Uh. Good. I'd like to see him as VP or at the very least AG. Just as long as he's involved.

/former Edwards supporter

Yeah, he'd be a good choice, though I agree he might be more effective as AG. We're going to need a good one in there to clean up the mess that the toadies and asskissers Bush has shoved into that office left behind.

It's similar to the reason why I don't think Bill Richardson should be VP either: I'd like to see him as Sec. of State.

jake_lex: Yeah, he'd be a good choice, though I agree he might be more effective as AG. We're going to need a good one in there to clean up the mess that the toadies and asskissers Bush has shoved into that office left behind.

It's similar to the reason why I don't think Bill Richardson should be VP either: I'd like to see him as Sec. of State.

I don't think trial lawyers are as suited to the AG spot as prosecutors are. Fitzgerald for AG. Edwards for Sec of Labor.

I like Edwards. I am not sure he is right as the VP candidate, but I sure hope he has a high level place in the administration if Obama wins.

Oh me, oh my, there would be lots of soiled shorts in D.C. if Mr. Edwards became A.G..

I figured it'd be a great pick just based on how they looked together when Edwards was finally sure who was going to win the nomination so that he could endorse somebody - like two young guys (relatively) coming to take out the old man trash in Washington. Clinton-Gore 1992 all over again.

Wouldn't do much to soften the Obama "elitist" critics, what with the $400 haircuts and all.

Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Edsel: Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Where ya getting those?

BTW, check out the comments on that article. I honor the place where Fark trolls and YouTube commenters become one.

Ooo Edwards and Obama means double the eye candy.

/GO OBAMA!!!

Persepolis: Wouldn't do much to soften the Obama "elitist" critics, what with the $400 haircuts and all.

I'm 100% convinced that ANYONE calling him "elitist" was never going to vote for him to begin with.

Persepolis Quote 2008-06-15 07:30:34 PM
Wouldn't do much to soften the Obama "elitist" critics, what with the $400 haircuts and all.


but but but... SON OF A MILL WORKER!!!

Persepolis: Wouldn't do much to soften the Obama "elitist" critics, what with the $400 haircuts and all.


Who at the level of being considered for Pres/VP couldn't be percieved as an "elitist"? It's such a ridiculous issue, do people REALLY buy into that?? ... shudder...

dangelder: Where ya getting those?

Survey USA website, just scroll down a little to hypothetical VP matchups.

they were saying the same thing back in 2004 and he couldnt even carry his own tiny home state(s). yes, barack, you'll need a whitey to balance out the ticket, but johnny eds still has 'fail' written all over him.

"that's not the john edwards I knew"

dangelder: Edsel: Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Where ya getting those?

BTW, check out the comments on that article. I honor the place where Fark trolls and YouTube commenters become one.

Depending on McCain's running mate...

Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)

Edsel: dangelder: Where ya getting those?

Survey USA website, just scroll down a little to hypothetical VP matchups.

Edsel: v. dangelder - who can be the laziest?!?

robsul82: dangelder: Edsel: Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Where ya getting those?

BTW, check out the comments on that article. I honor the place where Fark trolls and YouTube commenters become one.

Depending on McCain's running mate...

Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)

The thing is that only MO and OH are really strong pulls among that batch... he should alrady be winning OR, MN, WI, and IA. But if he DID have a lock on MO and OH, damn, that's the election right there. Bye-bye McCain.

robsul82:, you spoiled my little reindeer game.

Woot!

Confession Time:

Since mid-2006, I wanted Obama to win the nomination, but never thought he had a snowballs chance in hell. I was actually really hoping the Edwards would win vs. Clinton and pick Obama as VP, since I never could imagine him carrying the ticket....

My how I was wrong. I'd like to see Edwards on the ticket, but I really doubt he brings a whole lot to the ticket. IMHO, anyone who gets destroyed by Cheney in a debate on live TV = going to have trouble...

/I still consider Obama an underdog. This country has not increased in intelligence since 2004.

TheOther: Edsel: dangelder: Where ya getting those?

Survey USA website, just scroll down a little to hypothetical VP matchups.

Edsel: v. dangelder - who can be the laziest?!?

Hey, at least I went to the trouble of typing in "www.surveyusa.com" for MYSELF.

Anyway, robsul82 put us both to shame!

robsul82: dangelder: Edsel: Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Where ya getting those?

BTW, check out the comments on that article. I honor the place where Fark trolls and YouTube commenters become one.

Depending on McCain's running mate...

Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)

You forgot Virginia. :)

YOU FORGOT POLAND!

Name recognition. People don't know who Kathleen Sabelius is, but damned if they don't know who John Edwards is.

And a good thing for Edwards too. After all, look at all the good it did for Hillary Clintoooooohhhhhh boy.

I Said: I'm 100% convinced that ANYONE calling him "elitist" was never going to vote for him to begin with.

That's a good point. BUt you also have to consider that there's a good percentage of voters that don't go around calling him elitist, but will by into it if the media parrots that talking point enough.

...well you know honey... they do say that obama's an elitist.... and what with gas prices what they are....

TheTco: Who at the level of being considered for Pres/VP couldn't be percieved as an "elitist"? It's such a ridiculous issue, do people REALLY buy into that?? ... shudder...

They all can be percieved as elitists, but that's not what they're all sold as. Hell, Bush probably has as elitist of a background as anyone in politics, but his campaign was built around "that brush clearing cowboy you'd love to have a beer with"

Between McCain and Obama, I think people will have an easier time (and have been having an easier time) painting Obama as an elitist.

Adding Edwards on the ticket will just make it that much easier.

I totally agree with you. It's a meaningless term that can apply to every candidate ever, but you have to realistically consider what the majority of the electorate think like, and what they're swayed by. Unfortunately, these meaningless terms shape the world we live in because of this.

Neurochemist: /I still consider Obama an underdog. This country has not increased in intelligence since 2004.

there's a reason you arrogant pricks get your lunch eaten every four years, and you personify it.

Yeah, when those Survey USA polls were published last week, I had a pretty good sense this was going to happen.

robsul82: Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)


if they decided elections with polls, you guys would be arguing over john kerry's re-election chances.

thanks god they don't.

WTF? -Flaw Detected in System

No way...Obama/Hitler would win Michigan against McCain/Jesus.

Edsel: robsul82: dangelder: Edsel: Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Where ya getting those?

BTW, check out the comments on that article. I honor the place where Fark trolls and YouTube commenters become one.

Depending on McCain's running mate...

Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)

The thing is that only MO and OH are really strong pulls among that batch... he should alrady be winning OR, MN, WI, and IA. But if he DID have a lock on MO and OH, damn, that's the election right there. Bye-bye McCain.

I agree on OR and MN, I just included those because talking heads on the 24/7s have started making noise about their possibly being swing states. Much like Jersey, they love to say "OH IT'S GONNA TURN RED!" and then it never happens.

With WI and IA, actually, Kerry lost IA and only won WI by 0.38%. So an 8-15 point lead in Wisconsin, along with 12-26 in Iowa, is noteworthy.

Sulfus: robsul82: dangelder: Edsel: Damn, those SUSA results are crazy. How the hell does Edwards give Obama such a whopping boost? He couldn't win a single state by himself.

Where ya getting those?

BTW, check out the comments on that article. I honor the place where Fark trolls and YouTube commenters become one.

Depending on McCain's running mate...

Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)

You forgot Virginia. :)

Virginia, you say?

Obama/Edwards wins Virginia by 9 to 18 points (new window)

Persepolis: ...but you have to realistically consider what the majority of the electorate think like, and what they're swayed by.

I hate to think that the majority of the electorate get caught up in these silly "elitist" debates.

Even in 2008 America, I'd like to think that we haven't become THAT stupid.

captain_napalm: robsul82: Obama/Edwards wins Missouri by 3 to 11 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Oregon by 10 to 17 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Minnesota by 7 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Wisconsin by 8 to 15 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Iowa by 12 to 26 points (new window)

Obama/Edwards wins Ohio by 12 to 18 points (new window)


if they decided elections with polls, you guys would be arguing over john kerry's re-election chances.

thanks god they don't.

Cross your fingers and keep touching yourself.

captain_napalm: Neurochemist: /I still consider Obama an underdog. This country has not increased in intelligence since 2004.

there's a reason you arrogant pricks get your lunch eaten every four years, and you personify it.

I have not decided who I will vote for in November, but reading comments like the above really get annoying. Reading threads related to Obama, Toyota Prius, and the iPhone all read the same. People who use/support those three have usually have a very condescending tone when talking about the subject.

/Not all Obama Supporters, Prius drivers, iPhone users
//Just the one who say they are smarter for doing so

Edsel: Hey, at least I went to the trouble of typing in "www.surveyusa.com" for MYSELF.

heh...you lose, then.

Congratulations Edsel, you magnificent lazy bastard!

mandrsn1: captain_napalm: Neurochemist: /I still consider Obama an underdog. This country has not increased in intelligence since 2004.

there's a reason you arrogant pricks get your lunch eaten every four years, and you personify it.

I have not decided who I will vote for in November, but reading comments like the above really get annoying. Reading threads related to Obama, Toyota Prius, and the iPhone all read the same. People who use/support those three have usually have a very condescending tone when talking about the subject.

/Not all Obama Supporters, Prius drivers, iPhone users
//Just the one who say they are smarter for doing so

Fark the iPhone. But with $5.00 gas on the horizon I think the Prius drivers might actually *be* smarter than the rest of us.

Edwards would appeal not only to millworkers, but those who know millworkers. He would also be helpful for the trial lawyer demographic.

Despite this, I think Obama could probably do better with his VP pick.

I'm willing to bet Edwards would've won in Appalachia had he still been running. Those so-called "blue collar white voters" are Edwards' base, not Hillary's. Compared to all of the other veep candidates, Edwards brings the most to the ticket while presenting few (if any) risks since he was already vetted for the job in 2004. On top of all this, his message is very similar to Obama's but geared more towards a white working-class audience. They would be foolish not to put him on the ticket.

TheTco: Persepolis: ...but you have to realistically consider what the majority of the electorate think like, and what they're swayed by.

I hate to think that the majority of the electorate get caught up in these silly "elitist" debates.

Even in 2008 America, I'd like to think that we haven't become THAT stupid.

I'd like to too. But have you seen the media outlets/message boards on the internet/people in society recently?

These are the issues the majority of people are talking about.

ZOMG... Obama is an elitist Muslim who goes to a racist Church and McCain is like, really old and he uses the C-word.

So while I'd like to think we haven't become THAT stupid (your words. I would aruge that people in groups have always been, and will always be THAT stupid) I think we are indeed at that point.

I'd also like a piece of her:



To quote the Stones, you can't always get what you want.

/and all you haters bite me. I like Rachel Ray.

mandrsn1: captain_napalm: Neurochemist: /I still consider Obama an underdog. This country has not increased in intelligence since 2004.

there's a reason you arrogant pricks get your lunch eaten every four years, and you personify it.

I have not decided who I will vote for in November, but reading comments like the above really get annoying. Reading threads related to Obama, Toyota Prius, and the iPhone all read the same. People who use/support those three have usually have a very condescending tone when talking about the subject.

/Not all Obama Supporters, Prius drivers, iPhone users
//Just the one who say they are smarter for doing so

Obama Supporters, Prius drivers, and iPhone users typically catch their share of flack for being Obama Supporters, Prius drivers, and iPhone users in and of themselves.

It's human nature to feed inferiority complexes or become reactionaries to them.

But really? Have you seen an Iphone? I don't have one, but it's the sexiest chrome bar of soap in existence.

Edsel: The thing is that only MO and OH are really strong pulls among that batch... he should alrady be winning OR, MN, WI, and IA.

When did Iowa become such a blue bastion?

mandrsn1: I have not decided who I will vote for in November, but reading comments like the above really get annoying. Reading threads related to Obama, Toyota Prius, and the iPhone all read the same. People who use/support those three have usually have a very condescending tone when talking about the subject.

What do you think about the numerous posts in most threads where people call everyone who supports Obama a cultist, or something similar. If that isn't condescension, I don't know what is.

DarnoKonrad: But really? Have you seen an Iphone? I don't have one, but it's the sexiest chrome bar of soap in existence.

I got one as a gift when I quit a job at Motorola. I really don't like it. I would rather have a blackberry.

TheOther: Edsel: The thing is that only MO and OH are really strong pulls among that batch... he should alrady be winning OR, MN, WI, and IA.

When did Iowa become such a blue bastion?

True. Plus the Wisconsin-isn't-a-safeland-of-liberalism-either fact.

robsul82: TheOther: Edsel: The thing is that only MO and OH are really strong pulls among that batch... he should alrady be winning OR, MN, WI, and IA.

When did Iowa become such a blue bastion?

True. Plus the Wisconsin-isn't-a-safeland-of-liberalism-either fact.

It's not that they're "blue bastions", but they're Obama bastions. He's been consistently up in both states throughout and should win them both without any VP help.

Edsel: robsul82: TheOther: Edsel: The thing is that only MO and OH are really strong pulls among that batch... he should alrady be winning OR, MN, WI, and IA.

When did Iowa become such a blue bastion?

True. Plus the Wisconsin-isn't-a-safeland-of-liberalism-either fact.

It's not that they're "blue bastions", but they're Obama bastions. He's been consistently up in both states throughout and should win them both without any VP help.

Like I said, just based on Kerry's performance in 2004 and talking head chatter, I felt they should be included.

we_hates: What do you think about the numerous posts in most threads where people call everyone who supports Obama a cultist, or something similar. If that isn't condescension, I don't know what is.

That is very true too. I think I just get more offended when the attack is against me. I.E. if I don't vote for Obama I can't be intelligent. Attacks against the candidates are expected. But the broad generalization that approximately half of America must be retarded for voting for McCain, while the other half are Rhodes Scholars, gets annoying.

/I don't really care for either candidate

DarnoKonrad: But really? Have you seen an Iphone? I don't have one, but it's the sexiest chrome bar of soap in existence.

I bought my girlie an iPod Touch. Same awesome weird future thing, better if she doesn't need a phone or camera

Persepolis: but you have to realistically consider what the majority of the electorate think like, and what they're swayed by.

I'm swayed by hair. It must be nice.