remind me to thank the person who got this whole cheesecake thing going.

/yes i know who it was, i just don't want to get into trouble for bringing up someone's name who hasn't posted in the thread yet.

Obama-flavored cheesecake.

FTA: 'Feminist and historian Doris Weatherford of Seffner will back Obama, but thinks American women lost a historic opportunity when Clinton's campaign ended.'

It may have not have happened this time, but there will be another chance to elect a woman president. Many people have no problem with a woman as president, however, they had a a problem with THAT woman.

A lot of these feminists will come around if Obama's campaign starts circulating an ad simply saying that McBush supports abortion and that he supports their right to choose. That will get a lot of them. If they really think that McBush supports women's rights, they are going to be very surprised.

GAT_00: A lot of these feminists will come around if Obama's campaign starts circulating an ad simply saying that McBush supports abortion and that he supports their right to choose. That will get a lot of them. If they really think that McBush supports women's rights, they are going to be very surprised.

It makes me wonder: if it was Obama vs McCain 2000, would it be a closer race?

NeverDrunk23: It makes me wonder: if it was Obama vs McCain 2000, would it be a closer race?

Without a doubt, yes. McCain still had his moderate tendencies then, as he wasn't made a Republican biatch until around 04-05. And the Hillary people defecting to him would be a real problem.

The fact is that Obama kept quiet about the sexism and allowed for it to happen.

No amount of fearmongering will solve that. And let's be honest, McCain is pro-choice. He has said some things to lean more towards the pro-life side. But he doesn't believe in a ban on Abortion.

Obama failed when it comes to unity. He failed when he refused to denounce the sexism. He failed when he stayed in an anti-American church for 20 years.

The thrill of Obama is gone. He's the Black McGovern.

If you're a Female Clinton voter going to Obama, you're sending the message that sexism is OK.

McCainDemocrat: The fact is that Obama kept quiet about the sexism and allowed for it to happen.

No amount of fearmongering will solve that. And let's be honest, McCain is pro-choice. He has said some things to lean more towards the pro-life side. But he doesn't believe in a ban on Abortion.

Obama failed when it comes to unity. He failed when he refused to denounce the sexism. He failed when he stayed in an anti-American church for 20 years.

The thrill of Obama is gone. He's the Black McGovern.

If you're a Female Clinton voter going to Obama, you're sending the message that sexism is OK.

You still can't believe Hillary lost, can you? I just want you to know that i've been enjoying watching this long, slow slide into insanity that you've been going through. By all means, please - continue! Rant on my brother! And do so secure in the knowledge that I'm enjoying your discomfort....

I was looking into the election from a Canadian perspective and I tended to watch some of the major networks (CNN, MSNBC) coverage of the event. Even in the papers and online articles I read, it was only Clinton who ever brought up the apparent sexism.

It really bugged me how Clinton always brought it up again and again yet I never saw any straight evidence in the papers or articles.

/it just bugged me to no end

McCainDemocrat

Blah, blah, blah.

Hey danlpoon . Or is it McCaintheUniter ? Or Hellbent-Mighty-After-Gospel-Beacon-Leather-Dog-Delight?

As long as there is one inadequate white female still claiming that she will vote for McCain to avenge Queen Hillary's unfair treatment by this stupid men world, rest assured that FOX will find her and interview her.

Weaver95: You still can't believe Hillary lost, can you?

I can't believe that the party which has talked about picking the best person for the job regardless of gender passed over the best candidate due to her gender.

Clinton is the best candidate and she won more votes.

Canadian Canuck: It really bugged me how Clinton always brought it up again and again yet I never saw any straight evidence in the papers or articles.

So it's legitimate to criticize the only female candidate for her looks and tone, while never criticizing other candidates for looks or for being too "cold"?

The attacks against Hillary have largely been sexist. Attacks from people like Keith Olbermann, Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, and David Gregory. David Gregory did something that should have gotten him fired, but they just slapped him on the wrist and gave him a show.

Clinton defended Obama against racist attacks but Obama has refused to defend Clinton against sexist attacks.

McCainDemocrat: passed over the best candidate due to her gender.

Snicker. Just because you say she's the best candidate doesn't make it so. I was raised by a feminist and have several feminist friends. We were all behind Hillary several years ago when we didn't know much about her. Now, none of us would vote for her. It's got everything to do with the fact that she'd be a tyrant and nothing to do with her gender. Sorry to piss in your Kool-Aid.

McCainDemocrat: Clinton defended Obama against racist attacks but Obama has refused to defend Clinton against sexist attacks.

By this do you mean Hillary defended him against Bill's racist attacks?

McCainDemocrat: Weaver95: You still can't believe Hillary lost, can you?

I can't believe that the party which has talked about picking the best person for the job regardless of gender passed over the best candidate due to her gender.

Um...they DID pick whom they felt would be the best person for the job - Obama. Hillary was never going to win the election.

Clinton is the best candidate and she won more votes.

Best candidate? based on what? She's a terrible human being and has zero qualifications for the job. And if she had won more votes, she would have won the election.

Weaver95:
Best candidate? based on what? She's a terrible human being and has zero qualifications for the job. And if she had won more votes, she would have won the election.

B...but...but...VAGINA!

Of course they will vote for Obama over McCain. It is pretty obvious which one of them respects women more. Would you rather be treated the way Barack treats Michelle or the way John has treated his wives?

Weaver95: they DID pick whom they felt would be the best person for the job - Obama.

No. More people voted for Clinton than for Obama. But the system was rigged to give Obama more delegates than he deserved. The caucuses are an anti-Democratic sham.

Weaver95: Best candidate? based on what?

She has more experience than Obama and more accomplishments.

Face it, all Obama has is empty rhetoric. He chants unity but it's obvious that his supporters don't want unity. His supporters hate everybody who refuses to support Obama 100%.

Weaver95: She's a terrible human being

Are you a Former Republican or something? Or does Hillary make you feel inadequate?

Weaver95: and has zero qualifications for the job.

Being a leader for decades, a Senator who does a good job, and someone who knows the stresses of the Presidency isn't enough?

Why do you support Obama? to make you feel better about supporting the Ken Starr Crusades of the 1990s?

verbal_jizm: It's got everything to do with the fact that she'd be a tyrant and nothing to do with her gender.

How so, faux-feminist? Do you prefer your tyrants to have penises?

McCainDemocrat: No. More people voted for Clinton than for Obama. But the system was rigged to give Obama more delegates than he deserved. The caucuses are an anti-Democratic sham.

Hillary lost, so you automatically assume the entire system was somehow rigged? You know, that's interesting....because didn't Bill Clinton win the nomination using that very same system?

She has more experience than Obama and more accomplishments.
Actually, Obama has more time in government service than Hillary does. She doesn't get to count her time as First Lady as 'time in service'. Unless of course, she wanted to count 'servicing' the Billster as 'time in service' but then that would mean Gennifer Flowers and Mz Monica get to claim a government pension as well.

Face it, all Obama has is empty rhetoric. He chants unity but it's obvious that his supporters don't want unity. His supporters hate everybody who refuses to support Obama 100%.

gee. Good think Hillary doesn't have fanatical supporters then, isn't it?

Why do you support Obama? to make you feel better about supporting the Ken Starr Crusades of the 1990s?

I don't support Obama. I just don't support Hillary. The few times she's actually gotten to run anything, she's turned out to be an intolerant paranoid control freak. Putting something like that into the white house would be a bad, bad idea.

mmm chocolate cheesecake.

Hobodeluxe: mmm chocolate cheesecake.

ZOMG! Racist!

I never saw chocolate cheesecake. That actually looks pretty bad.

NeverDrunk23: I never saw chocolate cheesecake.

First had some at the Cheesecake factory (or whatever its called) in Chicago.




The experience was kind of like this

NeverDrunk23: I never saw chocolate cheesecake. That actually looks pretty bad.

never had chocolate cheesecake? You're missing out. That was Kahlua chocolate cheesecake btw but there are a lot of different recipes for it. goes great with coffee after dinner

Party Boy: First had some at the Cheesecake factory (or whatever its called) in Chicago.

did it look like this?

Hobodeluxe: did it look like this?

Thats was about ten years ago. Could be.

Id wager I picked the most got-damned ridiculously chocolatey thing on the menu.

Hobodeluxe: Party Boy: First had some at the Cheesecake factory (or whatever its called) in Chicago.

did it look like this?

That looks really good. But I just lost 5 pounds, so.......

In TF, this thread is about desserts. Liter land will be about politics. I believe I chose correctly.

McCainDemocrat: He chants unity but it's obvious that his supporters don't want unity.

Hillary has endorsed Obama. Why don't you?

Oh, that's right. You don't support unity among Democrats. You're not even a Democrat at all. You're just a pathetic doofus trolling a website, trying to sow "seeds of concern" to prevent the inevitable: A Democratic landslide in November.

NeverDrunk23: That looks really good.

Dyn-o-mite

/♪Ain't we lucky we got 'em ♫ Good Times.

Last night I was at a party where there was a heated debate about cheesecake. I postulated that the craving for it is indeed embedded in a sex-linked gene. All the women got pissed at me when I said that there is no such thing as a woman that dislikes cheesecake, yet men that dislike it aren't terribly difficult to find. I followed it up with a remark that we suffer from pattern baldness, you crave cheesecake. Such is life.

They all quickly conferred and tried to find a woman among them that didn't like cheesecake. Suffice to say they begrudgingly accepted my hypothesis.

Unright: McCainDemocrat: He chants unity but it's obvious that his supporters don't want unity.

Hillary has endorsed Obama. Why don't you?

Oh, that's right. You don't support unity among Democrats. You're not even a Democrat at all. You're just a pathetic doofus trolling a website, trying to sow "seeds of concern" to prevent the inevitable: A Democratic landslide in November.

He's an alt of the same user for the 95th time on Fark. Soon, everyone will have him on ignore and then he'll make a new alt.

doyner: woman among them that didn't like cheesecake.

add in tiramisu. Oh, I'm sure theres some female out there that hates it, but I'm having fun with loose generalities. fark it.

I'm just happy that McCain's cynical plan to poach angry Clinton voters is failing. Obama has made gains and holds majorities with Women and with Latinos now.

But keep on trolling McCainDemocrat, maybe there's someone of the millions of people surfing Fark that believes your obvious lies. Somewhere, someone... right?

Couldnt help it. Took me about 2 secs to find

Unlike most women, I don't like cheesecake.

/damn no causal laws when culture gets mixed in

Party Boy: Couldnt help it. Took me about 2 secs to findUnlike most women, I don't like cheesecake. /damn no causal laws when culture gets mixed in

If you read it it does not say that she actually dislikes all cheesecake. In fact she likes that made by her grandmother and no other will suffice.

McCainDemocrat: So it's legitimate to criticize the only female candidate for her looks and tone, while never criticizing other candidates for looks or for being too "cold"?

Since when did I attack her? I made it clear that from what I saw in the media and the news there are no sexism directed towards her. I saw very fair coverage of both the Democratic candidates. To me, every time I saw the idea of sexism, it was brought up by Clinton or her supporters.

Since the beginning I never supported either candidate because I wanted a change from Clinton and Bush families and I didn't like Obama because his lack of experience. What did me in for Clinton was many of the things she said in the media that just were not at all that smart.

doyner: If you read it it does not say that she actually dislikes all cheesecake.

Um, ok, sec. shouldn't take too long

McCainDemocrat: And let's be honest, McCain is pro-choice. He has said some things to lean more towards the pro-life side. But he doesn't believe in a ban on Abortion.

From McCain's Website:
"John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned"

Link (new window)

Just make sure you know what you're talking about before you start spewing bullshiat around.

Party Boy: she doesnt like it

But she DID like her grandmother's cheesecake.

I know, I'm splitting hairs, but I'm sure you can find some weird man out there that doesn't like a good BJ, too. I'm sticking with my assertion that the craving for cheesecake is firmly embedded in the female genome (for at least 99.999% of them anyway).

Ok, I have a question. How exactly was the Barack Obama conducting a sexist campaign and how was the media sexist in covering him vs. Hillary? I honestly never saw sexism and I remain confused by that statement.

I expect to be trolled into oblivion, with maybe one real answer.

Roe v. Wade has been overturned, by the Casey v. Planned Parenthood decision.

But Pre-Roe America still had legal abortion. What's wrong with giving the abortion issue back to the states?

Canadian Canuck: Since when did I attack her?

I never said you attacked her. Maybe you don't get American media and the Canadian media is fairer. Your country is farther ahead of America in regards to gender. You had a Female Prime Minister after all.

Weaver95: Hillary lost, so you automatically assume the entire system was somehow rigged? You know, that's interesting....because didn't Bill Clinton win the nomination using that very same system?

The system in 1992 had fewer caucuses. Minnesota had a primary. There was a lot less packing together of primaries. Obama won the nomination because he was popular 9 months before the election.

Weaver95: Obama has more time in government service than Hillary does.

You're seriously counting time in the Illinois State Senate as equivalent to time in the US Senate?

That's like counting someone's time in Triple A towards their major league experience.

Hillary has had 8 years in the Senate, Obama is a freshman Senator.

Look at the list of non-incumbent nominees since 1952:
Obama - 4 years of experience
Kerry - 20 years of experience
Gore - 25 years of experience
Clinton - 16 years of experience
Dukakis - 10 years of experience
Mondale - 18 years of experience
Carter - 4 years of experience
McGovern - 14 years of experience
Kennedy - 14 years of experience
Stevenson - 4 years of experience

As you can see, the two candidates with less than 10 years of experience were both Governors, and not Senators.

Obama just doesn't have the experience needed for the job. John McCain does.

Weaver95: She doesn't get to count her time as First Lady as 'time in service'.

She was a trusted adviser to the President. She knows what the job is like. It's not like hiring a woman to be a truck driver because her husband did it. She was beside him as he did the job and she knows what the job demands.

Hillary obviously knows Obama isn't up to the job.

Weaver95: The few times she's actually gotten to run anything, she's turned out to be an intolerant paranoid control freak.

Any proof there, Ken Starr supporter?

Unright: Hillary has endorsed Obama. Why don't you?

Everything about the 'endorsement' does not come off as any sort of binding advice. Hillary made the 'endorsement' at a time when nobody would really notice it. Her husband has not endorsed Obama. She repeatedly said that Obama should be helped to win, because obviously he can't just pull it off without her.

Hillary endorsed Obama because she wants to be the nominee in 2012.

GAT_00: Ok, I have a question. How exactly was the Barack Obama conducting a sexist campaign and how was the media sexist in covering him vs. Hillary? I honestly never saw sexism and I remain confused by that statement.

Some of the pundits (mostly Fox News) were outright sexist in their coverage. Some were only midly so. I'll grant them that.

But despite what Democrats for McCain might try to intone, Obama does not control the media.

doyner: But she DID like her grandmother's

That was a new link with a woman who doesnt like cheesecake. Here's more - straight out of compton google.

I think people find it shocking that I don't like cheesecake. But that's the plain truth -- I just don't!

I don't like cheesecake.

doyner: I know, I'm splitting hairs Sometimes thats important

doyner: female genome

People like sweets perhaps? Biological explanation separate from cultural? (also, see how much we understand about said genome)

/somehow I'm thinking about dances with wolves, where the sioux are really enjoying sugar for the first time.

Unright: GAT_00: Ok, I have a question. How exactly was the Barack Obama conducting a sexist campaign and how was the media sexist in covering him vs. Hillary? I honestly never saw sexism and I remain confused by that statement.

Some of the pundits (mostly Fox News) were outright sexist in their coverage. Some were only midly so. I'll grant them that.

But despite what Democrats for McCain might try to intone, Obama does not control the media.

Yet. Its all part of the plan.

McCainDemocrat:

(snip)

If Hillary was the better candidate, she would have won. Fact is that she tried to be a racist and still couldn't pull off the nomination. I'm sorry your pathetic excuse for a candidate lost, but it's time to move on.

McCainDemocrat: Everything about the 'endorsement' does not come off as any sort of binding advice. Hillary made the 'endorsement' at a time when nobody would really notice it.

Nobody would notice? Google News shows 8,888 news articles related to Clinton endorsing Obama. Just about every newspaper of record (domestic and foreign) had the news on their front page. All the TV news channels devoted just about a whole day to the coverage. How do you figure that Hillary was timing it so that nobody would notice?

Also: What is your source for Hillary's thoughts?

McCainDemocrat: Roe v. Wade has been overturned, by the Casey v. Planned Parenthood decision.

No it didn't. Anthony Kennedy sided with O'Connor and Souter to keep a plurality and uphold Roe v. Wade. Your assertion is just ridiculous. If Roe v. Wade had been overturned, wouldn't there have been some repercussions?

McCainDemocrat: But Pre-Roe America still had legal abortion. What's wrong with giving the abortion issue back to the states?

That's an entirely different issue. I was merely responding to your claim that McCain is pro-choice. If you read the link I gave you from his own site, he clearly isn't. For example "..the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion".

Again, pretending to know what you're talking about only makes you look like a jackass.

/Not sure why I'm feeding the troll
//Done for now

clancifer: Fact is that she tried to be a racist

And how was she racist?

Unright: How do you figure that Hillary was timing it so that nobody would notice?

You make endorsements in the late afternoon/evening to get media coverage and public notice. Who's really watching much TV on a Saturday Afternoon?

Remember, she switched from a Friday evening to a Saturday afternoon.

Anyways, newspaper subscriptions are down to record lows. The dead tree dailies are wiltering away and people are seeking news from other sources.

Unright: What is your source for Hillary's thoughts?

I've known of her for a long time, and I know that she would love to be the nominee in 2012. As she likely will be when Obama loses.

Party Boy: doyner: But she DID like her grandmother's

That was a new link with a woman who doesnt like cheesecake. Here's more - straight out of compton google.

I think people find it shocking that I don't like cheesecake. But that's the plain truth -- I just don't!

I don't like cheesecake.

doyner: I know, I'm splitting hairs Sometimes thats important

doyner: female genome

People like sweets perhaps? Biological explanation separate from cultural? (also, see how much we understand about said genome)

/somehow I'm thinking about dances with wolves, where the sioux are really enjoying sugar for the first time.

Well, obviously you believe anything you read on the internets. You take these "women" at her word. Hell, you don't even have proof that they actually are women writing these blogs.

So answer me this. Have YOU ever met a woman that didn't like cheesecake? Well have you? HAVE YOU?

McCainDemocrat: The thrill of Obama is gone. He's the Black McGovern.

I'll bet you're one of those people who get pissed off at the idea of Luke Cage as a Marvel big-wig.

McCainDemocrat: The fact is that Obama kept quiet about the sexism and allowed for it to happen.

No amount of fearmongering will solve that. And let's be honest, McCain is pro-choice. He has said some things to lean more towards the pro-life side. But he doesn't believe in a ban on Abortion.

Obama failed when it comes to unity. He failed when he refused to denounce the sexism. He failed when he stayed in an anti-American church for 20 years.

The thrill of Obama is gone. He's the Black McGovern.

If you're a Female Clinton voter going to Obama, you're sending the message that sexism is OK.

SCOTUS is the issue. But you already know this. I'm just playing along with your fail, McCainOperativeInDisguise.