"I was one of those people who went around the back of the bike shed with songs I had taped off the radio the night before..."


You farking criminal!

Amateurs.

Well...clearly every teen is a threat to the music industry.

Obviously, they should all be rounded up and sent to some sort of high-security, joyless, government-run institution where they can be instructed on how to properly live a souless life as a worker drone, and how copying music to give themselves a bright spot in their otherwise drab lives means that the poor suffering music executives will have to fly in a gold-plated Gulfstream III instead of a gold-plated Gulfstream IV, and can't those thieving bastards think of the executives?

/wait a tic...
//Update your dammed business model, assholes!

They're about to reach a subscription deal thingy in the UK?

Progress?

I want to know if they're pouring all the new revenue into a money pit or actually going to find some way of dividing it up based on whose music was actually downloaded (i.e. You get downlaoded, you get paid).

Damn spelling mistakes...

/I don't know what a downlaod is either...

800? Are these numbers taken from the days of 56k?

How many illegal FLACs?

Maybe ogg is finally catching on.

Wait a minute... the average teen has close to $1000 in legal music and they're complaining about stealing music? I'd be more worried about what laws kids are breaking to afford that much music.

monas: They're about to reach a subscription deal thingy in the UK?

Progress?

I want to know if they're pouring all the new revenue into a money pit or actually going to find some way of dividing it up based on whose music was actually downloaded (i.e. You get downlaoded, you get paid).

This. No artist has seen a penny from the RIAA's tactic of extorting grannies whose grandkids downloaded a song on the computer they only got to forward emails with pics of kittens in them. I can't imagine they'll get paid with bullshiat "downloading taxes" like this.

Fergal Sharkey, former lead singer of the Undertones and now chief executive of British Music Rights, said: "I was one of those people who went around the back of the bike shed with songs I had taped off the radio the night before. But this totally dwarfs that, and anything we expected."

Yep. Let's see... of the 3866 songs iTunes reports I have, some 3,000 of them were obtained by this method. Except substitute 'radio' with 'internet streams' and 'taped' with 'digitally recorded and encoded to mp3 or the digital format of my choice'.

The middle men of the music industry should have seen this coming with the invention of the 8-track.

Behold the power of my reel-to-reel.

The average law enforcement department has thousands of dollars of illegal drug money in their budget.

What's your point?

monas: They're about to reach a subscription deal thingy in the UK?

Progress?

Step 1. Subscription based music downloads
Step 2. Highly successful and large user base.
Step 3. Force users to switch to "REAL PLAYER" Networks
Step 4. Profit FAIL

staplermofo: Maybe ogg is finally catching on.

Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on to the great beyond as soon as FLAC catches up.

Last One Left: How many illegal FLACs?

I don't think the kids know much about FLAC yet. The demographic they are watching gets music from Limewire in 128 KBPS or less and only the hit song of the moment. Not exactly the strange digital audiophiles I see lurking about who are concerned with EAC rips with proper CUE's so they can burn an exact copy, perfect down to all the track split times. They are really weird people I might add. I'd rather just go to the store and buy a copy. Too bad I can't go to any store in Atlanta and find any music I want to buy.

I'd love a website I could download FLAC albums and believe me, I'd pay for it, so long as it's reasonable. Beatport is unbelievably overpriced and tacks on a $1 charge per WAV file surcharge. 2 EP's cost almost $20. What a waste of money!

Glitchwerks: Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on to the great beyond as soon as FLAC catches up.

Rats.
Are DATs catching on yet? You can record on them, in better than CD quality! I hear some enterprising young lads are using with the computers too.

"I was one of those people who went around the back of the bike shed with songs I had taped off the radio the night before..."

True True True Confessions!!

/Any fans?

Glitchwerks: Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on.

Half my Mp3 player is ogg, It still has it's relevance.

Same thing as back in the day just a little bit easier now.

Back in the 1980s we stole our music from the radio. We held that pause button down until the DJ finally shutup when our jam came on then let up on pause to add our song to the tape.

Later on we would make our own mix from what we scraped off the radio. This was easier for the kids with the dual cassette boom boxes, but for us unluckier kids we had to put our boom box in front of our friends boom box and record off of his as it played the other tape.

John Cusack in Hi-Fidelity and Thurston Moore may call it a lost artform but I think we only look on it sentimentally because in reality it was a pain in the ass long process to make a mix TAPE. Making mix playlists in your favorite MP3 player is effortless now which may give some people the false impression that it doesn't take as much thought.

Anyhoo, back to work...

only 800 HA HAHA

/Mr.RIAA Man all my music is legal honest!

Most music is a copy of some earlier music so I guess it's fitting.

MetalGator: 800? Are these numbers taken from the days of 56k?

This.

Seriously, 800 songs? That's what, 2-4 gigs? Given how many kids have 30 gig ipods, somehow I doubt it.

And I still just keep all my stuff encoded in MP3 - best compatibility with hardware that way.

Hey! I have a Feargal Sharky cd around here somewhere.

It's pretty good, too...

Lease my music? I don't think so. At the end of my "subscription period" I want to be able to continue listening to my music.

You can copy "up to ten thousand" songs HD to HD?

(one terabyte) / (4 megabytes) = two hundred sixty-two thousand one hundred forty-four

I've illegally downloaded every single Undertones album so I'm getting a kick out of these replies

This: MetalGator: 800? Are these numbers taken from the days of 56k?

This.

Seriously, 800 songs? That's what, 2-4 gigs? Given how many kids have 30 gig ipods, somehow I doubt it.

By the looks of it most kids are running around with iPod nanos or cell phones that play MP3s. So anywhere from 2GB to 8GB at the moment.

i'm not a teen but i have a couple thousand downloads.

it's not illegal yet in canada
but when it is i may stop

because i have lots for free.



mind you i put my own mp3s out there for free too
i could give a shiit: better someone's enjoying it.

I've got too many songs on my hd... So much that it won't fit on a couple of my 30gig ipods...

/Yes, I own more than 1 ipod...(3) (2 for music, 1 for podcasts)
//But they're all legal, payed for I swear...

ChronicallyCanuk: Glitchwerks: Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on.

Half my Mp3 player is ogg, It still has it's relevance.

No, it doesn't. The scene doesn't rip in Ogg. Most players don't support it. It isn't even allowed on the big music sites. No one cares about it, except for a few people who refuse to let it go.

MP3 is the compact disc, Ogg is the minidisc. It might be better, but MP3 is far more prevalent.

FLAC is far and away the best format to use now anyway, and that's all I'm really going to support any more. MP3's to preview and select my purchases, FLAC for rare out of print stuff. Ripped to Apple Lossless for my iPod, and that's about it.

Kids are treating recorded music as the worthless vapor it is. Charging them for it like it has any real value is just over. Recordings are just a commercial for concerts anyway.

Glitchwerks: ChronicallyCanuk: Glitchwerks: Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on.

Half my Mp3 player is ogg, It still has it's relevance.

No, it doesn't. The scene doesn't rip in Ogg. Most players don't support it. It isn't even allowed on the big music sites. No one cares about it, except for a few people who refuse to let it go.

MP3 is the compact disc, Ogg is the minidisc. It might be better, but MP3 is far more prevalent.

FLAC is far and away the best format to use now anyway, and that's all I'm really going to support any more. MP3's to preview and select my purchases, FLAC for rare out of print stuff. Ripped to Apple Lossless for my iPod, and that's about it.

FLAC/Apple Lossless = perfect for archiving
MP3/MP4/AAC = perfect for mobile listening
OGG = perfect for sharing that warm fuzzy 'truly open source' feeling with your handful of furry Linux and iRiver pals.

I used to download .mod files from my friends BBS. that was music man!

Glitchwerks: I'd love a website I could download FLAC albums and believe me, I'd pay for it, so long as it's reasonable.

Email me (EIP). I might have something for you.

That sharkey Guy,
Man, He stole the idea while I was napping!

he was just getting his "teenage kicks."

Glitchwerks: staplermofo: Maybe ogg is finally catching on.

Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on to the great beyond as soon as FLAC catches up.

Last One Left: How many illegal FLACs?

I don't think the kids know much about FLAC yet. The demographic they are watching gets music from Limewire in 128 KBPS or less and only the hit song of the moment. Not exactly the strange digital audiophiles I see lurking about who are concerned with EAC rips with proper CUE's so they can burn an exact copy, perfect down to all the track split times. They are really weird people I might add. I'd rather just go to the store and buy a copy. Too bad I can't go to any store in Atlanta and find any music I want to buy.

I'd love a website I could download FLAC albums and believe me, I'd pay for it, so long as it's reasonable. Beatport is unbelievably overpriced and tacks on a $1 charge per WAV file surcharge. 2 EP's cost almost $20. What a waste of money!

FLAC is great for bootlegs, audience/soundboard recordings, and vinyl rips. That's about it.

If you can HEAR the difference between FLAC and 320KB/s MP3 you either work with advanced sonic technology by profession, or you're just a freak.

I download live bootlegs and vinyl rips in FLAC, but immediately convert a separate copy of them into 320KB/s for actual listening (via iPod or iTunes). I keep the FLAC originals in their own folder on an external HD with their information and track files, but I never use them again.

Barring some massive hard drive failure, those FLAC's are really quite worthless unless I were to be a real asshole and start selling my own "rare live bootleg" CD's. Which I could, as the old fogies still do actually BUY bootlegs of live shows because most of them are internet retarded.

Oh, and if anyone here is a big Neil Young fan, I've got just about every live bootleg worth having. Toss me a message if you want in on the action.
("Bootleg Archives: Unreleased Live and Studio tracks from 1962-2005" [9 CD's], Live in Red Rocks 1989, Live at Riverside Theater 1992, Live at the Opera House 1992, Live in Cincinnati 1973, Live in Detroit 1973, Live in Phoenix 1983, Live at the Catalyst 1984, Live in Rosemont 1999, Live in Toronto 1988, Live in Dallas 1989, Live in Birmingham 1987, Live at Bonnaroo 2003, Live at the Catalyst 1990, Live in Dublin 1995, Princeton Landing "Echoes" Shows 1996 [12 discs], Live in Oberhausen 2001, and many many more)

theurge14: This: MetalGator: 800? Are these numbers taken from the days of 56k?

This.

Seriously, 800 songs? That's what, 2-4 gigs? Given how many kids have 30 gig ipods, somehow I doubt it.

By the looks of it most kids are running around with iPod nanos or cell phones that play MP3s. So anywhere from 2GB to 8GB at the moment.

True.

The only people I know with 30 GB IPods either

a) Won it/got it as a "bonus" at work. These kids don't use much of the space.
b) Bought it for the VIDEO capability. 30 GB holds a shiatload of songs, but when you consider there's people putting entire seasons of their favorite shows, or their favorite movies on there... you start to see how 30 GB can get used up. Video... it takes up space.

My 80gb Ipod has 20 gigs of music on it so far, but eventually I'll fill it up.

Average teen has 800 illegal mp3s? Fark that.

An average teen will have much more mp3s than I currently have, which is most likely in the 800 gig range - and I haven't downloaded much music for a few years now.

Kids will download and listen to any new shiat some magazine tells them it's cool to.

800 songs..pffft. I have almost 100 gigs of just ~192-256Kb MP3s.

And I own a Zune. fark apple.

/Legal, I swear.
//I'm in debt $100K from my downloads, honest.

I was a below average teen but I'm making up for that now. Of course, back in my day, we didn't have MP3s. We had MIDI files and we liked 'em.

Amateurs.

Veggies: Glitchwerks: staplermofo: Maybe ogg is finally catching on.

Ogg is useless and will thankfully move on to the great beyond as soon as FLAC catches up.

Last One Left: How many illegal FLACs?

I don't think the kids know much about FLAC yet. The demographic they are watching gets music from Limewire in 128 KBPS or less and only the hit song of the moment. Not exactly the strange digital audiophiles I see lurking about who are concerned with EAC rips with proper CUE's so they can burn an exact copy, perfect down to all the track split times. They are really weird people I might add. I'd rather just go to the store and buy a copy. Too bad I can't go to any store in Atlanta and find any music I want to buy.

I'd love a website I could download FLAC albums and believe me, I'd pay for it, so long as it's reasonable. Beatport is unbelievably overpriced and tacks on a $1 charge per WAV file surcharge. 2 EP's cost almost $20. What a waste of money!

FLAC is great for bootlegs, audience/soundboard recordings, and vinyl rips. That's about it.

If you can HEAR the difference between FLAC and 320KB/s MP3 you either work with advanced sonic technology by profession, or you're just a freak.

I download live bootlegs and vinyl rips in FLAC, but immediately convert a separate copy of them into 320KB/s for actual listening (via iPod or iTunes). I keep the FLAC originals in their own folder on an external HD with their information and track files, but I never use them again.

Barring some massive hard drive failure, those FLAC's are really quite worthless unless I were to be a real asshole and start selling my own "rare live bootleg" CD's. Which I could, as the old fogies still do actually BUY bootlegs of live shows because most of them are internet retarded.

Oh, and if anyone here is a big Neil Young fan, I've got just about every live bootleg worth having. Toss me a message if you want in on the action.
("Bootleg Archives: Unreleased Live and Studio tracks from 1962-2005" [9 CD's], Live in Red Rocks 1989, Live at Riverside Theater 1992, Live at the Opera House 1992, Live in Cincinnati 1973, Live in Detroit 1973, Live in Phoenix 1983, Live at the Catalyst 1984, Live in Rosemont 1999, Live in Toronto 1988, Live in Dallas 1989, Live in Birmingham 1987, Live at Bonnaroo 2003, Live at the Catalyst 1990, Live in Dublin 1995, Princeton Landing "Echoes" Shows 1996 [12 discs], Live in Oberhausen 2001, and many many more)

If it's Neil Young related, I'll take it. I've seen the guy 8 times (counting CSNY) and it'd be nice to listen to the stuff I wasn't around to hear yet.

I feel like I'm way behind. I don't believe I have anywhere NEAR 800 songs on my pc...and most of what I DO have was ripped from my own discs.

I guess I never found a really good P2P network.

I'm a teen, and I have around 800 songs on my iPod, but all of them are either from CDs or bought from iTunes. I'm just too paranoid of the RIAA.

GungFu: Average teen has 800 illegal mp3s? Fark that.

An average teen will have much more mp3s than I currently have, which is most likely in the 800 gig range - and I haven't downloaded much music for a few years now.

Kids will download and listen to any new shiat some magazine tells them it's cool to.

I seriously, seriously doubt you have anywhere near 800 GB of songs. You're probably off by at least an order of magnitude, if not two.

Pretty much average teen here, and I certainly have more than 800 illegal MP3s, as well as the majority of my friends. It's quite easy to share, and music gets passed around school rather quickly. I know very few kids who pay for their own music, unless it's a local band. We simply cannot afford to. That and the sheer availability on the internets makes us almost stupid not to.

GungFu
Kids will download and listen to any new shiat some magazine tells them it's cool to.

Hey, now, don't paint us all with the same brush. I've had my dad download me anything from the entire discography of the Ramones to Robert Johnson.
/My musical snobbery, let me show you it.

Skullduggery:
GungFu
Kids will download and listen to any new shiat some magazine tells them it's cool to.

Hey, now, don't paint us all with the same brush. I've had my dad download me anything from the entire discography of the Ramones to Robert Johnson.
/My musical snobbery, let me show you it.

Yeah, but most kids typify Gungfu's statement. I had a music fetish quite early on, but without the magical intertubez, it often was often highly misdirected.

I think most people (i.e. "old" people) are kind of jealous that kids are growing up with the entire world of music at their finger tips. It's probably why they get so damn cranky when kids like crap like Fall Out Boy.

My fingers used to be black as hell and dry as cement when I left a record store, from sifting through all the bins. Worst you guys are gonna get is that mysterious Cheetoes dust that's been collecting on your keyboard. :P

TheOnion: I seriously, seriously doubt you have anywhere near 800 GB of songs. You're probably off by at least an order of magnitude, if not two.


Around eight years worth?

I've already filled up 500 gigs on the external HDD and I've got a bunch of dvds filled with mp3s to transfer onto another 500 gig capacity HDD.

Trust me, it's around that many.

I haven't downloaded much in the way of songs these few years due to me finding out about movies and tv shows being available over the internet instead.


/everything is legal, I bought EVERYTHING legally. Stealing sucks! I hate thieves. RIAA and MPAA rule!

Teenage dreams, so hard to beat
Every time she walks down the street