Sure, he won't be around when the bills come due.

News flash, subby. The last person to care about deficits was Newt Gingrich. Believe anything else and you are just a stooge for a major party.

Man, you guys are really running it into the ground today. It's going to be unbearable on here by September.

angryjd

The last person to care about deficits was Newt Gingrich. Believe anything else and you are just a stooge for a major party.

Yeah, good old Newt, who only stooged for the Republicans. Wait, what?

But I thought deficits were good?

He said he would also allow companies to write off spending on new equipment more quickly than they now could, effectively reducing their taxes.

like when? before they use it? i don't think he understands the point of depreciation.

angryjd [TotalFark] Quote 2008-06-19 04:33:52 PM
News flash, subby. The last person to care about deficits was Newt Gingrich. Believe anything else and you are just a stooge for a major party.

Newt didn't care, it was just a ploy to get the republicans back in congress.

It isn't like he woul dhave done jack shiat if he were president.

FTFA:

As the conventional wisdom has it, neither senator has been serious about the long-term budget deficit; both have made rosy assumptions about the revenue that will come from cracking down on waste, fraud, abuse, overseas tax loopholes and other vague fiscal bogeymen.

All this is true enough. Mr. Obama, for instance, relies on hypothetical savings from electronic medical records to claim that he can reduce the deficit, and he hasn't been totally clear about his tax plans. But the unknowns about the McCain agenda are simply on a different scale.

Do you people read the articles you submit?

I don't like either candidate but the more I hang around fark the less likely I think it is I'll vote Obama. I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain, and I can't find a third party candidate I like. I'm going to write something ridiculous like Jimmy Carter or something.

Why do Obama's fans have to be so farking annoying? I'm not thrilled with his lack of experience and the best thing anyone can say about him is that he's a great public speaker. Everywhere I turn lately it's someone telling me how I have to vote for him or I'm a racist, a bigot, an idiot, or not picking a candidate in the proper way. He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns.

Gwendolyn: I don't like either candidate but the more I hang around fark the less likely I think it is I'll vote Obama. I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain, and I can't find a third party candidate I like. I'm going to write something ridiculous like Jimmy Carter or something.

that'll show em.

Bill Frist: Newt didn't care, it was just a ploy to get the republicans back in congress.

Ahhh yes the Contract with America. That worked so well.

They also don't care about all the death in Darfur.
Or public opinion of the US abroad.

Gwendolyn: Everywhere I turn lately it's someone telling me how I have to vote for him or I'm a racist, a bigot, an idiot, or not picking a candidate in the proper way.

It's certainly not on Fark. We pretty much give you all the evidence you need in order to make a decision. You know, facts.

burndtdan: Gwendolyn: I don't like either candidate but the more I hang around fark the less likely I think it is I'll vote Obama. I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain, and I can't find a third party candidate I like. I'm going to write something ridiculous like Jimmy Carter or something.

that'll show em.

It's my vote and quite honestly if I vote for anyone but McCain or Obama it's like voting for my ass as president anyway. I'm not staying home on election day and it's gotta go somewhere. I could vote for McCain I guess to "show em" but I have to live with myself in the morning. I'll most likely be voting in PA for this election and it is a swing state. Hell maybe I'll write in my ass.

Nestea Plunge: Bill Frist: angryjd [TotalFark] Quote 2008-06-19 04:33:52 PM
News flash, subby. The last person to care about deficits was Newt Gingrich. Believe anything else and you are just a stooge for a major party.

Newt didn't care, it was just a ploy to get the republicans back in congress.

It isn't like he woul dhave done jack shiat if he were president.

But weren't they actually in worse shape after the "Gingrich Revolution" ended?

I think the Gingrich Revolution ended in 1998 when Newt Gingrich resigned, so, no, we were in surplus when it ended.

Gwendolyn: He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns

So instead of judging the candidates on their own merits, you are going to judge them by what their supporters say and do? Is that about right?

Gwendolyn: Why do Obama's fans have to be so farking annoying?

why do you have to resort to such blatant ad hominem?

I'm not thrilled with his lack of experience and the best thing anyone can say about him is that he's a great public speaker.

that's not even remotely true. i've seen you raise the question in several threads, then promptly ignore the reams and reams of answer given to you, facts and data cited, etc. matter of fact, most of those uber-annoying obama supporters don't ever claim the reason they support him is because "he's a great public speaker".

Everywhere I turn lately it's someone telling me how I have to vote for him or I'm a racist, a bigot, an idiot, or not picking a candidate in the proper way. He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns.

i can't imagine why you might get negative responses when the main reason you won't vote for him is because "the internet [is] filled with obama assclowns". beyond that, again, i've seen you post shiat like this in tons of threads... you're like a farking broken record in them. "omg i can't believe you guys still support obama because of [insert minor point here from TFA]. he's such an empty suit/he has no experience/he has no real policy. why does everyone call me racist/sexist/stupid/whatever for my views?"

followed by people giving you his policies, citing his experience, etc, and not a single person calling you stupid, racist, or any of those things.

get off your persecution complex.

cameroncrazy1984: It's certainly not on Fark. We pretty much give you all the evidence you need in order to make a decision. You know, facts.

You mean the facts like the misleading headline linked to an article that glossed over the Obama stuff and leaned on McCain? Just like we get posted 20 times a day...

Pull up any of the primary threads that went to Hillary they were full of whining about how the state was full of racists hicks that just didn't want a black man as their candidate.

He is really trying to live up to the McSame moniker, isn't he?

"Deficits don't matter"
--Dick Cheney.

mofroe: Gwendolyn: He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns

So instead of judging the candidates on their own merits, you are going to judge them by what their supporters say and do? Is that about right?

Why yes that's exactly what I said! How insightful of you.

Gwendolyn: It's my vote and quite honestly if I vote for anyone but McCain or Obama it's like voting for my ass as president anyway.... Hell maybe I'll write in my ass.

again.

why, oh why might someone think your point of view is stupid? that's amazing reasoning, "it's like voting for my ass".

i don't give a crap who you vote for, or what stupid shiat you write in, i'm just amused that you are clearly not willing to sit it out, but clearly willing to waste your time driving to the polling station to cast an invalid vote. genius.

He's rich and old, why the hell would he?

Gwendolyn: I don't like either candidate but the more I hang around fark the less likely I think it is I'll vote Obama. I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain, and I can't find a third party candidate I like. I'm going to write something ridiculous like Jimmy Carter or something.

Why do Obama's fans have to be so farking annoying?

Do whatever you want with your vote, but who cares what other people do or say about the candidates? You aren't voting for the supporters. Forget all the noise and vote for whoever you want.

The Obama campaign claims it can pay for all this, and even reduce the deficit, through tax increases and spending cuts. I think a more skeptical look at its budget leaves you worried it may add something like $50 billion a year to the deficit. But applying the same arched brow to Mr. McCain's stated plans leaves you worried that he will add $200 billion or $300 billion or, depending on his voluntary tax system, even more.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

burndtdan: that's not even remotely true. i've seen you raise the question in several threads, then promptly ignore the reams and reams of answer given to you, facts and data cited, etc.


He was in the Illinois Senate from 1996-2004, and hasn't even fulfilled his first term as a Senator. I'm not sure how being editor of a law review qualifies as experience in National Politics. You can keep talking about it but I still won't think it's relevant experience.

Gwendolyn: it's like voting for my ass as president anyway.

You sound bitter and snarky just like all the other 3rd party supporters so I think I'll vote for one of the major party candidates.

burndtdan: i don't give a crap who you vote for, or what stupid shiat you write in, i'm just amused that you are clearly not willing to sit it out, but clearly willing to waste your time driving to the polling station to cast an invalid vote. genius.

Well the genius part here is elections are for more than just the President. You know Senators, Representatives, local and state elections, and ballot initiatives. I have about 20 people and laws I am actively choosing to vote for. What state do you live in where the only thing you vote for on election day is President?

Gwendolyn: burndtdan: that's not even remotely true. i've seen you raise the question in several threads, then promptly ignore the reams and reams of answer given to you, facts and data cited, etc.


He was in the Illinois Senate from 1996-2004, and hasn't even fulfilled his first term as a Senator. I'm not sure how being editor of a law review qualifies as experience in National Politics. You can keep talking about it but I still won't think it's relevant experience.

that's wonderful. i would counter by pointing out that exactly 0 presidents have started their first term with any presidential experience. the closest thing would be a vice president, and none of them are running. the next closest thing would be a governor, but none of them are running.

but what did i not say? think long and hard about it. maybe go up and read what "the best thing anyone can come up with" is. and maybe consider that the qualifier you used, "the best", is directly dependent on your interpretation of their answer.

i don't doubt someone might have said that to you at some point, but the only way it is "the best [they] can come up with" is because it's the only answer you will accept.

but go on, go write in jimmy carter or your ass, have them toss your ballot out because it's invalid, just so you can feel vindicated against those horrible people on the internet who had the audacity to be enthusiastic about a presidential candidate. because really, who the fark ever wants to do that?

Gwendolyn: mofroe: Gwendolyn: He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns

So instead of judging the candidates on their own merits, you are going to judge them by what their supporters say and do? Is that about right?

Why yes that's exactly what I said! How insightful of you.

Hmm.. My sarcasm meter says you're being sarcastic, but mofroe totally called you on your bullshiat.

Lord of Allusions: Man, you guys are really running it into the ground today. It's going to be unbearable on here by September May.

FTFY.

There seems to be a pattern of partisan headlines slamming both candidates, but particularly McCain, being greenlit.

Anyone who took TWO minutes to skim the article would be able to tell how poorly the headline summarizes the content.

I might just start submitting headlines like, "John McCain wants to drop babies into vats of hydrochloric acid while boot scooting with Bush" linked to the Nasa picture of the day just to see if they get approved.

On second thought, I don't think I will. The thought they might be greened would is too depressing.

burndtdan: Gwendolyn: It's my vote and quite honestly if I vote for anyone but McCain or Obama it's like voting for my ass as president anyway.... Hell maybe I'll write in my ass.

again.

why, oh why might someone think your point of view is stupid? that's amazing reasoning, "it's like voting for my ass".

i don't give a crap who you vote for, or what stupid shiat you write in, i'm just amused that you are clearly not willing to sit it out, but clearly willing to waste your time driving to the polling station to cast an invalid vote. genius.

One vote out of millions isn't worth much, anyway. If she wants to vote for her ass, then that's her choice. Usually the ballot is just loaded with horses' asses, anyway. But even if she votes for someone/something ridiculous out of frustration, at least she is voting and making her voice heard, and not just "sitting it out" because someone on the interent thinks she should. I mean, you say you don't care, but then you get condescending about it. Clearly, you do care. So do a lot of you that show up in every single remotely negative Obama thread to "set the record straight" like anything on this website really makes a bit of difference in the grand scheme of things. But it's none of your business how anyone casts his or her vote.

Unright: Gwendolyn: mofroe: Gwendolyn: He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns

So instead of judging the candidates on their own merits, you are going to judge them by what their supporters say and do? Is that about right?

Why yes that's exactly what I said! How insightful of you.

Hmm.. My sarcasm meter says you're being sarcastic, but mofroe totally called you on your bullshiat.

Wow you're right too. You guys should start a service.

Typical borrow-and-spend big government conservative.

"conservatives" will mumble something about spending and then go right back to cheering on the problem.

We deserve deficits and worse.

I tried very, very hard to come up with a witty, cynical, supportive comment for this policy statement - but Jesus tap-dancing Christ, is this guy really running for president?

fark me with a spoon

McCain and Obama both want to increase spending. That's a simple fact.

/Barr 2008

No. SMALL deficits are good.

quickdraw: Gwendolyn: it's like voting for my ass as president anyway.

You sound bitter and snarky just like all the other 3rd party supporters ...

Now wait a second, this is Fark. Bitter snarkiness is not only expected, it's pretty much mandatory.

Gwendolyn: Do you people read the articles you submit?

I don't like either candidate but the more I hang around fark the less likely I think it is I'll vote Obama. I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain, and I can't find a third party candidate I like. I'm going to write something ridiculous like Jimmy Carter or something.

Why do Obama's fans have to be so farking annoying? I'm not thrilled with his lack of experience and the best thing anyone can say about him is that he's a great public speaker. Everywhere I turn lately it's someone telling me how I have to vote for him or I'm a racist, a bigot, an idiot, or not picking a candidate in the proper way. He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns.

did you read the rest of the article?

The Obama campaign claims it can pay for all this, and even reduce the deficit, through tax increases and spending cuts. I think a more skeptical look at its budget leaves you worried it may add something like $50 billion a year to the deficit. But applying the same arched brow to Mr. McCain's stated plans leaves you worried that he will add $200 billion or $300 billion or, depending on his voluntary tax system, even more.

Come on, people, do you really care all that much?

After the last 8 years of Bush, it's all irrelevant. Everything our fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers (and so on back into American history) worked and fought for has been bought, sold, eaten, digested, and then repackaged with a spiffy label promising us that it isn't shiat. It is. Unless you're sitting pretty with some cool cash in the bank, you're farked. Go enjoy what you can while you can...and definitely before you get sick and your insurance company decides they're not going to pay for your sorry ass medical bills.

Oh, and vote for Obama. We'll still be second-class world citizens, but at least the entire world won't hate us so much.

Thank you!

Because McCain's a tool of the international bankers.

Debt = slavery and we're on our way.

If it's stupid McBush said it.

If it's stupid Bush did it.

Nabb1:I mean, you say you don't care, but then you get condescending about it. Clearly, you do care.
the only part i care about is her insistence (not only in this thread, but just about every time i've seen her post on politics since the primaries began) that all obama supporters are being mean to her, repeating the empty suit meme ad nauseum, and then leaving. in the process, people are showing her why the empty suit meme is wrong, no one is being mean to her, but she doesn't read any of the replies.
let me put it this way... based on her posts in earlier threads, i'd say she needs some cheesecake. i could be wrong about that in particular, but that's about the level of discourse we're talking about.
Gwendolyn:Unright: Gwendolyn: mofroe: Gwendolyn: He'd probably be my lesser of two evils vote if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns
So instead of judging the candidates on their own merits, you are going to judge them by what their supporters say and do? Is that about right?
Why yes that's exactly what I said! How insightful of you.
Hmm.. My sarcasm meter says you're being sarcastic, but mofroe totally called you on your bullshiat.
Wow you're right too. You guys should start a service.
what part of it was wrong? you said you might vote for obama, but won't because of what his supporters say or do. or to quote you directly, "if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns".
i guess that is a distinction. it's not just what they say or do, but the fact that they seem to... exist. it's not that they are doing something, it's just them BEING there that you are citing for your reason (in this quote in particular) for not voting for him. of course, in other quotes, you clarify that it's obama supporters calling you names, while simultaneously calling them names.
yep. he called you on your bullshiat. get over it.

wow, not sure why fark took out all of my paragraph breaks...

He said he would also allow companies to write off spending on new equipment more quickly than they now could, effectively reducing their taxes.
like when? before they use it? i don't think he understands the point of depreciation.
It's called accelerated depreciation and/or section 179. look it up.

Gwendolyn:Hell maybe I'll write in my ass.
I don't know if it will fit.

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FCC: what the fark are those guys talking about?

burndtdan:what part of it was wrong? you said you might vote for obama, but won't because of what his supporters say or do. or to quote you directly, "if everywhere I went on the internet wasn't filled with Obama assclowns".
Obama supporters are going to be the death of him. His main appeal is bringing a change to the political tone. The problem is he just flip flopped on the opportunity to take corruption out of the system by asking for matching funds and his supporters use tactics that would make Karl Rove blush by attacking his age and his wife. It is shameful and will eventually turn the public off.

BTW - McCain has already promised to cut $100 billion dollars from the budget as soon as he takes office and will freeze all discresionary spending.

McCaintheUniter Quote 2008-06-19 06:14:19 PM
BTW - McCain has already promised to cut $100 billion dollars from the budget as soon as he takes office and will freeze all discresionary spending.
He has no record of doing this. He just whines about it.
Only an idiot would trust him to follow through on such a transparantly empty promise.