah, but that doesn't automatically make them leaders. My boyfriend's a veteran. I wouldn't want him ANYWHERE near power, because he would make bad driving a capital crime, and would probably punch any pundit who asked him if he "loved 'Merica" enough.

Military service is no longer an indicator of leadership, because we haven't gone though a period where EVERYBODY fights in a war, ala WW2.

what_now: I personally am appalled by the way that Senator Obama had his parents purposely wait until the Vietnam war was almost over before giving birth to him.

Coward.

But they did manage to pop him out in time to mastermind Ayers' operation by age 8.

what_now: he would make bad driving a capital crime, and would probably punch any pundit who asked him if he "loved 'Merica" enough.

That's change I can believe in.

Obama/whatnow's boyfriend 08

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

And do what, exactly? Learn to fix diesel engines?

There military didn't offer much "action" between Vietnam and Gulf War I.

Tastes Like Chicken: what_now: he would make bad driving a capital crime, and would probably punch any pundit who asked him if he "loved 'Merica" enough.

That's change I can believe in.

Obama/whatnow's boyfriend 08

Giggle. He's not old enough. Plus, his language is a little too..ah..colorful. I don't think we need a NSFW Veep.

Tacoby Bellisbury: And a handful of well-funded Democratic third-party groups had already spent tens of millions of dollars at that point hammering Bush and the GOP.

which isn't the same as a swiftboat ad. see, the term has a specific meaning. and i don't think you understand what it is.

what_now: Yeah, but that doesn't automatically make them leaders. My boyfriend's a veteran. I wouldn't want him ANYWHERE near power, because he would make bad driving a capital crime, and would probably punch any pundit who asked him if he "loved 'Merica" enough.

Military service is no longer an indicator of leadership, because we haven't gone though a period where EVERYBODY fights in a war, ala WW2.

Good point. And no, I'm not voting on millitary service, but you can bet a lot of people are

Geez, there are a lot of boys in this thread who feel a strong antipathy to pussy.

Sorry to hear about your complex relationships with your mamas. Therapy might help.



BOO!!!

(Georgia O'Keeffe, Red Canna, 1923)

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

You mean pussy, like people who drop the Weeners in to set the tone/distraction then disappear? People who are afraid to defend their opinions? Pussies like that?

burndtdan: which isn't the same as a swiftboat ad. see, the term has a specific meaning. and i don't think you understand what it is.

I don't think you have a leg to stand on

sepuku2: Edsel: Awful lot of "pussies" in the Republican party. I'm sure you voted for most of them.

Let's be honest. This country is full of pussies that didn't or aren't going to serve. Which is why it's going to shiat.

Hey, if the War Hero John McCain was running for president, I'd
vote for him in a second.

Unforunately, we're getting the "Screw my principles, I'll cozy up
to the forces that have taken this country into the septic tank
for the past 8 years because I'm desperate to get elected" John
McCain.

Service is admirable and should be encouraged, but it isn't the
lifetime pass that many people seem to think it should be.

/Johnnie Rico in '08? I don't think so

Tacoby Bellisbury: Military service is no longer an indicator of leadership, because we haven't gone though a period where EVERYBODY fights in a war, ala WW2.

Good point. And no, I'm not voting on millitary service, but you can bet a lot of people are

Would you say you're concerned that a lot of people vote based on military service? Not YOU, of course. But other people.

You mean "swiftboated" as in, bring legitimate objections? If Obama loses, he can claim he was "raceboated."

what_now: Giggle. He's not old enough. Plus, his language is a little too..ah..colorful. I don't think we need a NSFW Veep.

What do you call the current Veep?? Family friendly??

GoRedSoxGo: what_now: Giggle. He's not old enough. Plus, his language is a little too..ah..colorful. I don't think we need a NSFW Veep.

What do you call the current Veep?? Family friendly??

Yah..good point. I should have remembered that!

Tacoby Bellisbury: /Obama has served his country in other ways, for sure.


BWHAHAHAHA!!!

DjangoStonereaver: Hey, if the War Hero John McCain was running for president, I'd
vote for him in a second.

Unforunately, we're getting the "Screw my principles, I'll cozy up
to the forces that have taken this country into the septic tank
for the past 8 years because I'm desperate to get elected" John
McCain.

Service is admirable and should be encouraged, but it isn't the
lifetime pass that many people seem to think it should be.

/Johnnie Rico in '08? I don't think so

Let me change my statement to:

Let's be honest. This country is full of pussies that didn't or aren't going to serve. Which is why one of the many reasons it's going to shiat.

Tacoby Bellisbury:
Good point. And no, I'm not voting on millitary service, but you can bet a lot of people are

That would explain why McCain lags behind in the polls.

Or why Kerry won the last election. Oh wait...

Well even though TFA says no 527's are interested in running attack ads, they may be wrong. Not enough time has passed from when Obama had the Dem nomination sewn up till present day. People knew Kerry was the Democrat nominee for a while, because Dean screamed his ass out pretty early in the game.

5 months left, like the article indicates means nothing. I'd imagine 3 months left in the race all hell will burst open, and some of the ugliest things any human is capable of, will come out.

/I hope I am wrong.

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

Until having served in the military is a requirement for running for president you can STFU.

/ex-military
//GOBAMA!!

I'll believe it when I see it.

ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

GOP 1992- 2000: Clinton is a pot smoking national guardsman who pulled strings to avoid military service!!! This is terrible, he can't be president.

GOP 2001 - 2007: There are many ways to serve your country including service in the national guard, lack of real military experience is irrelevant. And don't ask about past drug use, that's too personal.

GOP 2008: Past drug use is bad again!! He didn't serve in the military!!! He's a pussy!!!

Visit south-side Chicago and start talking about Obama being a pussy.

What, you're not a pussy yourself, are you?

The right wing is too busy wasting money paying people to troll internet forums.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Hobodeluxe: yeah he sure was. just like Cheney. And Bush was too pussy to go to Vietnam so he had daddy fix it so he could campaign for him in Alabama on the taxpayer's dime

Right, but the thing is- they're not running for election, a decorated war veteran is. Nice strawman, though.

A decorated var veteran - oh, you mean like John Kerry, Bob Kerrey and Max Cleland.

I can see how the Republican Party is exactly the example I would use in this case.

Fred Thompson managed to get a deferment out of service during the Vietnam war.

danfrank: ndotseth: There's nothing to Swift Boat. Obama was too much of a pussy to join the service.

GOP 1992- 2000: Clinton is a pot smoking national guardsman who pulled strings to avoid military service!!! This is terrible, he can't be president.

GOP 2001 - 2007: There are many ways to serve your country including service in the national guard, lack of real military experience is irrelevant. And don't ask about past drug use, that's too personal.

GOP 2008: Past drug use is bad again!! He didn't serve in the military!!! He's a pussy!!!

Not to mention in the 2000 Primaries where McCain's POW status was used against him to insinuate he was brainwashed by his captors and would be the Manchurian Candidate.

Random Reality Check: Fred Thompson managed to get a deferment out of service during the Vietnam war.

Yup. Like I said- millitary service isn't a factor for me.

Jubeebee: Would you say you're concerned that a lot of people vote based on military service? Not YOU, of course. But other people.

Not really, people have to base their opinions on something. Better that than a haircut or the candidate's pets, etc

The right wing is no longer motivated or unified enough to organize "Swift Boat" attacks to a damn thing about anything this election cycle.

Open wide....

They don't have to running against Captian Barack McWaffle and his willing sidekicks The Internet Hopeicrites.

danfrank: GOP 1992- 2000: Clinton is a pot smoking national guardsman who pulled strings to avoid military service!!! This is terrible, he can't be president.

GOP 2001 - 2007: There are many ways to serve your country including service in the national guard, lack of real military experience is irrelevant. And don't ask about past drug use, that's too personal.

GOP 2008: Past drug use is bad again!! He didn't serve in the military!!! He's a pussy!!!

This pretty much sums it up. I just wanted to Add:

GOP 2004: Military service is not that important. Flip-flopping is the most egregious sin that a presidential candidate can commit.

GOP 2008: Military service is the most important factor in determining a president. Flip-Flopping on key issues shows wisdom in the ace of adversity.