This picture tells me pretty much everything I need to know about McCain.

1. McCain has the election locked up thanks the Democrat Party behaving as it typically does and squandering what should have been the easiest Democrat Party win since 1976.

2. Historians really shouldn't be predicting the future, but Lichtman's model, like most models, isn't going to be accurate because of the Bradley Effect and this being the first time a candidate's race has ever been an issue. There is simply no historical comparison for this race (it would be the same for an open New Atheist, woman, homosexual, Jew, etc). The only candidate that comes close is Al Smith (1928), who lost because of prejudice in addition to his liberalistic policies. Obama has zero chance of winning. He has already hit a ceiling. All McCain has to do is not lose support and the election is his.

whiskeyinthejar: This picture tells me pretty much everything I need to know about McCain.

8 years ago I would have voted for John McCain. If he'd been the nominee, I would have voted for him instead of Al Gore. Now, I have some serious misgivings about him because he's so willing to embrace the same people who said some horrible, rotten things about him in the 2000 election and who are either responsible or exacerbated the mess we're in now.

And that realization, quite honestly, saddens me.

/Registered Independent

"This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory," said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006.

Assuming the Democrats don't all start acting like Democrats and fark up a sure bet, yeah - they should win this election. McCain's best shot at the white house was Hillary winning the DNC nomination. Obama is/was his worst case scenario. Not to mention his worst nightmare.

Not that i'm an Obama voter....but I simply cannot see a way for McCain to win this election. Unless Obama screws up badly (and I mean REALLY badly), he's going to win this race.

McCain will be dead in two years.
Natural causes.

Don't forget you read it here first.

John McCain invaded my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother's village and murdered almost her entire clan with an axe. Some say he also raped their sheep and stold their winter oat supply but that's just more rumours.

mrEdude: McCain will be dead in two years.
Natural causes.

Don't forget you read it here first.

I think we're witnessing him develop Alzheimer's as this campaign goes on.

mrEdude: McCain will be dead in two years.
Natural causes.

Don't forget you read it here first.

Thanks for the tip, Nostradamus.

Suicidal Writer: 1. McCain has the election locked up thanks the Democrat Party behaving as it typically does and squandering what should have been the easiest Democrat Party win since 1976.

2. Historians really shouldn't be predicting the future, but Lichtman's model, like most models, isn't going to be accurate because of the Bradley Effect and this being the first time a candidate's race has ever been an issue. There is simply no historical comparison for this race (it would be the same for an open New Atheist, woman, homosexual, Jew, etc). The only candidate that comes close is Al Smith (1928), who lost because of prejudice in addition to his liberalistic policies. Obama has zero chance of winning. He has already hit a ceiling. All McCain has to do is not lose support and the election is his.

November 5th: You Eat Crow.

Suicidal Writer:



Just keep trying! You just gotta BELIEVE in yourself!
=Smidge=

Weaver95:

Assuming the Democrats don't all start acting like Democrats and fark up a sure bet, yeah - they should win this election. McCain's best shot at the white house was Hillary winning the DNC nomination. Obama is/was his worst case scenario. Not to mention his worst nightmare.

Not that i'm an Obama voter....but I simply cannot see a way for McCain to win this election. Unless Obama screws up badly (and I mean REALLY badly), he's going to win this race.

Irony is that McCain has been laying more screw-up lately than Obama. I mean at least Obama has the mindset to do damage control with Wright and his church. McCain is spiraling out of control of farkups it's like asking yourself, "What can he fark up now?

FunkOut: John McCain invaded my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother's village and murdered almost her entire clan with an axe. Some say he also raped their sheep and stold their winter oat supply but that's just more rumours.

I've got to leave for work in a bit, but could someone please please please shop a young McCain's head onto a raging viking?

Korag_The_Nasty: Where is McCainDemocrat? It's just not a political thread without one of his trollariffic posts.

He put himself on his ignore list, resulting in an inverted dilated sub-space total protonic reversal.

To be honest with you, the more this election gets painted as a sure thing the more I begin to worry.

How many people will decide not to contribute? How many will decide that since this election is already won that they do not need to support Obama or even bother voting?

Two things I can tell you about John McCain is that he will be running right until the end and a few of the people working on his campaign are some of the sleaziest bastards to ever Swiftboat an election.

Let's not follow the stupidity of the past. Let's make sure we keep this on the straight and narrow. After the inauguration we can party - and not before.

Random Reality Check: To be honest with you, the more this election gets painted as a sure thing the more I begin to worry.

How many people will decide not to contribute? How many will decide that since this election is already won that they do not need to support Obama or even bother voting?

Two things I can tell you about John McCain is that he will be running right until the end and a few of the people working on his campaign are some of the sleaziest bastards to ever Swiftboat an election.

Let's not follow the stupidity of the past. Let's make sure we keep this on the straight and narrow. After the inauguration we can party - and not before.

I'm with you.

Of course not. The old people that can't use computers, and angry women voters are small in numbers.

If you give Obama Kerry's states +IA he sure has a lot of outs to win. he could...

win ohio
win virginia
win missouri
win New Mexico/colorado
win north carolina (long shot but I'll toss it in there)

given McCains campaign prowess (or lack of), I like those odds.

whiskeyinthejar: This picture tells me pretty much everything I need to know about McCain.

He likes to hug?

evilotto: I like those odds.

A lot of us are betting on it.

http://donate.barackobama.com

ClicheGuevara07: November 5th: You Eat Crow.

I wish I was wrong, and I wish Obama could win, but all the wishing in the world is not going to alter reality, and the right will still have a sympathetic agent in the White House, and America will have gone through 44 presidents without a single leftist.

Suicidal Writer: ClicheGuevara07: November 5th: You Eat Crow.

I wish I was wrong, and I wish Obama could win, but all the wishing in the world is not going to alter reality, and the right will still have a sympathetic agent in the White House, and America will have gone through 44 presidents without a single leftist.

Concern troll is concerned.

evilotto: If you give Obama Kerry's states +IA he sure has a lot of outs to win. he could...

win ohio
win virginia
win missouri
win New Mexico/colorado
win north carolina (long shot but I'll toss it in there)

given McCains campaign prowess (or lack of), I like those odds.

I read somewhere that a grad student figured out that there are ~55 trillion ways to win the electoral college vote. This being Fark, I think we should discuss all of them.

/If McCain wins Rhode Island, Kentucky, North Dakota and half of Nebraska...

Korag_The_Nasty: Remember that eight years ago, Dennis Miller used to be a funny guy, railing against the GOP for being "too weird and too mean".

Now, he's a washed-up turncoat, performing like a dancing monkey for those same weird, mean people, and falling flat on his ass anyway.

Same thing with McCain, with the same eventual fate.



THE MILLER'S CROSSING. (new window)

Suicidal Writer: ClicheGuevara07: November 5th: You Eat Crow.

I wish I was wrong, and I wish Obama could win, but all the wishing in the world is not going to alter reality, and the right will still have a sympathetic agent in the White House, and America will have gone through 44 presidents without a single leftist.

If you look at 20thh century presidents who held the White House on the leftist side as you put it, I would point out that certain guys like FDR, JFK, LBJ, and Clinton have gotten us out of some very dark ages. And would you look at that, Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush sent us back to the dark ages that we struggled to get out of. So you want another Dark Age president that's what you get with McCain, or do you want to get outta the dark?

>> I wish I was wrong, and I wish Obama could win,

You may not be wrong but you are an idiot.

It's amazing i have to tell you this but...

Newsflash - you can't predict the future.

Korag_The_Nasty: Now, he's a washed-up turncoat, performing like a dancing monkey for those same weird, mean people, and falling flat on his ass anyway.

This is why partisan politics hold the country back. How can you be a turncoat for viewing the world differently? He didn't even change that much accept for foreign policy. He's always been a social liberal. He was scarred by 9/11, like many people, and I suspect, but can't prove, that he got fed up with the neo-cons years ago, but had to save face.

Plus, I suspect, but can't prove, that he learned that right-wingers, as a group, don't get edgy humor. Name two funny right-wingers. Heck, name two who don't play-up the "I'm a working-class dumbass" stereotype. It's like trying to find a socialist on Wall St. or a Quaker at the Pentagon.

Suicidal Writer: It's like trying to find a socialist on Wall St. or a Quaker at the Pentagon.

Wasn't Nixon from Quaker stock?

Bob16: Newsflash - you can't predict the future.

I knew you were going to say that.

LosinMySenses: FDR, JFK, LBJ, and Clinton

None of these presidents were remotely leftist. Not even close. FDR was a bourgeois liberal. JFK was a liberal hawk. LBJ was a moderate hawk. Clinton was a centrist.

The closest we have gotten to a leftist president was the great Eugene V. Debs.

The leftist movement was picking up steam but leftist party planks* were adopted by the Democrat Party and later the Republican Party, and the leftist parties disbanded, save for some nominal vestiges. The idea to infiltrate the parties seemed reasonable, but was unsustainable in the end, and the country's rightward lurch was pretty much ineluctable. So the fact that there is no viable leftist movement, nor leftist politician (outside of Bernie Sanders possibly) on the national stage, is partially the fault of the infiltration technique.

*"Norman Thomas and Gus Hall, the U.S. Communist Party Candidate, both quit American politics, agreeing that the Republican and Democratic parties by 1970 had adopted every plank on the Communist/Socialist and they no longer had an alternate party platform on which to run"
LibertyTree (new window)

FunkOut: Wasn't Nixon from Quaker stock?

Yep, that sociopath was indeed descended from a Quaker mother (IIRC, his father was a convert).

you know, though I still think McCain would lose, I used to think he'd at least give Obama a run for his money. Now? Christ, it's embarrassing to watch him. What would've been a 52-48 split is now at least 55-45.

McCain will lose because:

a. he's too firmly associated with Bush, even to the point where he's taking tips from Rove.

b. the evangelical bloc of republicans isn't iffy on supporting him.

c. the war. Yes, it is a big issue, and one could even agree with his stance... but where does he stand on the economy? McCain's put all his chips in on just his stance on Iraq, a ballsy move in and of itself, and has seemingly ignored any other issue. Definitely not a good move when the Democrats and Obama are going to, rightfully, start linking the war with the failing economy.

Korag_The_Nasty: "Benedict Arnold"

- There would have been no America without Arnold.

- He was a hero who was betrayed by his countrymen, and his actions were honorable.

- America, itself, was about as traitorous as the confederacy a century later.

Mentat: This being Fark, I think we should discuss all of them.

Nah, I'll leave that to the guys at fivethirtyeight; they have some interesting breakdowns of the odds.

Suicidal Writer: ClicheGuevara07: November 5th: You Eat Crow.

I wish I was wrong, and I wish Obama could win, but all the wishing in the world is not going to alter reality, and the right will still have a sympathetic agent in the White House, and America will have gone through 44 presidents without a single leftist.

Any reality is an opinion...

Yup, and they said there was little hope for Obama vs. Hillary, too.

Never underestimate America's ability to vote for mean old white guys.

Some math for ya.

50% of people in the US actually vote.
Bush's approval rating is 28%

99% of the 28% that support Bush will vote. It's going to be really close. MCSAME is going to do well promoting a 3rd Bush term.

Sad but true...

Suicidal Writer: Korag_The_Nasty: Now, he's a washed-up turncoat, performing like a dancing monkey for those same weird, mean people, and falling flat on his ass anyway.

This is why partisan politics hold the country back. How can you be a turncoat for viewing the world differently? He didn't even change that much accept for foreign policy. He's always been a social liberal. He was scarred by 9/11, like many people, and I suspect, but can't prove, that he got fed up with the neo-cons years ago, but had to save face.

Plus, I suspect, but can't prove, that he learned that right-wingers, as a group, don't get edgy humor. Name two funny right-wingers. Heck, name two who don't play-up the "I'm a working-class dumbass" stereotype. It's like trying to find a socialist on Wall St. or a Quaker at the Pentagon.

You are seriously the biggest farktard on the internets. Do not pass go, just turn off your computer and kill yourself or use it strictly for porn and music. Only asses make empty assumptions and that is clearly all you're doing in this and most every other thread...

Funny right-wingers? Stephen Colbert, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck...I'm not even going to go on because the definition of funny changes from person to person. There is no set criteria for something/someone being funny...

Jambuu: Funny right-wingers? Stephen Colbert (not a conservative,), Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck (not even remotely funny,)...I'm not even going to go on because the definition of funny changes from person to person. There is no set criteria for something/someone being funny...

Failtacular.

Jambuu: Funny right-wingers? Stephen Colbert

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

breathe...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't know anyone who never got a joke/sarcasm for 3 years.

2 words:
2 old

Suicidal Writer: 1. McCain has the election locked up thanks the Democrat Party behaving as it typically does and squandering what should have been the easiest Democrat Party win since 1976.

BZZZT!!! "democrat party?" once again, Suicidal Writer outs himself/herself as a wingnut "operation chaos" automaton. hell, he/she/it is probably just another alt for danlpoon/McCainDemocrat.

OK, President Dubya's terms have been bad, but "the dark ages"? That's a little harsh....

Exodus2001: Some math for ya.

50% of people in the US actually vote.
Bush's approval rating is 28%

99% of the 28% that support Bush will vote. It's going to be really close. MCSAME is going to do well promoting a 3rd Bush term.

Sad but true...

Do you have any source for those stats? Really, I'd love to see them. Otherwise, please don't post your psychic predictions anymore unless you are willing to label them as such.

Sen. McCain, as the presumptive nominee, has had three entire months without interference to craft a coherent, focused message. He has not done so. He cannot win on his own. Sen. Obama can certainly lose, but McCain cannot win.