Nice to see he's doing better than Paul's people did with Kane's endorsement- using it as an amusing anecdote rather than seriously touting it.

And that looks to be about as clear a statement as you can expect on drugs from Barr. He has absolutely no future outside the LP now, so he appears to have decided to go the whole nine yards and espouse a libertarian (granted, moderate right-libertarian but still libertarian) message rather than a disgruntled conservative one.

Oh, and professional wrestling is hands down one of the most retarded things to ever become popular on this planet, and I still cringed to see Barr name-dropping him.

Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

Coronach: Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

can't attack the message, attack the messenger.

Or did you want to discuss the failure of the War on drugs...?

And so is the war of poverty. I mean seriously... how hard is it really to kill poor people. Its not like we can't find their lazy butts.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: And so is the war of poverty. I mean seriously... how hard is it really to kill poor people. Its not like we can't find their lazy butts.

nah, we just bankrupted the country to fund social security and grow an underclass of poor people who will never break the cycle of dependency. somehow this was considered 'compassionate'. I don't even pretend to understand it.

Weaver95: Snowflake Tubbybottom: And so is the war of poverty. I mean seriously... how hard is it really to kill poor people. Its not like we can't find their lazy butts.

nah, we just bankrupted the country to fund social security and grow an underclass of poor people who will never break the cycle of dependency. somehow this was considered 'compassionate'. I don't even pretend to understand it.

So, Weaver, are you gonna vote for Barr? I'm not going to pretend he's perfect by any means, but he does seem to have come a long way.

Churchill2004: So, Weaver, are you gonna vote for Barr? I'm not going to pretend he's perfect by any means, but he does seem to have come a long way.

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I've got plenty of time to decide tho.

Weaver95: Churchill2004: So, Weaver, are you gonna vote for Barr? I'm not going to pretend he's perfect by any means, but he does seem to have come a long way.

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I've got plenty of time to decide tho.

I'm still pissed to no end that Root leeched himself onto the ticket like he did. Kubby would have made a much better running mate, and I think that's who Barr would have picked if he'd been given time. Root just sort of went up and announced himself at the end of the fifth round of balloting, while Barr was still working on winning the sixth ballot. I think Barr knows Kubby would have been better- when you watch Root come down after announcing his own candidacy for VP, Barr looks simultaneously dazed because of his imminent win in a highly contentious floor fight, and somewhat bewildered that this loud obnoxious man is claiming to be his running mate.

Anyway, I guess if you're voting LP the running mate doesn't really matter. I just decided to rant a little.

Yes, you do have plenty of time of course. I understand fully why some people are very wary and somewhat dissatisfied with him.

Coronach: Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

C'mon now. Have you forgotten about Cynthia McKiney?

Cog: C'mon now

Yeah, McKinney probably wins Georgia f*cktard of the century.

Weaver95: Snowflake Tubbybottom: And so is the war of poverty. I mean seriously... how hard is it really to kill poor people. Its not like we can't find their lazy butts.

nah, we just bankrupted the country to fund social security a useless war and grow an underclass of poor people who will never break the cycle of dependency. somehow this was considered 'compassionate'. I don't even pretend to understand it.

ftfy

we were doing fine before Dumbass showed up and decided to remake the Middle East on his bank of China credit card. devaluing the dollar ,causing oil prices to rise. then deregulating the mortgage lending industry to create his "ownership society". When that bubble popped everyone went to the next hot ticket item. Oil.
Increasing tension in the ME with all the saber rattling isn't helping either.

and now it looks like the Iraqi govt is tired of us and is about to ask us to leave. They don't like little contract Cheney and his people drew up for them to sign. They've decided to let Iran help them I'd wager.

GoDawgs!: Cog: C'mon now

Yeah, McKinney probably wins Georgia f*cktard of the century.

Can't argue there, but this guy is up there, too-



This one, too-


I could be mistaken, but I think Barr only started to shed the idiocy when he started living in NoVa most of the time after getting out of Congress.

at most, a 30% interception rate of hard drugs.
30%? at best? clearly not doing that hot of a job
and you wonder HOW open our borders are?

um?
riddle me this
what's the interception rate of soft drugs?
I mean seriously
if we suck that bad at coke and smack
what are we at for pot?
1% ??
bwhahahahahaha

/and they say that nam was the last war we lost?

Coronach: Bob Barr Newt Gingrich is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

That's what you meant to say, right?

At least he's admitting he was wrong.

Has he admitted yet that he was wrong about the DOMA act? That's not very libertarian. Has he admitted yet that he was wrong about fighting the rights of Wiccans to practice their religion in the Pentagon?

Being against religious freedom isn't very libertarian either.

I'm a bit skeptical towards this new Bob Barr. I mean, I believe in second chances, but I feel sort of like what people must have thought about Paul of Tarsus.

"Dude...Saul, or Paul..or whatever you call yourself now...didn't you used to persecute these people? What's changed?" I'm skeptical when people do a complete 180 on their political platform.

Granted, in this case..if it's sincere, it's a change in the right direction. I still probably won't vote for the guy, though.

Nobody in their right mind would continue to support this guy. He's changed every single one of his major policy positions over the last couple of years from hardline neoconservative Republican (one of the toughest supporters of the war on drugs, wants to ban all abortions even in the case of rape, wants to ban Wicca in the military...) to moderate Libertarian.

Bob Barr is a test of political douchebaggery. There's no reason for Republicans to support him anymore. There's no reason any Libertarians should. The only people who support Bob Barr are the LP shills, which is ironic because most people who are activists for more parties hate this kind of partisan douchebaggery.

The War on Drugs is over. Halliburtonernie got married to each other and they don't need a Bush in the House. I am so farking high right now.

More people seem to be comming over to the idea that the war on drugs is a failure. We might even see it ended in our lifetime.

Mr Logo: More people seem to be comming over to the idea that the war on drugs is a failure. We might even see it ended in our lifetime.

In our lifetime? Hopefully. Before the Boomers die en masse? Highly bloody unlikely.

Opportunistic charlatan.

The war drugs is largely successful. Its purpose is to put fear into the minds of crack addicts and junkies. To keep them from roaming the streets intoxicated and interfering with normal decent people.

Barr, your stock is rising. Your website doesn't mention separation of church and state, though.

I can't bring myself to support the guy. Something's just not right about him. I feel like hes a wolf in sheep's clothing he did a complete 180 on almost every issue.

dont trust him.

War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror: all failures. Anybody else see a pattern?

Cog: Coronach: Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

C'mon now. Have you forgotten about Cynthia McKiney?

She's crazy, not stupid.

Remember: Green Party = Crazy, Libertarian Party = Stupid. Got that?

That's nice. Has he also apologized for trying to ban practicing wicca in the military? Pander bear is no libertarian.

Barr is a hack. He was fine with the war on drugs when it was politically expedient. Now, he's magically changed his mind... How often do you change your mind on these things? Have you ever thought gay marriage was wrong, and then changed your mind?

Again, Barr is just a hack that'll say anything.

No shiat Sherlock ! Drug money is big time and has worked it's way up the ladder.
The percentages of such things as crime, medical ,unemployment , and money spent on judges and extra police is staggering and a tremendous drain on the economy.
Drugs are big business and there is only one way to get rid of them but we don't have the stomach to do it.

Coronach: Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years


disagrees.

mesohorny: I can't bring myself to support the guy. Something's just not right about him. I feel like hes a wolf in sheep's clothing he did a complete 180 on almost every issue.

dont trust him.

I've been a Libertarian for the past 7 years, including chairman of the Baltimore Libertarian Party for 3 of those years, and I agree. I don't trust him.

jack21221: I've been a Libertarian for the past 7 years, including chairman of the Baltimore Libertarian Party for 3 of those years, and I agree. I don't trust him.

Come on, it only took him 20+ years to figure out it didn't work. I"m sure he was just doing the math for that whole time. It couldn't be that his support for the war on drugs was in any way a cynical support for a policy that he knew didn't work.

Hobodeluxe: Weaver95: Snowflake Tubbybottom: And so is the war of poverty. I mean seriously... how hard is it really to kill poor people. Its not like we can't find their lazy butts.

nah, we just bankrupted the country to fund social security a useless war and grow an underclass of poor people who will never break the cycle of dependency. somehow this was considered 'compassionate'. I don't even pretend to understand it.

ftfy

we were doing fine before Dumbass showed up and decided to remake the Middle East on his bank of China credit card. devaluing the dollar ,causing oil prices to rise. then deregulating the mortgage lending industry to create his "ownership society". When that bubble popped everyone went to the next hot ticket item. Oil.
Increasing tension in the ME with all the saber rattling isn't helping either.

and now it looks like the Iraqi govt is tired of us and is about to ask us to leave. They don't like little contract Cheney and his people drew up for them to sign. They've decided to let Iran help them I'd wager.

I don't blame them.

Echoic:
Bob Barr is a test of political douchebaggery. There's no reason for Republicans to support him anymore. There's no reason any Libertarians should. The only people who support Bob Barr are the LP shills, which is ironic because most people who are activists for more parties hate this kind of partisan douchebaggery.

you're absolutely right, i would love to be able to vote for and to hype up the LP, but i really can't get behind this guy. it would be an acquiescence to complete douchebaggery. living in denver, i should have taken the time to at least go to the LP convention (though i found out late that it was actually here), but if this is the best they can do, then i am content with my decision to go play outside.

/ i mean, THIS!

I don't know sh*t about Bob Barr.... but he's right about the war on drugs.

Weaver95: Churchill2004: So, Weaver, are you gonna vote for Barr? I'm not going to pretend he's perfect by any means, but he does seem to have come a long way.

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I've got plenty of time to decide tho.

How dare you suggest that you do not know which candidate you are going to be voting for!!!111!!!!eleventy

You only have 5 months WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR

/kidding
//voting for Obama

Coronach: Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

You're all so wrong...

/why won't Southern rap die?

Weaver95: Coronach: Bob Barr is the greatest moron that the state of Georgia has produced in many, many years

can't attack the message, attack the messenger.

Or did you want to discuss the failure of the War on drugs...?

He probably doesn't but then neither do you. If you want to debate something do not enter the discussion with the assumption that the position you hold is the absolutely unquestioned truth.

McMahon didn't wait for Congress to pass a law or parade his wrestlers in front of congressional committee hearings; he took the lead and assumed responsibility over the health and welfare of the individuals who work for the WWE.

[...]

That's the beauty of this libertarian solution. It does not take government intervention or our tax dollars.

Is Bob Barr serious? He's using the Wrestling business as an example of how libertarianism can work??!?

I think Kane might want to take a moment to inform Barr about the time that McMahon did have to parade his wrestlers in front of a congressional committee hearing. And maybe he should let him know that the wrestling business is one of the scummiest, dirtiest, nastiest business on the planet and it's only the threat of more Congressional hearings thats keeping McMahon (semi-)honest.

Bob Barr is nothing more than an opportunist. Like most of the politicians of either of the BIG parties he will say anything to get elected. This leopard has not changed his spots. He was a dick as a Republican and will be a dick as a Libertarian.
Looks like I will have to find another party to support this cycle....Maybe the constitution party.

anusofuranus: Bob Barr is nothing more than an opportunist. Like most of the politicians of either of the BIG parties he will say anything to get elected. This leopard has not changed his spots. He was a dick as a Republican and will be a dick as a Libertarian.
Looks like I will have to find another party to support this cycle....Maybe the constitution party.

Hard to believe that Barr thinks he can get elected. Your statement is probably true in the sense that he never really supported the Retardican platform when he was one. At least he is coming clean now in a situation where he doesn't really need to lie anymore.

So he has that going for him.

/gunga, gunga-galunga

I don't know who this fool is...

But it's about time for a moderate libertarian... He won't win obviously, but we need SOMEONE who will fight hard to restore our civil rights and all the erosion on government power after 8 years of Bush.

10x harder to kill a creature of the government than to birth it.

AWWWWWW HECK... just went to the Constitution Party site and found out they seem to be the RELIGION party....well back to being a soul searching for a political home.

shivashakti: Has he admitted yet that he was wrong about the DOMA act? That's not very libertarian. Has he admitted yet that he was wrong about fighting the rights of Wiccans to practice their religion in the Pentagon?

On DOMA, he's renounced the part that created a Federal definition of marriage, but says he still supports the part allowing states to decide whether or not to accept gay marriages from other states on Federal grounds. That's a debatable position, but he does seem to have lost the bigotry and he even applauded the recent California court ruling.

As for the weird religions- consider the fact that one of his competitors for the nomination, who also led the Massachusetts delegation to the convention, described his delegation as "majority pagan" with a straight face. And Barr won over most of them. I doubt his personal opinions about these religions have changed much, but he's renounced don't ask don't tell and most of his "wiccans are evil!" rhetoric.

submitter: Bob Barr: "I was wrong about..."

That should be the start of a damn long list, which should start with "what constitutes a 'high crime or misdemeanor...".

TheOther: That should be the start of a damn long list, which should start with "what constitutes a 'high crime or misdemeanor..."

He's said several times that he didn't want to go after Clinton on the blowjob thing- he originally brought articles of impeachment before the House before any one knew who the hell Lewinsky was on unrelated, wholly asexual matters.

It's easy to forget that Clinton might not have pushed it to some of the most notorious extremes of Bush, but he was no slouch when it came to a limitless view of Presidential power. This is the guy who started a war after Congress considered and rejected authorization for it. Bringing him down for that sort of thing would have been perfectly in line with the libertarian-leaning conservatism of the 1994 "revolution". Barr just made the mistake (not sure if he's admitted it or not), of thinking it'd be worth it to get Clinton on anything.

oryx: War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror

o/` one of these things is not like the other o/`
o/` one of these things here doesn't belong o/`

Decriminalize all drugs and use a percentage of the extra money suddenly left over in government budgets to pay for rehab for those who need it. Then sit back and watch half the criminal gangs in the country evaporate overnight. Fewer murders, fewer property crimes, fewer deaths due to unregulated drugs, no pushers to get kids hooked, no drive-by shootings, etc., etc., etc.

The only reason the "War on Drugs" continues is because people can't admit they've been wrong all along about something they think they believe in. Any rational examination of the issue reveals the obvious course of action, but any time you discuss it, people bring their emotions to the argument and it all goes to shiat immediately.

far_cue: o/` one of these things is not like the other o/`
o/` one of these things here doesn't belong o/`

All of them are miserable failures that have done nothing to defeat their stated "enemies".

Three decades of LBJ's Great Leap Forward did nothing to lower poverty- the return of economic prosperity in the 1990s did. Government programs don't reduce poverty. Prosperity does.