Well if McCain won't win on experience, Obama may as well pick up his toys and go home because he has about as much experience as a third grader compared to McCain's Ph.D.

McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts. Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

I thought the Democrats were the party of inclusion and equality. Disenfranchising Florida voters sure will not help Obama win, telling people he wants to take the profits of companies- companies many of us own stock in, or have retirement plans or mutual funds investments will not help, calling Cuba and Iran tiny countries that can't possibly impact the US is not helping.

FTFA: "That ought to be a principled argument between McCain and Obama, about whether or not you're prepared to allow any random nut-case district judge, who has no knowledge of national security, to set the rules for terrorists."

Or you could, you know, go with the principle that the judge should base her or his decision on, like, the law and the Constitution and stuff; not on fear. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Well yeah, he's going to win by scaring middle America and the South to death about the evils of a black president. Any day now they are going to roll out that ad with the wolves and it will be all over except for finding out what McCain really thinks about God, guns and abortion. Duh!

Gingrich has been very honest about how he sees politics right now. I may not agree with him on a lot, but I respect the guy.

He's right, they can't win with denial.

This court decision is a disaster, which could cost us a city. And the debate ought to be over whether or not you're prepared to risk losing an American city on behalf of five lawyers - it was a 5-4 decision. Five lawyers had decided that the Supreme Court counts more than the Congress and the president combined in national security.

First, it's habeas. Second, Good God I'm sick of the fearmongering.

feckingmorons: Well if McCain won't win on experience, Obama may as well pick up his toys and go home because he has about as much experience as a third grader compared to McCain's Ph.D.

McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts. Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

I thought the Democrats were the party of inclusion and equality. Disenfranchising Florida voters sure will not help Obama win, telling people he wants to take the profits of companies- companies many of us own stock in, or have retirement plans or mutual funds investments will not help, calling Cuba and Iran tiny countries that can't possibly impact the US is not helping.

Concern troll is concerned.

we_hates: This court decision is a disaster, which could cost us a city. And the debate ought to be over whether or not you're prepared to risk losing an American city on behalf of five lawyers - it was a 5-4 decision. Five lawyers had decided that the Supreme Court counts more than the Congress and the president combined in national security.

First, it's habeas. Second, Good God I'm sick of the fearmongering.

Don't forget what came next:

"That ought to be a principled argument between McCain and Obama, about whether or not you're prepared to allow any random nut-case district judge, who has no knowledge of national security, to set the rules for terrorists."

Being an elitist attorney, I don't trust a bunch of paranoid laypeople to interpret the law - this just makes me feel sick.

feckingmorons: McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts.

McCain's flourishing flip-flop list (^)

McCain flip-flops on torture (^)

Welcome to McCain's flip-flop express (^)

It looks like your statement is demonstrably false, feckingmorons. Any other lies you'd care to mention?

Le Gingrich is a Democrat lover for sure

"No Republican here should kid themselves about it. The greatest leaders in fighting for an integrated America in the 20th century were in the Democratic Party. The fact is, it was the liberal wing of the Democratic Party that ended segregation. The fact is that it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt who gave hope to a Nation that was in distress and could have slid into dictatorship. Every Republican has much to learn from studying what the Democrats did right."
-Newt Gingrich (1995)

Bucky Katt: Le Gingrich is a Democrat lover for sure

He loves the Democratic Party so much he didn't think he was worthy of joining it.

feckingmorons:
McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts. Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.




What a maverick!

/hotlinked goodness

feckingmorons: Well if McCain won't win on experience, Obama may as well pick up his toys and go home because he has about as much experience as a third grader compared to McCain's Ph.D.

As Wesley Clark pointed out yesterday, Obama isn't running on his experience. He is running on other things, such as his judgment, his desire to shake up the current system (e.g. by employing a 50 state strategy in the election and by reversing the precedent of centralized executive power perpetrated by the current administration), and of supporting our troops by bringing them home. Sometimes, the young interloper is exactly what is needed.

McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts. Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

I'm sorry are you criticizing as flighty the candidate who took a principled stand on torture for decades before recently changing it when it got unpopular? No, that's your favored candidate. Maybe you're talking about the candidate who voted against the Bush tax cuts, but now claims that they must be extended? No. That's you're guy, too. Maybe it's the guy that passed laws reforming the campaign finance system and then violated them? Nope. That's you're guy, again. Are you sure you're thinking of the correct candidate when it comes to changing his tune whenever it's convenient? Obama's no saint when it comes to making decisions based on polls (e.g. renouncing Rev. Wright), but his record is less muddy than McCain's.

I thought the Democrats were the party of inclusion and equality. Disenfranchising Florida voters sure will not help Obama win, telling people he wants to take the profits of companies- companies many of us own stock in, or have retirement plans or mutual funds investments will not help, calling Cuba and Iran tiny countries that can't possibly impact the US is not helping.

First of all, the Florida and Michigan voters were disenfranchised by their state legislators who scheduled the elections out of turn, not Senator Obama. If he insisted that their delegates not be seated, they could blame no one outside of Tallahassee and Lansing. Second, I believe he has asked that they be seated in full.

As for his tax proposals, he is not proposing many more spending programs than McCain. In fact, if you factor in the reduced troop levels in the Middle East for which he is calling, the government will be saving some serious cash over McCain's spending. Senator Obama is just ensuring that he will be able to pay for his programs.

Finally, as for Cuba and Iran, we have tried decades of the tough guy approach with Cuba and six years of it, now, with Iran. Do we not have enough evidence that it isn't working? Should we keep trying, as the popular definition of insanity suggests, to achieve different results via the same means? The kinds of policies which McCain advances are the very policies that have sucked the life and soul out of our country over the last seven years. We need a shot in the arm. We need, to return to my Weeners, the young interloper.

Will Obama change the system permanently, completely, and ideally in his 4-8 years as president? No. Will he work to turn the Titanic in the right direction? I hope so. I even think it likely.

TFA Gingrich criticized Obama for his support of certain policies and most pointedly for his backing of this week's Supreme Court decision backing the habeus corpus rights of detainees held by the United States in a prison at Guantanamo Bay - a decision he called "worse than Dred Scott."

I respectfully disagree. If terrorists enslave 4 million Americans, I will reconsider.

What, no tips on the best way to heartlessly abandon your wife?

Horseshiat. Gingrich doesn't sound French at all.

feckingmorons: Well if McCain won't win on experience, Obama may as well pick up his toys and go home because he has about as much experience as a third grader compared to McCain's Ph.D.

McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts. Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

I thought the Democrats were the party of inclusion and equality. Disenfranchising Florida voters sure will not help Obama win, telling people he wants to take the profits of companies- companies many of us own stock in, or have retirement plans or mutual funds investments will not help, calling Cuba and Iran tiny countries that can't possibly impact the US is not helping.

You have one too many letters in your name.

The Right doesn't seem to understand that there is no debate. The Right as screwed up so entirely that you can't argue. You put a moron in charge and his cronies have tripled the cost of living. Electing more people on the Right will not fix that.

Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

Gingrich criticized Obama for his support of certain policies and most pointedly for his backing of this week's Supreme Court decision backing the habeus corpus rights of detainees held by the United States in a prison at Guantanamo Bay - a decision he called "worse than Dred Scott.

"He applauded this court decision. This court decision is a disaster, which could cost us a city. And the debate ought to be over whether or not you're prepared to risk losing an American city on behalf of five lawyers - it was a 5-4 decision. Five lawyers had decided that the Supreme Court counts more than the Congress and the president combined in national security.

If we're going to have an actual policy debate, I like this one. I actually think we can break it down to small enough words that the American people can understand. Something like:

"Yes, terrorist nations hold captives without recourse to the rule of law. Yes, bad people, like the VietCong in the 60s hold captives without recourse to the rule of law. But, we're the U. S. of Freaking A. The undisputed nuclear-armed superpower. We can do better than rogue states. As President, we *will* hold ourselves to a higher standard."

El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

Weak. Hella weak.

Liberal Elite: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Don't step up; you're responding to a very crude attempt at trolling.

El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

pancakes!

El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

Who said scum can't have a valid point?

El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

So... Gingrich is generally wrong until he makes a valid point, and then he has made a valid point.

Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy logical consistency.

sigh Damn, too late.

LiquidTester: El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

Who said scum can't have a valid point?

well, scum is usually wet and slimey without sharp edges or points

feckingmorons: I thought the Democrats were the party of inclusion and equality. Disenfranchising Florida voters sure will not help Obama win...

You realize this talking point makes no sense now, right? Florida was punished in the exact same way by the RNC.

El_Dan: Democrats are funny. Gingrich is the scum of the earth until he says something they agree with, and suddenly he has a valid point. Which is it?

O NOES A FLIP FLOP

It's called cooperation, dumbass. Maybe you haven't heard of it. It means putting aside your differences when you can actually manage to agree on something.

DSamn, I knew that this outsourcing crap was getting alittle out of hand, but vice president? Customer support is one thing, but this crosses the line.

/I always thought that the first Indian president would be the headBAND type, not headDOT.

feckingmorons: Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

WTF does that even mean?

Unright: feckingmorons: Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

WTF does that even mean?

WTF indeed. It IS a little early to be talking about Festivus.

Didn't John McCain once dislike agents of intolerance?

But yes, Newton LeRoy? what kind of American names their kid Newt? He's probably a Canadian.

McCain wins because he's a real American and Obama is from Frenchland! Duuuuh! ;)

Bucky Katt: Unright: feckingmorons: Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

WTF does that even mean?

WTF indeed. It IS a little early to be talking about Festivus.

I mean, he IS black, I'm sure his poll can do quite a bit of swinging.

Bucky Katt: Unright: feckingmorons: Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

WTF does that even mean?

WTF indeed. It IS a little early to be talking about Festivus.

Festivus? I was thinking it was a little late for Beltane.

What has Newt won lately? The guy thought he could win seats by launching a witchhunt on Clinton in 1998.

Newt is a concern troll. McCain wins by 14.

The more Obama campaigns somewhere, the worse he does.

He never topped a majority in a state he spent a lot of time in during the primary.

McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts. Obama never saw a poll he didn't swing towards.

McCain will lose because he has to change his shorts six times a day--more frequently if he has prunes for breakfast. What substance is in there is of about the same consistency.

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Any day now they are going to roll out that ad with the wolves and it will be all over except for finding out what McCain really thinks about God, guns and abortion.

Is that like acid, amnesty and abortion?

Axolotl These are actual free pancakes
The pancakes are a lie.

McCainDemocrat: The more Obama campaigns somewhere, the worse he does.

He never topped a majority in a state he spent a lot of time in during the primary.

Pack it up, kids; it's crap time.

Not that it was full of intelligent and reasoned discourse in the first place.

The only way McCain will win is if a majority of the American people trust him more than they trust Obama. Experience may be a part of that, but it won't be the only part.

Right now, he's got an uphill climb. And there's no way he can get around the charge of being a flip-flopper, because he has been. You really can't spend 20+ years in the Senate and not change your position, especially after a world-altering event like 9/11. Obama is going to excoriate him with that. If he can't come up with good enough answers, he'll be in trouble.

The odds are stacked against McCain, but he still has a shot. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Dr. Farkenstein: feckingmorons: McCain will win because he has substance and not simply feel good talking points that change as often as his shorts.

McCain's flourishing flip-flop list (^)

McCain flip-flops on torture (^)

Welcome to McCain's flip-flop express (^)

It looks like your statement is demonstrably false, feckingmorons. Any other lies you'd care to mention?

Want another lie, Obama is black.

He is no more black than he is white.

Take a glass of coke, pour half out. Replace it with milk. Taste it.

Is it coke, nope. Is it milk, nope.

It is mixed and terrible. Just like Obama.

Solon Isonomia: we_hates: This court decision is a disaster, which could cost us a city. And the debate ought to be over whether or not you're prepared to risk losing an American city on behalf of five lawyers - it was a 5-4 decision. Five lawyers had decided that the Supreme Court counts more than the Congress and the president combined in national security.

First, it's habeas. Second, Good God I'm sick of the fearmongering.

Don't forget what came next:

"That ought to be a principled argument between McCain and Obama, about whether or not you're prepared to allow any random nut-case district judge, who has no knowledge of national security, to set the rules for terrorists."

Being an elitist attorney, I don't trust a bunch of paranoid laypeople to interpret the law - this just makes me feel sick.


I don't agree with the recent SCOTUS decision about Gitmo. However we cannot as a nation go wrong by giving people more rights.

Joliet_Jake: feckingmorons: I thought the Democrats were the party of inclusion and equality. Disenfranchising Florida voters sure will not help Obama win...

You realize this talking point makes no sense now, right? Florida was punished in the exact same way by the RNC.


Yes, but they were not punished with a baby.

/I'm sorry were you expecting reasoned discussion?
//It does say fark.com in the address bar does it not?

feckingmorons:

Take a glass of coke, pour half out. Replace it with milk. Taste it.

Is it coke, nope. Is it milk, nope.

It is mixed and terrible. Just like Obama.

Add 2 ounces of vodak and rum, and you have a tasty drink!

feckingmorons: Want another lie, Obama is black.

He is no more black than he is white.

Take a glass of coke, pour half out. Replace it with milk. Taste it.

Is it coke, nope. Is it milk, nope.

It is mixed and terrible. Just like Obama.

feckingmorons: Take a glass of coke, pour half out. Replace it with milk. Taste it.
Is it coke, nope. Is it milk, nope.
It is mixed and terrible. Just like Obama.

A half and half mixture of Coke and milk is one of my favorite drinks.
I'm an Obama supporter.
Coincidence?

It is a little scary that Gingrich talks about Rev. Wright and Ayers as-if they are on-par with such issues as "raising taxes" and "policy stances".

He is basically saying, Republicans have to manufacture more B.S. than their typical lies about Democrats raising taxes (on everyone), being pussies who refuse to defend our country (against countries who never threatened us) and giving away everything (to everyone but you)...

feckingmorons: I don't agree with the recent SCOTUS decision about Gitmo. However we cannot as a nation go wrong by giving people more rights.

Eh, the court is determined to say "If you detain someone within American territory you have to either treat them as a civilian with constitutional rights or as a prisoner of war with Geneva Convention rights."