I think we'll all get along fine without Robert's music on Itunes.

Besides, what the hell is that abortion of music he just released? Ronnie Van Zant is spinning in his grave.

Who?

I think this is a win win situation.

Kid Rock should not be named in the same sentence as Otis Redding.

BunkyBrewman: Besides, what the hell is that abortion of music he just released? Ronnie Van Zant is spinning in his grave.

... and Warren Zevon.

meekychuppet: I think this is a win win situation.

This.

Hey Kid, you don't get paid enough because you were drunk when you signed the contract with your record company. Take responsibility for your actions.

Perhaps he could have used that money on some singing lessons?

What a farking spare..

What dildo appointed him as the spokesdouche for all of music and the music industry, and why do people care what the fark he does?

At best, he's a 3rd-rate Tuesday-evening-booking-is-all-he-can-get bar band backup singer.

People that want digital music options are more than willing to pay for them... unless they are unavailable.

But if legitimate options are unavailable, they will always go with the illicit over doing without.

So you might not make a lot of money, Bob... but if the alternative is making nothing, well... something is still more than nothing, yes?

markie_farkie: At best, he's a 3rd-rate Tuesday-evening-booking-is-all-he-can-get bar band backup singer.

I'm not a fan of his music, but he is quite a musician. He plays all the studio instruments (drums, guitar, keyboards, etc) on his albums. 99% of 'artists' could not do that.


OlafTheBent: Kid Rock should not be named in the same sentence as Otis Redding.




...says the guy who names them both in a sentence.

Otis Redding was a musician of the 60's

Kid Rock comparing his plight to Otis Redding is bad enough, but to compare it to multiple Otis Reddings? What an asshole.

How are his CD sales doing by comparison?

Weird Al has saidthat he gets a lot more from a CD sale than an iTunes album sale, although he hasn't boycotted iTunes as a result.

Douchebaggery or no, Kid Rock is right here, this is RIAA execs taking advantage of cheesy contracts.

Give Kid Rock some of that internet money.

His latest album has gone gold.
500k+
so that's not too bad.
(billboard charts)

I don't know how to find iTunes numbers.

I don't think 'kid rock' counts as a musician, artist or singer
so what's he griping about?

davynelson: I don't think 'kid rock' counts as a musician, artist or singer
so what's he griping about?

Like I said, he plays all the instruments. Like his music or not (I don't) the guy has actual musical tallent.

Some of your farkers are amazing. You biatch about how the RIAA doesn't give the artist money and now that an artist says he doesn't get enough money from iTunes sales you're so quick to call him a dick. I would bet money that in their contract they get even less money from an iTunes sale than they do for a cd sale, even though they have to pay for their marketing and cost to make a cd and there are none of that on iTunes. I would biatch about the RIAA policy before I started calling out Kid Rock.

I will say this about Kid Rock: He put on one hulluva concert. I've seen him 3 times - once with Joe C even - and he farkin rocks.

Dude is talented whether you want to admit it or not. I haven't bought any of his recent CDs because I am not a country music fan. If he went back to the rock/rap/metal hybrid type music which he obtained his success with I would buy it. Until then I abstain.

He puts on a great show, seen him twice but it was before he went country.

I have the new Judas Priest album so I won't be yearning for any Kid Rock any time soon. Plus I buy the whole CD because I want the artwork and stuff also. I guess because I date back to the vinyl era but I collect CDs like people did with vinyls back in the day. The "download" sales model just doesn't appeal to me. I want the disks and artwork to add to my collection. I burn copies of my original then use the copy while saving the original. If my CD case gets stolen, they will get a bunch of worthless burned CDs.

reverland: I would bet money that in their contract they get even less money from an iTunes sale than they do for a cd sale, even though they have to pay for their marketing and cost to make a cd and there are none of that on iTunes. I would biatch about the RIAA policy before I started calling out Kid Rock.

Kid rock signed that contract. Presumably he read it first.

Ah Kid Rock. Perfect for those hot summer nights in the trailer park.

Tacoby Bellisbury: davynelson: I don't think 'kid rock' counts as a musician, artist or singer
so what's he griping about?

Like I said, he plays all the instruments. Like his music or not (I don't) the guy has actual musical tallent.

How hard is it to loop "Sad But True" ?

"I'm boycotting iTunes."
"I like to stick to my guns."
"I'll probably be on there eventually."

Maybe you should fess up to the fact that your time in the limelight is done.

Kyosuke: reverland: I would bet money that in their contract they get even less money from an iTunes sale than they do for a cd sale, even though they have to pay for their marketing and cost to make a cd and there are none of that on iTunes. I would biatch about the RIAA policy before I started calling out Kid Rock.

Kid rock signed that contract. Presumably he read it first.

Isn't the whole reason we had the RIAA is that they force artists to sign long term deals where they are nickel and dimed on costs related to videos, marketing, cd creation and when it comes to profits they aren't given their fare share. And you expect that this artist read the contract then was able to dictate terms? Most artists sign these contracts when they first get started and they get locked into multi album deals.

Actually Mr.Rock, the , the BIGGER problem is that your core audience (angry white males, strippers, white trash rockers) doesn't buy CD's. Either they copy shiate from a friend or the download the stuff for free.

/hates pirates/copyright infringers
//"b...b...but they artists make most of teh monay from teh showzzZz!!111!!'
///*sighs*

Tacoby Bellisbury: ...says the guy who names them both in a sentence.

Right over your head eh?

I almost died laughing.

I thought that "Angel" by Shaggy was lame for sampling two songs ("Angel of the Morning" and "The Joker"). Then came Kid Rock with his "Werewolves of London"/"Sweet Home Alabama" mash. Not only does it take the most recognizable riffs from two songs, but the song's main selling point is, "Hey, remember how you like that 'Sweet Home Alabama' song?"

And yes, Kid Rock does have talent. Saw him do some turntable scratching on some VH1 hip hop show, and he was about the best one there. But talented people can make terrible music.

OlafTheBent: Tacoby Bellisbury: ...says the guy who names them both in a sentence.

Right over your head eh?

probably

Ever since I heard that self-pitying fartknock "Only God Knows Why", I've wanted to kick him in the sac with ice-climbing boots.

Why should a hack who plays records and talks over them be paid at all. Kid Rock, DIAF.

Ah yesss, he's a tremendous musical talent.

/For me to poop on!

reverland: Isn't the whole reason we had the RIAA is that they force artists to sign long term deals...

No one is hold a gun to their heads. They may be holding a carrot on a stick, that's not really "forcing."

iTunes

Still amused that people pay for inferior compressed audio.

BTW, I saw Kid Rock a couple years ago on a free ticket and that friggin guy played everything on the stage. Don't like his music much, but he puts on a good show. He sure works harder than most people I have ever seen live.

barneyfifesbullet: Still amused that people pay for inferior compressed audio.

I'm still amused that people think that's all you can get from iTunes Store.

\bets you can't tell the difference anyway.

Cagey B: Kid Rock comparing his plight to Otis Redding is bad enough, but to compare it to multiple Otis Reddings? What an asshole.

There were multiple Otis Reddings? Did they all sing?

How cool would a band full of Otis Reddings be? Otis on bass, Otis on the drums, Otis playing guitar, Otis on keyboard, and Otis singing! And a pair of Otis's singing backup to Otis!

Of course all of the Otis Reddings are dead, so that would probably be one really smelly band. And I can't imagine they'd have any decent dance moves or sound all that good, seeing as they're all dead.

//Dead people can't dance, you know.
/Or play guitar, even.

OlafTheBent [TotalFark] Quote 2008-06-18 09:40:26 AM
Kid Rock should not be named in the same sentence as Otis Redding.

Too true. Kid Rock is a bastardised, white trash version of RATM minus the meaning and intelligence.
Otis Redding is one of the greatest. Every time I hear more of the guy I gain new respect. Hard to Handle has to be one of my all time favourites, so soulful, everything he sings sounds like he means it.
/now if only there was a way to stop me ruining his songs at karaoke...

Who cares about Kid Rock? His pop-rock sound is old and played out. Nobody thinks you're hard Kid Rock, pfft, the name alone is lame. What is this 1985?

This is not an iTunes issue, but instead is one of the the major label solutions to digital media.

iTunes, like any other retailer, is in the business of turning a profit. Agree or disagree with their term, they are not responsible for paying major label artists directly. Payment to the artist is made via the artist's publishing and record companies. If an artist doesn't receive money, it's because their business partners (i.e. record label and publisher) haven't paid them, which is usually down to recording, production, and promotion costs owed to the partner(s). It's in the contract.

One standard record contract clause addresses online delivery and sales that gives the record company the right to charge artists for physical delivery, breakage, and theft (just like product sitting in a Wal-Mart), and it's calculated grossly on a per song basis if purchased individually. This nets the artist between 1¢ and 6¢ per download, which the record company legally keeps until an artist's debt is recovered.

While this is quite an abstract overview of a single aspect of a record deal, the fact fundamental structure of the record deal has subtly shifted artist status from subsidized record company asset to a long term investment. This means the artist is screwed as often and ruthlessly as possible because the point of an investment is maximum return on minimum output.

His concerns are legitimate, but instead of accepting that he negotiated his record contract poorly (and quite possibly pissing off the hand that feeds), Kid Rock blames the retailer, which, in this case, is Apple.

lul a Kid Rock fark thread.


I am glad there are more defenders out today. If people actually listened to what his argument is, and what he is actualy saying, you would be on his side 100%.

Instead its another stream of ad hominem attacks based on his pop songs released 10 years ago.


Long Live Kid Rock

Wasn't Kid Rock's newest single a ripoff mishmash of Werewolves of London and Sweet Home Alabama? Wake me up when he's earned that paycheck.

EdMon: lul a Kid Rock fark thread.


I am glad there are more defenders out today. If people actually listened to what his argument is, and what he is actualy saying, you would be on his side 100%.

Instead its another stream of ad hominem attacks based on his pop songs released 10 years ago.


Long Live Kid Rock

Except it isn't. If you read the things above, you'd see a lot of people who are after him for his knee-jerk, ridiculous stance on an issue that is not even iTunes's problem.

He's a shill.

Oh, and also: he has never, and I'm comfortable saying not ever, recorded anything that was worth anyone's time. Congratulations, son, you've been marketed to.

februarymakeup: ridiculous stance

??

He wont give his songs to itunes because he doesnt like itunes system because it perpetuates the system of the record company making money off music that should be going to the artists.

Many artists on itunes make $0.00 for every song sold on itunes. He is taking a stand because he can. He is rich.



And you also dont like his music. Congratulations. You are a unique, sophisticated, elite member of fark.

EdMon: He wont give his songs to itunes because he doesnt like itunes system because it perpetuates the system of the record company making money off music that should be going to the artists.

Apple doesn't set the terms of distribution of the artist share of the sale, that's set in the record contract the artist presumably read before signing.

If Kid Rock wants to stop artist exploitation, his energies would be better spent negotiating a better record deal, not taking useless potshots at retailers.

One thing I like about Kid Rock is that he isn't afraid to experiment with different styles of music. His first few independent label albums were rap. When he released Devil Without a Cause he mixed elements of hip-hop with heavy metal. His next Album, Cocky, again mixed rap with metal, but also had southern rock and even country influences. His third album, which was self-titled, was mostly a southern rock and country album, with only a single rap song. His latest album, Rock and Roll Jesus, is very influenced by 1970s hard rock and even gospel. Rumor has it that his next studio album is going to be a rap/metal album, as a way of "getting back to his roots".

He's also a very talented musician. Not only can he play several different instruments (electric and acoustic guitars, bass, steel guitar, drums, turntables, harmonica, and even banjo), but he can play them damn well. He also sings and songwrites. I wish that my own musical abilities were as versatile as his.