Glad I don't live in Toronto any more.

and monkeys will fly outta my butt.

Shah, riiiight.

Unleash the Mounties!!

Hezbollah is a legitimate political organization, and this would be a disastrous tactical maneuver, so it makes sense for them, as well as Iran, to have these people in place in case of an Israeli, or in the case of Iran, American, attack, yet I honestly don't believe Hezbollah would attack offensively unless there is an all-out war, for it would do nothing but allow justification for an Israeli incursion, and Hezbollah would probably lose additional support in Lebanon.

Suicidal Writer: Hezbollah is a legitimate political organization

Bring Em' On!

Two Dogs Farking: Suicidal Writer: Hezbollah is a legitimate political organization

They are elected members of Lebanon's government. They have a military arm, but they ought not be considered a terrorist organization.

Suicidal Writer: Two Dogs Farking: Suicidal Writer: Hezbollah is a legitimate political organization

They are elected members of Lebanon's government. They have a military arm, but they ought not be considered a terrorist organization.

Ok. It does not matter if they are legitimately elected members of the government in Lebanon. They carry out terrorist attacks. Therefore, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. So is Hamas.

"If we simply go by historical trend, that would be going against their usual practice," he said

Yeah, because ya know, surprise attacks are rarely effective. Kinda like how nobody expected 9/11. Nothing like that had ever happened before.

At the very least it's just a tactic to terrorize jewish people without actually having to do anything.

Suicidal Writer: They have a military arm, but they ought not be considered a terrorist organization.

What is your definition of a terrorist organization?

Suicidal Writer: Two Dogs Farking: Suicidal Writer: Hezbollah is a legitimate political organization

They are elected members of Lebanon's government. They have a military arm, but they ought not be considered a terrorist organization.

Some people in Argentina would like a word with you about that (new window)....

I have a feeling I'm going to stay up way to late with this thread

queezyweezel:
What is your definition of a terrorist organization?

In general political terms, an organization that is completely seperate from a legitimate government and uses violent tactics against a civilian population. Once an organization has been legitimized by a population, calling them terrorists would mean the US, and, therefore, the Democrat and Republican parties, is perhaps the top terrorist organization (parties)/state in the world.

Noam Chomsky hit the nail on the head.


"The U.S. is officially committed to what is called "low-intensity warfare." That's the official doctrine. If you read the definition of low-intensity conflict in army manuals and compare it with official definitions of "terrorism" in army manuals, or the U.S. Code, you find they're almost the same. Terrorism is the use of coercive means aimed at civilian populations in an effort to achieve political, religious, or other aims. That's what the World Trade Center bombing was, a particularly horrifying terrorist crime. And that's official doctrine. I mentioned a couple of examples. We could go on and on. It's simply part of state action, not just the U.S. of course. Furthermore, all of these things should be well known. It's shameful that they're not. Anybody who wants to find out about them can begin by reading a collection of essays published ten years ago by a major publisher called Western State Terrorism, edited by Alex George (Routledge, 1991), which runs through lots and lots of cases. These are things people need to know if they want to understand anything about themselves. They are known by the victims, of course, but the perpetrators prefer to look elsewhere."

The United States is a Leading Terrorist State (new window)

Suicidal Writer: queezyweezel:
What is your definition of a terrorist organization?

In general political terms, an organization that is completely seperate from a legitimate government and uses violent tactics against a civilian population. Once an organization has been legitimized by a population, calling them terrorists would mean the US, and, therefore, the Democrat and Republican parties, is perhaps the top terrorist organization (parties)/state in the world.

Noam Chomsky hit the nail on the head.


"The U.S. is officially committed to what is called "low-intensity warfare." That's the official doctrine. If you read the definition of low-intensity conflict in army manuals and compare it with official definitions of "terrorism" in army manuals, or the U.S. Code, you find they're almost the same. Terrorism is the use of coercive means aimed at civilian populations in an effort to achieve political, religious, or other aims. That's what the World Trade Center bombing was, a particularly horrifying terrorist crime. And that's official doctrine. I mentioned a couple of examples. We could go on and on. It's simply part of state action, not just the U.S. of course. Furthermore, all of these things should be well known. It's shameful that they're not. Anybody who wants to find out about them can begin by reading a collection of essays published ten years ago by a major publisher called Western State Terrorism, edited by Alex George (Routledge, 1991), which runs through lots and lots of cases. These are things people need to know if they want to understand anything about themselves. They are known by the victims, of course, but the perpetrators prefer to look elsewhere."

The United States is a Leading Terrorist State (new window)

Geez for someone who claims to be a Libertarian, you're painting a very leftist picture of yourself.

ooops I take that back...You're profile is pretty clear on your "Welfare-Statist" economic theory... Oh and "dove" is not a foreign policy. It might be considered a military policy, which is what I'm sure you meant.

homerdrew415: Geez for someone who claims to be a Libertarian, you're painting a very leftist picture of yourself.

I'm not a Libertarian.

see my above retraction

homerdrew415: Geez for someone who claims to be a Libertarian, you're painting a very leftist picture of yourself.

Yeah, he isn't one of us, please don't bunch a bad troll in with the left.

Suicidal Writer: homerdrew415: Geez for someone who claims to be a Libertarian, you're painting a very leftist picture of yourself.

I'm not a Libertarian.

You're more of a "progressive" but not in the Teddy Roosevelt sort of way...

GAT_00: homerdrew415: Geez for someone who claims to be a Libertarian, you're painting a very leftist picture of yourself.

Yeah, he isn't one of us, please don't bunch a bad troll in with the left.

If you mean Suicidal Writer...I'm pretty sure he's a she...though they could be a he-she, in either case

homerdrew415: ooops I take that back...You're profile is pretty clear on your "Welfare-Statist" economic theory... Oh and "dove" is not a foreign policy. It might be considered a military policy, which is what I'm sure you meant.

It's not listed as a foreign policy. It's listed as an approach to foreign policy.

Suicidal Writer: homerdrew415: ooops I take that back...You're profile is pretty clear on your "Welfare-Statist" economic theory... Oh and "dove" is not a foreign policy. It might be considered a military policy, which is what I'm sure you meant.

It's not listed as a foreign policy. It's listed as an approach to foreign policy.

From your profile

Party: Ardent independent.
Abortion: Pro-Fetus
Death Penalty: Oppose
Drugs: Abolish prison terms for non-violent offenders. Create three classes of drugs based on recreational value, addiction potential, and overall social harm. Outlaw production of the most socially insalubrious substances, but only resort to fines for use. Those that are of high recreational value, but not harmful to most users, should be legalized and taxed.
Environment: Hardcore Green
Economic: Welfare-Statist
Civil/Social:libertarian
Foreign Policy: Dove
Gun Control: I support the motto that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a government agency.
Religion: Very secular; the state should be agnostic and reject state religion and state atheism.

"No credible information" + "chatter" = I don't believe you.

so your "approach" to abortion is "Pro-Fetus" so you'd be willing to compromise on killing a fetus with a coat hanger if it things could change the "approach" towards a Dove foreign policy?

homerdrew415: If you mean Suicidal Writer...I'm pretty sure he's a she...though they could be a he-she, in either case

Whatever that racist is, it isn't a liberal, it's a troll.

Cagey B: "No credible information" + "chatter" = I don't believe you.

I'd like to think that Hezbollah is smart enough not to blow the high ground they got when Israel wasn't willing to commit fully to defeating them in Lebanon. I've been proven wrong many times over.

homerdrew415: From your profile

All those listings are general approaches, not specifics (except for I suppose the one about drugs). It would take thousands of words to articulate my specific positions, with the exception of drugs because that is rather clear cut.

homerdrew415: so your "approach" to abortion is "Pro-Fetus" so you'd be willing to compromise on killing a fetus with a coat hanger if it things could change the "approach" towards a Dove foreign policy?

Pro-fetus means the best interest of the fetus as a life capable of feeling pain. "Pro-life" is a somewhat dubious term considering so many of the conservatives I'm allied with on the issue of baby executions also support the executions of convicted criminals. Which sort of tosses a wrench in the whole "life" thing.

GAT_00: homerdrew415: If you mean Suicidal Writer...I'm pretty sure he's a she...though they could be a he-she, in either case

Whatever that racist is, it isn't a liberal, it's a troll.

Well disguised then...Don't trolls usually say stuff about how big nosed jews kill muslim babies with the horns on their heads while they pour the blood into goblets made of the bones of those killed by the Jewish banking cabal in the protocols of the elders of zion or some crap?

/Jew
//Hezbollah went after Argentina so Canada isn't that much of a stretch.
///There's a reason why my synagogue & the local Jewish community center have armed guards and metal detectors on site in San Francisco.

Suicidal Writer: homerdrew415: From your profile

All those listings are general approaches, not specifics (except for I suppose the one about drugs). It would take thousands of words to articulate my specific positions, with the exception of drugs because that is rather clear cut.

I know many "progressives" in San Francisco and while you're co-believers in teh "progressive political movement" are easy to coax into bed, there's not much politically we see eye to eye on..

/"progressive" girls are slutty and easy to pick up at protests
//Enjoy sex in uncomfotable places
///Like the backseat of a Volkswagen?

homerdrew415: Well disguised then...Don't trolls usually say stuff about how big nosed jews kill muslim babies with the horns on their heads while they pour the blood into goblets made of the bones of those killed by the Jewish banking cabal in the protocols of the elders of zion or some crap?

It has tried to become less trolly lately, a couple months back it was bad as the Fark Independent^TM trolls.

homerdrew415: Cagey B: "No credible information" + "chatter" = I don't believe you.

I'd like to think that Hezbollah is smart enough not to blow the high ground they got when Israel wasn't willing to commit fully to defeating them in Lebanon. I've been proven wrong many times over.

Never say never, of course, but I would be incredibly surprised if anything came of this.

Hezbollah is a valuable resource for Iran, who is currently in a state of heightened tensions with the US and Israel. They're one of the few threats they have in the case of hostilities. I doubt very much they'd shoot their wad over something like this.

Yeah, they've attacked abroad before, but one could argue that they didn't have as much to lose back then. They're a major political and military power in Lebanon now. I doubt very much they'd risk that position attacking targets in Canada over the death of a senior operative.

In any event, I've seen too many "the chatter says so and so" stories to even remotely believe that anything's going on. When the next attack hits, you can be 99% sure that there will be zero immediate warning.

Cagey B: homerdrew415: Cagey B: "No credible information" + "chatter" = I don't believe you.

I'd like to think that Hezbollah is smart enough not to blow the high ground they got when Israel wasn't willing to commit fully to defeating them in Lebanon. I've been proven wrong many times over.

Never say never, of course, but I would be incredibly surprised if anything came of this.

Hezbollah is a valuable resource for Iran, who is currently in a state of heightened tensions with the US and Israel. They're one of the few threats they have in the case of hostilities. I doubt very much they'd shoot their wad over something like this.

Yeah, they've attacked abroad before, but one could argue that they didn't have as much to lose back then. They're a major political and military power in Lebanon now. I doubt very much they'd risk that position attacking targets in Canada over the death of a senior operative.

In any event, I've seen too many "the chatter says so and so" stories to even remotely believe that anything's going on. When the next attack hits, you can be 99% sure that there will be zero immediate warning.

You're probably correct on that. Then again couldn't they still commit bombings, etc. and then claim that it's an "offshoot" organization and Hezbollah maintains blah blah blah...all the while maintain Iran's support?

homerdrew415: Then again couldn't they still commit bombings, etc. and then claim that it's an "offshoot" organization and Hezbollah maintains blah blah blah...all the while maintain Iran's support?

Certainly possible, yes. But I think everyone's eyebrows would go up at that one.

Cagey B: homerdrew415: Then again couldn't they still commit bombings, etc. and then claim that it's an "offshoot" organization and Hezbollah maintains blah blah blah...all the while maintain Iran's support?

Certainly possible, yes. But I think everyone's eyebrows would go up at that one.

Just like they "go up" when Fatah or Al Aqsa Martyr's brigade or whoever else does stuff like that?

/just saying

Nothing fails like religion.

OK, let me be more specific.

Nothing fails like unjustified, irrational belief. (Religion is included in this broader category)

You_mean_Im_gonna_stay_this_color: Nothing fails like religion.

OK, let me be more specific.

Nothing fails like unjustified, irrational belief. (Religion is included in this broader category)

Well, historically it's been responsible for more violence and death than just about anything else.

You_mean_Im_gonna_stay_this_color: Nothing fails like unjustified, irrational belief. (Religion is included in this broader category)

This isn't fully accurate. What is rational is going to be relative to the culture and epoch. The kings of rationality in the 18th and 19th century were often vicious racists, and had a rational basis for their racism, although it doesn't appear that way today. Only recently has racism been considered irrational. However, depending on whether political correctness stifles research, the field of genetics may provide a rational basis for it in the future. Doesn't necessarily make it right, as 20th century eugenics showed, but it's not irrational at that point.

The death penalty, abortion, and the wide-spread support they have are examples of rationalism leading to a similar end as irrationality.

homerdrew415: GAT_00: homerdrew415: If you mean Suicidal Writer...I'm pretty sure he's a she...though they could be a he-she, in either case

Whatever that racist is, it isn't a liberal, it's a troll.

Well disguised then...

Well disguised? Are you farking shiatting me? I think you need to go back to the troll-detector store, they obviously sold you the farking lemon of the century.

Abner Doon: homerdrew415: GAT_00: homerdrew415: If you mean Suicidal Writer...I'm pretty sure he's a she...though they could be a he-she, in either case

Whatever that racist is, it isn't a liberal, it's a troll.

Well disguised then...

Well disguised? Are you farking shiatting me? I think you need to go back to the troll-detector store, they obviously sold you the farking lemon of the century.

If he/she isn't a troll explain away her ignorance when she obviously put all that time into such a detailed profile.

/The stone game in your profile. I hate it.
//Rochester is to civilization as a blow job is to a castrated man.

queezyweezel: Well, historically it's been responsible for more violence and death than just about anything else.

Collectivization ... [it] just doesn't work.

queezyweezel:
Well, historically it's been responsible for more violence and death than just about anything else.

You might also try Disease, Germany, Communism, and France. Those 4 should cover about a billion people in the last century.

"Sleeper cells"...sure. Because all Hezbollah really wants is to give the Israelis and their allies a reason to drop the gloves and bring it on big-time. I'm sure that's in their interest, not that of other actors....

Hezbollah is not going to stop their militant, destroy Israel policy. That is the basis of their foundation, trained and backed by Iran.

As far as sleeper cells in Canada, of course it is possible. I'm not sure why they would choose to strike at Israeli interests there, unless it is easier to infiltrate or get arms there.

Suicidal Writer

Noam Chomsky is a linguist. Posting a tirade from an academic does not, alone, reinforce or support your view.

I would say any political party with an armed wing independent of a national military, which undertakes offensive opperations against a nearby country from home soil, without sanction from a national government, is a terrorist group.

We know that there are sleeper cells in Canada because absolutely no terrost acts have occurred. Therefore they must be asleep.

Everyone hide under the bed. No shoving.

Swampthing in Korea: Suicidal Writer

Noam Chomsky is a linguist. Posting a tirade from an academic does not, alone, reinforce or support your view.

I would say any political party with an armed wing independent of a national military, which undertakes offensive opperations against a nearby country from home soil, without sanction from a national government, is a terrorist group.

Shouldn't stop at nearby countries. See my post above about the Argentina bombing by Hezbollah in 94. I had forgotten that Chomsky is a linguistic specialist. He's also not ashamed to make big bucks working for the same people he claims to hate (new window).

Cagey B: Hezbollah is a valuable resource for Iran

Actually, Hezbollah is of no value to Iran at all.

ilambiquated: Cagey B: Hezbollah is a valuable resource for Iran

Actually, Hezbollah is of no value to Iran at all.

Yeah why would Iran want to completely fun an organization that can put on a nice happy face to the West and at the same time use it's spare time killing Jews. I couldn't possibly see any reason for Iran to value a proxy army capable of striking globally.